Fitz and the Manhattan Townie Media hate #life. Why? a discussion within

[steve dave]

Dear Sams, don't ever ever talk to fitz or those tards.  They ask for a comment, just say "watch the tape."  And then swag on.

I need the most elite of EMAWs to help me remember Bill Walker's quote about Dustin Dow that he told reporters before he's answer their questions.

it was something like, "Dow's gotta go" or something.

[Trim]

Originally posted by linncat:

Well...'race' had nothing to do with any of my observations and opinions...but if that is all you can deduct from that what can I say. Snyder has clearly stated this season that the backup will depend on the 'situation', so far the 'situation' to bring another QB in has been to run the ball and clock in the 4th Q. Johnson has been praised for his understanding of the playbook and the ability to manage the game. That is just where the two of them are opening this season. That by no means that Sams will not become more versed in the entirity of the offense and managing the game. This thread started off with others stating Sams should clearly be the heir apparent because he can run well and looks good throwing the ball in warm-ups. My points were that there is far more to it than physical attributes and that Snyder has proven over the years, particularly on his return, that game management is far more important than anything else. That is all,no alterior motives

First of all I had to switch to thread view to know who you were talking to, is it that hard to quote a post?  Why did you reply to my post and start with this sentence "Well...'race' had nothing to do with any of my observations and opinions...but if that is all you can deduct from that what can I say."  Was this an issue reading or a guilty conscience?  I didn't mention race. 

As to your first couple of points, have you paid attention to LHC Bill Snyder throughout the years?  He has never been forthright about his quarterbacks.  He's always played games with the depth chart in the spring and early practices, he did the same thing with Klein.  I haven't seen a quote of Snyder praising Johnson for his understanding of the playbook, I'll take your word for that.  Tell me though, what does Johnson's understanding of the playbook have to do with Sams'?  I'll answer for you, IT DOESN'T, you and everyone that shares this line of thinking made an assumption and for the life of me I can't figure out what this assumption is based on.  Of course he's going to get better versed with the offense, he's a redshirt freshman.  I know this is outside of the realm of possibility for many, but Colin Klein has become better versed in the offense too, he wasn't born with the instant ability to have a total grasp of all football offensive concepts.

This thread started off with others stating Sams should clearly be the heir apparent because he can run well and looks good throwing the ball in warm-ups. My points were that there is far more to it than physical attributes and that Snyder has proven over the years, particularly on his return, that game management is far more important than anything else.

I'll address this absurd talking point after saxman's quote, he already destroyed the talking point but I'm going to supplement his post 

Originally posted by saxman:
So who is the quarterback going to be, an average ability guy who knows the playbook and does all the little things best? Please, we've had a few guys, usually walkons, who were raved about in this regard and who ended up not seeing the field or if they did the offense stalled. If there was ever a more overrated axiom than the qb needs to be a mental wizard I have yet to see it, at least pertaining to our offense.


Rather, give me someone who runs fast with scintillating athleticism and has a good arm and we will have our best player, our history should prove that if anything. That Collin happens to be a playbook scholar is a plus but he also has outstanding ability and instincts in the physical part of the game - that is why he is so good. 

This post was edited on 9/12 11:44 PM by saxman
                               
This post was edited on 9/12 11:45 PM by saxman

Colin Klein won the starting job because physically he was the best QB on the roster.  All of the KSU starting quarterbacks under Snyder & Prince started because they were physically the best QB available.  Colin Klein ran the football 317 times last year, how much of the playbook did he have to know to have 317 rushes?  I'm willing to bet that Lamur knew enough of the playbook to run the ball 317 times.  I am not calling you racist, I don't know you & you are far from the only person who uses this as a talking point, you just happen to be the poor soul who brought me to my breaking point.  That being said, historically this has only been a talking point when a white starter at KSU has a black back up.  Think I'm lying, I'll prove it.

When Carson Coffman beat out Klein in 2010 did anyone talk about Coffman winning the job because Klein didn't know the playbook?  Nope, the talking point was that this kid named Lamur could be the starter but he can't figure out the the playbook.  Lamur was the damn 3rd string QB.

When Coffman lost his starting gig to Grant Gregory did anyone say Coffman lost his job because he couldn't figure out the offense?

Was Dylan Meier's grasp of the offense questioned when he lost his starting job to Josh Freeman?

When we had the 2 year platoon of Alan Webb, Meier, and Alan Evridge who was the dummy who didn't know the playbook?  Guess what, it was Webb.

Who on this site questioned Jeff Schwin or Marc Dunn's playbook knowledge when they couldn't beat out Ell Roberson?

Despite this, there will be some/that will say I'm wrong, call me a racist, but I'm quite confident that I nailed this one (I just popped my collar & brushed my shoulders off).  And of course most will carry on this absurd charade of continually questioning the brain power of the black back up.  Colin Klein is starting because he had 40 damn touchdowns.  Sams will start next year because he may end up with 10 touchdowns this season as a backup quarterback.  Name one game manager that Snyder named the starter over the more physically gifted player and I'll take this all back.  Just one.

[MakeItRain]

Dear Sams, don't ever ever talk to fitz or those tards.  They ask for a comment, just say "watch the tape."  And then swag on.

I need the most elite of EMAWs to help me remember Bill Walker's quote about Dustin Dow that he told reporters before he's answer their questions.

it was something like, "Dow's gotta go" or something.

yep, "Dow gotta go"

[Trim]

Fatboy and the wedding DJamer gotta go.

[steve dave]

Fatboy and the wedding DJamer gotta go.

 

[JohnCurrie is Weird/Gross]

Here is a typical row in BSFS:

     

[8manpick]

Get B.O.C. to post here if he doesn't already

[Trim]

Here is a typical row in BSFS:

     

I'm ready to contribute to a goEMAW BSFS suite purchase or anything that would, ironically, segregate us from the unwashed BSFS masses.

[mocat]

Get B.O.C. to post here if he doesn't already

Yeah that was a _FAN-like dismantling of a poster he just laid down there. 

[OK_Cat]

I have it on good authority that Fitz is extremely racist.

[Dugout DickStone]

BOC could move up pretty quick on this board.

[Dr Rick Daris]

yeah, i'm prettttttty sure boc is already here. and that gpc post was great. like i thought i knew where it was going to go, but it went above and beyond that.

[WillieWatanabe]

how did people respond to BOC's post? tia

[EllToPay]

I have it on good authority that Fitz is extremely racist.

i don't think you need to have this on good authority to know that.

[purplenutz]

Thank god powercat gameday cut ties with these idiots.

I quit listening to that crap head Fitz when he was pimping TULANE as a big 12 member

[MakeItRain]

how did people respond to BOC's post? tia

they haven't yet

[_33]

I didn't play football and I when I watch football I just watch where the ball goes, but why do people think Snyder has a super complex offense?  Maybe it's some stuff I can't see?  I mean, Klein ran it 300+ times last year.  He just caught it and took off running.  How hard is that?

[OK_Cat]

I have it on good authority that Fitz is extremely racist.

i don't think you need to have this on good authority to know that.

don't wanna get sued, bro.

[Trim]

I didn't play football and I when I watch football I just watch where the ball goes, but why do people think Snyder has a super complex offense?  Maybe it's some stuff I can't see?  I mean, Klein ran it 300+ times last year.  He just caught it and took off running.  How hard is that?

[kso_FAN]

I didn't play football and I when I watch football I just watch where the ball goes, but why do people think Snyder has a super complex offense?  Maybe it's some stuff I can't see?  I mean, Klein ran it 300+ times last year.  He just caught it and took off running.  How hard is that?

FWIW, in just the Miami game last week, on just Klein runs we used 6 different formations, and from 3 of those formations we had 4 different backfield alignments. Those Klein runs featured 7 distinct running plays; 3 different versions of the option, 3 different versions of power/lead, and 1 version of QB draw. I didn't include QB sneaks.

[_33]

I didn't play football and I when I watch football I just watch where the ball goes, but why do people think Snyder has a super complex offense?  Maybe it's some stuff I can't see?  I mean, Klein ran it 300+ times last year.  He just caught it and took off running.  How hard is that?

FWIW, in just the Miami game last week, on just Klein runs we used 6 different formations, and from 3 of those formations we had 4 different backfield alignments. Those Klein runs featured 7 distinct running plays; 3 different versions of the option, 3 different versions of power/lead, and 1 version of QB draw. I didn't include QB sneaks.

Damnit _FAN.

[kso_FAN]

I didn't play football and I when I watch football I just watch where the ball goes, but why do people think Snyder has a super complex offense?  Maybe it's some stuff I can't see?  I mean, Klein ran it 300+ times last year.  He just caught it and took off running.  How hard is that?

FWIW, in just the Miami game last week, on just Klein runs we used 6 different formations, and from 3 of those formations we had 4 different backfield alignments. Those Klein runs featured 7 distinct running plays; 3 different versions of the option, 3 different versions of power/lead, and 1 version of QB draw. I didn't include QB sneaks.

Damnit _FAN.

 

[_33]

I was 100% confident that I had a great talking point there.  Football is so stupid sometimes.

[kso_FAN]

I was 100% confident that I had a great talking point there.  Football is so stupid sometimes.

Well you are correct in this; football coaches are paranoid people who constantly over-analyze and often make things more complex/harder than they need to be.

[Panjandrum]

I didn't play football and I when I watch football I just watch where the ball goes, but why do people think Snyder has a super complex offense?  Maybe it's some stuff I can't see?  I mean, Klein ran it 300+ times last year.  He just caught it and took off running.  How hard is that?

FWIW, in just the Miami game last week, on just Klein runs we used 6 different formations, and from 3 of those formations we had 4 different backfield alignments. Those Klein runs featured 7 distinct running plays; 3 different versions of the option, 3 different versions of power/lead, and 1 version of QB draw. I didn't include QB sneaks.