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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #1400 on: December 12, 2013, 10:46:21 AM »
Maybe I missed this, but why does being born in the us entitle you to healthcare, even if you contribute nothing to society?

Because this is America and we're the greatest country on earth.

And how long do you think that's going to last if we keep expanding the welfare state? We're already 17 going on 18 trillion in debt and people are dropping out of the workforce at a record rate.
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #1401 on: December 12, 2013, 10:50:04 AM »
Maybe I missed this, but why does being born in the us entitle you to healthcare, even if you contribute nothing to society?

Because this is America and we're the greatest country on earth.

And how long do you think that's going to last if we keep expanding the welfare state? We're already 17 going on 18 trillion in debt and people are dropping out of the workforce at a record rate.

careful, libtards really hate this one

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #1402 on: December 12, 2013, 01:51:32 PM »
Oh seven...I wish I were surprised. 

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« Reply #1403 on: December 12, 2013, 01:55:33 PM »
Latest enrollment numbers are in. Pravda proudly announces that "Today, just two months into the open enrollment, nearly 1.2 million Americans have selected a plan or have been determined eligible for Medicaid or CHIP." :lol: Hmmm, wonder what the breakdown is? According to USA Today: about 365k people have signed up for Obamacare coverage, and a little 800k have signed up for Medicaid. I wonder if we could have just spent a few hundred million on an enrollment campaign to load up the already unsustainable Medicaid program rather than trashing the entire insurance industry?

Ok, so we're not exactly on pace to meet the CBO's sustainability goal of 7 million Obamacare enrollees. Not to worry though, as Eztard Klein helpfully (and accurately) points out, it's not the total number of enrollees that really matters, but the proportion of healthy versus sick enrollees. I wonder what that number is? We don't know this critical information, because the government doesn't ask! But common sense would dictate the breakdown as follows:
- Older and/or sicker enrollees: a crap ton%
- Young and/or healthy enrollees: not so much%

Sorry, gotta make a correction. Turns out, even the numbers stated above are exaggerated. http://www.propublica.org/article/payment-due-the-obamacare-deadline-no-one-is-talking-about
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #1404 on: December 12, 2013, 06:32:58 PM »
Maybe I missed this, but why does being born in the us entitle you to healthcare, even if you contribute nothing to society?

Because this is America and we're the greatest country on earth.

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« Reply #1405 on: December 13, 2013, 03:11:37 PM »
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/barack-obama-gop-republicans-delay-obamacare-affordable-care-act-101108.html

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Obamacare: One punt after another

Why do Republicans even bother trying to delay Obamacare? President Barack Obama’s doing it all by himself.

On Thursday, the Obama administration gave customers permission to pay their premiums as late as Dec. 31 for coverage that starts Jan. 1, and officially gave customers an extra week — until Dec. 23 — to sign up for January coverage. The move was just the latest in a long list of extensions, delays and punts that have plagued the health care law.

Sure, Obama’s not doing the things Republicans have suggested — push off centerpieces like the individual mandate, or even put the entire law on hold for a year. But piece by piece, the Obama administration keeps giving itself extensions on smaller parts of the law, because there’s always some piece that isn’t quite ready.

It’s an attempt to put out fires — but it’s also a painful admission that, yes, there are fires.

The administration is also extending a critical program — the temporary high-risk pool for people with pre-existing conditions — through the end of January, to make sure none of them suddenly lose their health coverage because they can’t sign up for new Obamacare insurance by Jan. 1.

That’s after it postponed the employer coverage requirements for a year, delayed the online enrollment for the federal health insurance exchanges for small businesses, and told health insurers they can extend people’s coverage for an extra year — a last-minute attempt to un-cancel millions of canceled policies. It also delayed the Spanish-language website, even though Hispanics are a large proportion of the uninsured population. It even postponed next year’s enrollment period, pushing it conveniently past the November elections.

:pbj: republic. Hey, the law is named after the guy, so I guess the law is whatever, and whenever, he wants it to be.
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #1406 on: December 14, 2013, 04:47:39 AM »
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #1407 on: December 15, 2013, 08:02:46 AM »
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #1408 on: December 15, 2013, 09:21:28 AM »
What was the last thing more exaggerated and overblown than B.O.'s intelligence?
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« Reply #1409 on: December 15, 2013, 10:33:53 AM »
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/barack-obama-gop-republicans-delay-obamacare-affordable-care-act-101108.html

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Obamacare: One punt after another

Why do Republicans even bother trying to delay Obamacare? President Barack Obama’s doing it all by himself.

On Thursday, the Obama administration gave customers permission to pay their premiums as late as Dec. 31 for coverage that starts Jan. 1, and officially gave customers an extra week — until Dec. 23 — to sign up for January coverage. The move was just the latest in a long list of extensions, delays and punts that have plagued the health care law.

Sure, Obama’s not doing the things Republicans have suggested — push off centerpieces like the individual mandate, or even put the entire law on hold for a year. But piece by piece, the Obama administration keeps giving itself extensions on smaller parts of the law, because there’s always some piece that isn’t quite ready.

It’s an attempt to put out fires — but it’s also a painful admission that, yes, there are fires.

The administration is also extending a critical program — the temporary high-risk pool for people with pre-existing conditions — through the end of January, to make sure none of them suddenly lose their health coverage because they can’t sign up for new Obamacare insurance by Jan. 1.

That’s after it postponed the employer coverage requirements for a year, delayed the online enrollment for the federal health insurance exchanges for small businesses, and told health insurers they can extend people’s coverage for an extra year — a last-minute attempt to un-cancel millions of canceled policies. It also delayed the Spanish-language website, even though Hispanics are a large proportion of the uninsured population. It even postponed next year’s enrollment period, pushing it conveniently past the November elections.

:pbj: republic. Hey, the law is named after the guy, so I guess the law is whatever, and whenever, he wants it to be.

The law is not named after the guy

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #1410 on: December 15, 2013, 01:15:30 PM »


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I don’t think I’m stupid enough to go around saying this is going to be like shopping on Amazon or Travelocity a week before the website opens if I thought that it wasn’t going to work.  Clearly we, and I, did not have enough awareness about the problems with the website.
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« Reply #1411 on: December 15, 2013, 02:58:53 PM »

Welp, yet another lie and complete failure on the part of the chief executive.

Remember when the govt was shut down over the republicans wanting to delay the individual mandate for a year?  Good thing the dems dug in on that.
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #1412 on: December 17, 2013, 09:27:29 AM »


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I don’t think I’m stupid enough to go around saying this is going to be like shopping on Amazon or Travelocity a week before the website opens if I thought that it wasn’t going to work.  Clearly we, and I, did not have enough awareness about the problems with the website.

It's funny that you provided this additional context as if it actually makes him look any more competent.  :thumbs:
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« Reply #1413 on: December 17, 2013, 09:34:01 AM »
The problem with Obamacare isn't just that it creates winners and losers by government fiat, as opposed to the free market, but that it creates a lot more losers than winners. Currently, the number of policy cancellations outnumbers new enrollees by something like 10-1. Hey, that's just what socialism do! Politico reports on the next Obamacare shock: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/next-obamacare-crisis-small-business-costs-101212.html

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Think the canceled health policies hurt the Obamacare cause? There’s another political time bomb lurking that could explode not too long before next year’s elections: rate hikes for small businesses.

Like the canceled individual health plans, it’s another example of a tradeoff that health care experts have long known about, as the new rules for health insurance prices create winners and losers. But most Americans won’t become aware of it until some small business employees learn that their premiums are going up because of a law called — oops — the Affordable Care Act.

Some will learn the opposite, that their premiums are going down because of the law. But as we saw with the canceled individual health plans, it’s the losers who will get most of the attention.

And the timing will be terrible for Democrats: A lot of those small businesses will have to start dealing with their new prices in October — just in time for Republicans to make it an issue in their mid-term election campaigns.

There are no widely accepted estimates for how many people could be affected, but even if it’s a relative minority, it won’t matter politically — because Democrats will once again have to defend the administration’s claims that the majority of Americans who have employer-based insurance won’t be affected by Obamacare.

“The biggest shocker for the small business community is going to hit in October, which is interesting because it will be prime time for the election,” said Jessica Waltman, a top lobbyist at the National Association of Health Underwriters.

Here’s why: Next year, small business health plans — generally those that cover less than 100 workers — will have to comply with a wide range of new rules, particularly the ones that say employees can’t be charged more if they have health problems. Their premiums will only vary based on their age, whether they have individual or family coverage, what part of the country they live in, and whether they use tobacco — and older workers won’t be able to be charged more than three times as much as younger ones.

Sounds like Obama needs to make some more unilateral changes to his signature "accomplishment."
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« Reply #1414 on: December 18, 2013, 08:25:55 AM »
Seems like things are running much better.

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« Reply #1415 on: December 18, 2013, 08:33:03 AM »
Seems like things are running much better.

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Speaking of which, are you PajamaBoy? (This is real...)

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« Reply #1416 on: December 18, 2013, 11:18:36 AM »
Lowest approval ratings for a president since Richard Nixon.


wut. Pretty sure W was in the 20's

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« Reply #1417 on: December 18, 2013, 11:46:52 AM »
Lowest approval ratings for a president since Richard Nixon.


wut. Pretty sure W was in the 20's

That didn't occur until later in his term. Obama will probably settle somewhere in the mid-30s - there's just too many kool-aid drinkers among his base to let him sink lower than that.
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« Reply #1418 on: December 18, 2013, 02:20:28 PM »




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« Reply #1419 on: December 18, 2013, 04:43:46 PM »
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« Reply #1420 on: December 18, 2013, 04:46:35 PM »
oh man, that pajama guy is a total queer right guys!?!  just a peter puffin gayhawk, you can tell from his effeminate glasses!  what a huge fudge packing homo.  jeez, i just can't stop laughing at how big of a man of taste and distinction that guy is.  this is too hilarious!
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« Reply #1421 on: December 18, 2013, 05:23:31 PM »
Those pajamas look super cozy. I would love to lounge around and drink coffee and talk about health care in them.

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« Reply #1422 on: December 18, 2013, 05:25:20 PM »
Reminds me of that episode of Scrubs when JD wore his pajamas to a bar.

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« Reply #1423 on: December 18, 2013, 08:55:50 PM »
oh man, that pajama guy is a total queer right guys!?!  just a peter puffin gayhawk, you can tell from his effeminate glasses!  what a huge fudge packing homo.  jeez, i just can't stop laughing at how big of a man of taste and distinction that guy is.  this is too hilarious!

Um... ok.

But on a related note, you know who looks even more like Rachel Maddow than PajamaBoy? Fellow MSNBC host Chris Hayes. It's a little bizarre, actually. I'm not sure what's more embarrassing - that Hayes looks so much like Maddow, or vice versa. Also funny how you can just look at people like this and make a pretty safe assumption: definitely a Libtard.

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« Reply #1424 on: December 18, 2013, 09:04:51 PM »



Also funny how you can just look at people like this and make a pretty safe assumption: definitely a gay hating, racist neocon.
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