Fitz and the Manhattan Townie Media hate #life. Why? a discussion within

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Podcast (Disagree) - D. Sams for Heisman   Reply
I respectfully (completely) disagree with the assesment that Sams is not our next QB which was made on the Podcast by Fitz and Wally.  Anyone who has watched him throw the ball on the sideline knows that he throws the ball better than anyone not named Michael Bishop. The guy has a rocket and throws a beautiful ball.  The question could be accuracy, but I don't remember Bishop or Roberson being tremendously accurate when they arrived on campus.

I choose to believe starting Bender as #2 guy in the Spring game was nothing more than a motivational tool used by Snyder.  If Tay truly thought he was the backup QB and would start next year there is no way he leaves.  I think the understanding that he would never unseat Sams may have been part of the reason that Tay left. 

I love Sams and think he will be on par with Bishop and Roberson.  He has better wheels than Freeman so a comparison is not even fair.  I also think Sams' arm is stronger than both Roberson and Freeman and is on par with Bishop.  He seems to have all the physical skills to be a fantastic QB the 3 years after CK leaves.   

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Re: Podcast (Disagree) - D. Sams for Heisman   Reply

Not exactly disagreeing with you, but where have you seen Sam's arm strength displayed? I would have a hard time believing that he has a stronger arm that Freeman. Not many guys in the NFL have a stronger arm than Freeman.


I hope you're right though...this discussion only makes me more excited to see him throw for the first time. Perhaps this weekend we will get to see a few pass plays from our second string.
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Re: Podcast (Disagree) - D. Sams for Heisman   Reply

Have not listened to the podcast and have not seen Sams throw on the sideline. I don't think that any of this is related to 'physical' tools. Playing QB in Snyder's offense requires 'mental' capabilities far more than physical. The ability to read defenses and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage are far more important than any phyical attributes. Look at the three starting QB's during Snyder's return, Grant Gregory, Coffman, and now Collin Klein. None of those three were or are considered to have 'great arms', Gregory was a decent runner, Klein a great one in many aspects. What they all had in common to varying degrees was the ability to run the offense and make sound decisions on the fly on the field.

If you recall Snyder made comments on more than one occasion that Sammy Lamur would see the field once he learned the playbook. Tuggle came in last year and everyone figured he would knock Klein out of the job in no time with his superioir 'athleticism'. Lamur recived some mop-up duty and Tuggle never saw the field as a QB and is now a LB. I think any issues with Sams are far more along these lines than anyhting to do with athletic ability. There is a reason that Snyder has stated that who is the back-up this year betwen Sams and Johnson is going to depend on the 'situation'. So far the 'situation' has been a huge lead in the 4th Q and thus running the ball and the clock is the goal. Sams fits that perfectly. If Klein gets knicked up early in a game and has to come out, heaven forbid, might well see Johnson out there who it appears Snyder has far more confidence in at this time to operate the entirity of the offense.
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Re: Podcast (Disagree) - D. Sams for Heisman   Reply

I agree that Sams is definiteley our next QB and that he can throw the ball well, but you just can't compare his throwing to Josh Freeman, El, or Bishop...yet. Freeman is a tremondous NFL QB and Bishop had one of the strongest arms I have seen. Lets just wait for evaluating the throwing till he actuall starts a game, but I think we can all agree he could be one of the best running QB's we have had here
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Re: Podcast (Disagree) - D. Sams for Heisman   Reply

M Bishop was a real nice guy. He was not exactly a scholar. he "my" have learned the playbook but not in any great detail. I seem to remember seeing him go right and the entire team went left (more than once). Botom line is that Snyer wants a total package. God runner good game managment and solid work ethic on and off the field. I do think he will field an inferior Q-back if he believs that Sams lacks a great deal in any one area. Sams may become a great QB but as our qb no way  his touchdown/carry ratio woul be the same. He does posess a gear that the other players did not seem to posess. Like someone hit his sister and took his cookis speed.
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Re: Podcast (Disagree) - D. Sams for Heisman   Reply
Not sure how you can't say that Sams is not our next QB at this point.  Kid has looked electric on the field so far.  Also, we had only seen Klein throw the ball a few times (could probably count them on your fingers) before he became our starting QB.  And when he became our QB, who is now getting Heisman talks, all he did was run the ball.
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Well, it looks like the tucks are split on this one after Fitz and Wally chimed in. The anti-Sams, tucks appear to be racist, so that's what I'm going with.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Can somebody explain to me how someone could be in better shape then LIFE. He is like the Freak in the the group of freak athletes 

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Can someone please make sure that goEMAW's guy Daniel Sams knows what kind of filth these people are spewing about him?

I'm listening on itunes but I'm sure there's a regular link on their site that could be tweeted to Sams with a note telling him where to start (and that while these people don't represent EMAW, just for the implication that they do, we're sorry).

[DQ12]

Can someone please make sure that goEMAW's guy Daniel Sams knows what kind of filth these people are spewing about him?

I disagree.  He loves K-State.  I don't want the adolescent board to disillusion him.

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Can someone please make sure that goEMAW's guy Daniel Sams knows what kind of filth these people are spewing about him?

I disagree.  He loves K-State.  I don't want the adolescent board to disillusion him.

Those guys aren't K-State.  We're K-State.  They're just some guys punching a clock here, for now.

[puniraptor]

Thank god powercat gameday cut ties with these idiots.

[Kat Kid]

Thank god powercat gameday cut ties with these idiots.

Its like, they could've cut ties because he's a total liability creep store weirdo.  Or because he's bad at his job.  Take your pick really.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Have not listened to the podcast and have not seen Sams throw on the sideline. I don't think that any of this is related to 'physical' tools. Playing QB in Snyder's offense requires 'mental' capabilities far more than physical. The ability to read defenses and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage are far more important than any phyical attributes. Look at the three starting QB's during Snyder's return, Grant Gregory, Coffman, and now Collin Klein. None of those three were or are considered to have 'great arms', Gregory was a decent runner, Klein a great one in many aspects. What they all had in common to varying degrees was the ability to run the offense and make sound decisions on the fly on the field.

If you recall Snyder made comments on more than one occasion that Sammy Lamur would see the field once he learned the playbook. Tuggle came in last year and everyone figured he would knock Klein out of the job in no time with his superioir 'athleticism'. Lamur recived some mop-up duty and Tuggle never saw the field as a QB and is now a LB. I think any issues with Sams are far more along these lines than anyhting to do with athletic ability. There is a reason that Snyder has stated that who is the back-up this year betwen Sams and Johnson is going to depend on the 'situation'. So far the 'situation' has been a huge lead in the 4th Q and thus running the ball and the clock is the goal. Sams fits that perfectly. If Klein gets knicked up early in a game and has to come out, heaven forbid, might well see Johnson out there who it appears Snyder has far more confidence in at this time to operate the entirity of the offense.

Lots of latent racism in this post.

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Have not listened to the podcast and have not seen Sams throw on the sideline. I don't think that any of this is related to 'physical' tools. Playing QB in Snyder's offense requires 'mental' capabilities far more than physical. The ability to read defenses and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage are far more important than any phyical attributes. Look at the three starting QB's during Snyder's return, Grant Gregory, Coffman, and now Collin Klein. None of those three were or are considered to have 'great arms', Gregory was a decent runner, Klein a great one in many aspects. What they all had in common to varying degrees was the ability to run the offense and make sound decisions on the fly on the field.

If you recall Snyder made comments on more than one occasion that Sammy Lamur would see the field once he learned the playbook. Tuggle came in last year and everyone figured he would knock Klein out of the job in no time with his superioir 'athleticism'. Lamur recived some mop-up duty and Tuggle never saw the field as a QB and is now a LB. I think any issues with Sams are far more along these lines than anyhting to do with athletic ability. There is a reason that Snyder has stated that who is the back-up this year betwen Sams and Johnson is going to depend on the 'situation'. So far the 'situation' has been a huge lead in the 4th Q and thus running the ball and the clock is the goal. Sams fits that perfectly. If Klein gets knicked up early in a game and has to come out, heaven forbid, might well see Johnson out there who it appears Snyder has far more confidence in at this time to operate the entirity of the offense.

Lots of latent racism in this post.

You guys wonder why I don't want to go into BSFS and mingle with 35K of these retardeds.

[XocolateThundarr]

Have not listened to the podcast and have not seen Sams throw on the sideline. I don't think that any of this is related to 'physical' tools. Playing QB in Snyder's offense requires 'mental' capabilities far more than physical. The ability to read defenses and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage are far more important than any phyical attributes. Look at the three starting QB's during Snyder's return, Grant Gregory, Coffman, and now Collin Klein. None of those three were or are considered to have 'great arms', Gregory was a decent runner, Klein a great one in many aspects. What they all had in common to varying degrees was the ability to run the offense and make sound decisions on the fly on the field.

If you recall Snyder made comments on more than one occasion that Sammy Lamur would see the field once he learned the playbook. Tuggle came in last year and everyone figured he would knock Klein out of the job in no time with his superioir 'athleticism'. Lamur recived some mop-up duty and Tuggle never saw the field as a QB and is now a LB. I think any issues with Sams are far more along these lines than anyhting to do with athletic ability. There is a reason that Snyder has stated that who is the back-up this year betwen Sams and Johnson is going to depend on the 'situation'. So far the 'situation' has been a huge lead in the 4th Q and thus running the ball and the clock is the goal. Sams fits that perfectly. If Klein gets knicked up early in a game and has to come out, heaven forbid, might well see Johnson out there who it appears Snyder has far more confidence in at this time to operate the entirity of the offense.

Lots of latent racism in this post.

You guys wonder why I don't want to go into BSFS and mingle with 35K of these retardeds.

It usually takes lots of booze.   

[puniraptor]

Have not listened to the podcast and have not seen Sams throw on the sideline. I don't think that any of this is related to 'physical' tools. Playing QB in Snyder's offense requires 'mental' capabilities far more than physical. The ability to read defenses and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage are far more important than any phyical attributes. Look at the three starting QB's during Snyder's return, Grant Gregory, Coffman, and now Collin Klein. None of those three were or are considered to have 'great arms', Gregory was a decent runner, Klein a great one in many aspects. What they all had in common to varying degrees was the ability to run the offense and make sound decisions on the fly on the field.

If you recall Snyder made comments on more than one occasion that Sammy Lamur would see the field once he learned the playbook. Tuggle came in last year and everyone figured he would knock Klein out of the job in no time with his superioir 'athleticism'. Lamur recived some mop-up duty and Tuggle never saw the field as a QB and is now a LB. I think any issues with Sams are far more along these lines than anyhting to do with athletic ability. There is a reason that Snyder has stated that who is the back-up this year betwen Sams and Johnson is going to depend on the 'situation'. So far the 'situation' has been a huge lead in the 4th Q and thus running the ball and the clock is the goal. Sams fits that perfectly. If Klein gets knicked up early in a game and has to come out, heaven forbid, might well see Johnson out there who it appears Snyder has far more confidence in at this time to operate the entirity of the offense.

Lots of latent racism in this post.

And total horseshit wrongness.

[Cartierfor3]

Has anyone else been really proud of BITB?  Been pumping greatness of #Life all week. 

[SdK]

That racist posts fits in perfectly with what some people were saying at the game last week. Sams is in there tearing crap up, the S.J. comes in and they are all. THIS is the guy that REALLY knows the offense. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Can someone please make sure that goEMAW's guy Daniel Sams knows what kind of filth these people are spewing about him?

I disagree.  He loves K-State.  I don't want the adolescent board to disillusion him.

Even the adolescent board loves him for the most part, though. It's just the assholes who fleece our stupid fans for a crappy recruiting service who don't think he's good.

[Rage Against the McKee]

That racist posts fits in perfectly with what some people were saying at the game last week. Sams is in there tearing crap up, the S.J. comes in and they are all. THIS is the guy that REALLY knows the offense. 

Did you punch those racists in the face for saying that?

[puniraptor]

That racist posts fits in perfectly with what some people were saying at the game last week. Sams is in there tearing crap up, the S.J. comes in and they are all. THIS is the guy that REALLY knows the offense. 

Did you punch those racists in the face for saying that?

Me and everyone around me got a good laugh about how Snyder acted like samjohn and sams were tied for #2.

[AbeFroman]

Just wait until Fitz goes in full mudslinging mode (probably around June of '13) and pays Skeetbag to feed his Dad stories about #life.

[p1k3]

Thank god powercat gameday cut ties with these idiots.

Its like, they could've cut ties because he's a total liability creep store weirdo.  Or because he's bad at his job.  Take your pick really.

Well, both obviously

[SdK]

That racist posts fits in perfectly with what some people were saying at the game last week. Sams is in there tearing crap up, the S.J. comes in and they are all. THIS is the guy that REALLY knows the offense. 

Did you punch those racists in the face for saying that?

No. I was in seats that weren't mine and with a young lady. Didn't want to make a scene for the people who's season tickets I was using or appear a hot head to my companion. I mean mugged though 

[chum1]

Fitz never knows anything.  Never has.  He speculates to the best of his limited ability.  DJamer Wally is just learning this trade from the master.  And most of the rest of them buy into what Fitz says because they're under the false impression that he's as ITK as he tells them he is.

[Gooch]

Just when I think I could not hate Fitz any more than I already do he goes and pulls this crap.

[yoga-like_abana]

Can someone please make sure that goEMAW's guy Daniel Sams knows what kind of filth these people are spewing about him?

I disagree.  He loves K-State.  I don't want the adolescent board to disillusion him.

Those guys aren't K-State.  We're K-State.  They're just some guys punching a clock here, for now.

solid long term poster 

[ksupamplemousse]

Even the respects on 810 are gushing over #Life at QB. The reason Sams isn't throwing in games is because we're up a million points when he gets in the game. LHC Bill Snyder is a gentleman and a scholar, he's not gonna run up the score (intentionally, he can't stop #Life from shredding defenses with his legs.) The powerespect crew usually have some justification for what they crap out of their mouth, but this one is indefensible. #Life for life, bitch 

[michigancat]

Can someone please make sure that goEMAW's guy Daniel Sams knows what kind of filth these people are spewing about him?

I hope this leads to a moment similar to the one where Smash decides he's going to play and when he gets on the bus Mac starts to say "Son..." and Smash interrupts him and says, "I know what you are. This don't change nothin'". And then we go win state. (I HOPE, NO SPOILERS PLEASE!!!!)

[Saulbadguy]

I'm pretty sure they are attempting to antagonize us.