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Re: Record Gas Prices . .
« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2012, 12:38:45 PM »
The flaw in that argument is that this is already happening, so why should prices be higher than they are now?

Sorry, I don't necessarily agree that gas prices should be higher now.  Just explaining how anticipation of future higher (or lower) prices affect the current price.  Without anticipation and futures markets, prices right now would be different.  The futures market has brought the price for the overall market to where it is today.   
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Re: Record Gas Prices . .
« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2012, 12:39:04 PM »
Oh, I get it, now that a DEMOCRAT is in the Whitehouse the economy is "complex", gas prices are "market driven" . . . the various factors driving the economy are intricate and expansive. 

LOL

Read my first post. NEITHER party can do a GD thing about the vast majority of what controls Gas Prices. Just because your party is full of retards that BELIEVE Newt and his cronies when they say, "If I am elected I'll have gas @ $2.50 overnight," DOESN'T MAKE A WORD OF IT rough ridin' TRUE.

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« Reply #52 on: September 06, 2012, 12:41:20 PM »
Oh, I get it, now that a DEMOCRAT is in the Whitehouse the economy is "complex", gas prices are "market driven" . . . the various factors driving the economy are intricate and expansive. 

LOL

Read my first post. NEITHER party can do a GD thing about the vast majority of what controls Gas Prices. Just because your party is full of retards that BELIEVE Newt and his cronies when they say, "If I am elected I'll have gas @ $2.50 overnight," DOESN'T MAKE A WORD OF IT rough ridin' TRUE.

You probably voted for the kid in Elementary School that ran for class president on the platform of having Coke in the water fountains
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You're living way to far in reality, and no where close to political reality.


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« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2012, 12:47:01 PM »
Oh, I get it, now that a DEMOCRAT is in the Whitehouse the economy is "complex", gas prices are "market driven" . . . the various factors driving the economy are intricate and expansive. 

LOL

Read my first post. NEITHER party can do a GD thing about the vast majority of what controls Gas Prices. Just because your party is full of retards that BELIEVE Newt and his cronies when they say, "If I am elected I'll have gas @ $2.50 overnight," DOESN'T MAKE A WORD OF IT rough ridin' TRUE.

You probably voted for the kid in Elementary School that ran for class president on the platform of having Coke in the water fountains
:facepalm:

You're living way to far in reality, and no where close to political reality.

It is a side effect of Liberalism

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Re: Record Gas Prices . .
« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2012, 12:54:43 PM »
Oh, I get it, now that a DEMOCRAT is in the Whitehouse the economy is "complex", gas prices are "market driven" . . . the various factors driving the economy are intricate and expansive. 

LOL

Read my first post. NEITHER party can do a GD thing about the vast majority of what controls Gas Prices. Just because your party is full of retards that BELIEVE Newt and his cronies when they say, "If I am elected I'll have gas @ $2.50 overnight," DOESN'T MAKE A WORD OF IT rough ridin' TRUE.

You probably voted for the kid in Elementary School that ran for class president on the platform of having Coke in the water fountains
:facepalm:

You're living way to far in reality, and no where close to political reality.

It is a side effect of Liberalism

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Re: Record Gas Prices . .
« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2012, 12:56:07 PM »
So basically, having a commodity that made transportation cheap, fast and affordable for everyone fundamentally changed our society in terms of where we live, work, and get our basic necessities. Now that it is obvious this commodity won't last forever, it is becoming less affordable, and or way of living is becoming untenable for the poorer parts off society, and may become so for everyone. Color me shocked.

It's not an Obama problem, it's not a Republican problem, it's a society problem.
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« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2012, 12:58:06 PM »
So basically, having a commodity that made transportation cheap, fast and affordable for everyone fundamentally changed our society in terms of where we live, work, and get our basic necessities. Now that it is obvious this commodity won't last forever, it is becoming less affordable, and or way of living is becoming untenable for the poorer parts off society, and may become so for everyone. Color me shocked.

It's not an Obama problem, it's not a Republican problem, it's a society problem.

But 4 or 5 years ago, it was clearly a Republican/Bush problem according to the people marching on the street corners in the fake peace movement and Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats standing on the floors of congress.

What changed . . . Oh yeah. . . A democrat was elected president.   Now it's a complex societal problem.

Check . . . Got it.


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« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2012, 01:07:41 PM »
So basically, having a commodity that made transportation cheap, fast and affordable for everyone fundamentally changed our society in terms of where we live, work, and get our basic necessities. Now that it is obvious this commodity won't last forever, it is becoming less affordable, and or way of living is becoming untenable for the poorer parts off society, and may become so for everyone. Color me shocked.

It's not an Obama problem, it's not a Republican problem, it's a society problem.

But 4 or 5 years ago, it was clearly a Republican/Bush problem according to the people marching on the street corners in the fake peace movement and Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats standing on the floors of congress.

What changed . . . Oh yeah. . . A democrat was elected president.   Now it's a complex societal problem.

Check . . . Got it.
Just because an issue got politicized doesn't mean it should have been. T's and P's dax, sorry people haven't crushed Obama on gas prices so that GW and your repubs could get your mental reparations.
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« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2012, 01:14:27 PM »
So basically, having a commodity that made transportation cheap, fast and affordable for everyone fundamentally changed our society in terms of where we live, work, and get our basic necessities. Now that it is obvious this commodity won't last forever, it is becoming less affordable, and or way of living is becoming untenable for the poorer parts off society, and may become so for everyone. Color me shocked.

It's not an Obama problem, it's not a Republican problem, it's a society problem.

But 4 or 5 years ago, it was clearly a Republican/Bush problem according to the people marching on the street corners in the fake peace movement and Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats standing on the floors of congress.

What changed . . . Oh yeah. . . A democrat was elected president.   Now it's a complex societal problem.

Check . . . Got it.
Just because an issue got politicized doesn't mean it should have been. T's and P's dax, sorry people haven't crushed Obama on gas prices so that GW and your repubs could get your mental reparations.

I don't need T and P's . . . I just enjoy the living hypocrisy of the left.


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Re: Record Gas Prices . .
« Reply #59 on: September 06, 2012, 01:16:41 PM »
what I like most about dax is that he isn't anti-left: he's just anti-hypocrisy. And that I can admire.

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« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2012, 01:18:27 PM »
what I like most about dax is that he isn't anti-left: he's just anti-hypocrisy. And that I can admire.

If only he wasn't being so hypocritical in his criticism

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« Reply #61 on: September 06, 2012, 01:24:05 PM »
what I like most about dax is that he isn't anti-left: he's just anti-hypocrisy. And that I can admire.

Both side are hypocrites on many issues.   I just find the left to be a lot more comical, the left does what I call "explainer mode" much better than the right, which is is a good attribute to have in the political arena.   I think the left can shift into "Nathan Thurm" mode much better than the right as well.

EMAWesome . . . what do you want me to slam Republicans on, I'll be happy to do it.   One little reminder though, Romney isn't president yet, and may never be president.   
 

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Re: Record Gas Prices . .
« Reply #62 on: September 06, 2012, 01:26:34 PM »
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« Reply #63 on: September 06, 2012, 01:28:51 PM »
Dax is going to need a bigger net at the rate this is going.
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« Reply #64 on: September 06, 2012, 01:29:54 PM »
what I like most about dax is that he isn't anti-left: he's just anti-hypocrisy. And that I can admire.

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« Reply #65 on: September 06, 2012, 01:31:28 PM »
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Re: Record Gas Prices . .
« Reply #66 on: September 06, 2012, 01:34:01 PM »
look at how serious Nancy was . . . she was gonna fix those failed policies!!

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« Reply #67 on: September 06, 2012, 01:36:28 PM »
Hey San Francisco area Costco Customers . . . $3.99 a gallon, and NO congressional investigations by Nancy Pelosi.


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« Reply #68 on: September 06, 2012, 01:38:04 PM »
Inflation

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« Reply #70 on: September 06, 2012, 02:32:13 PM »
what I like most about dax is that he isn't anti-left: he's just anti-hypocrisy. And that I can admire.

Both side are hypocrites on many issues.   I just find the left to be a lot more comical, the left does what I call "explainer mode" much better than the right, which is is a good attribute to have in the political arena.   I think the left can shift into "Nathan Thurm" mode much better than the right as well.

EMAWesome . . . what do you want me to slam Republicans on, I'll be happy to do it.   One little reminder though, Romney isn't president yet, and may never be president.

The only thing worthy of slamming the Right on is their obstructionist activities (well, that and their antiquated views on abortion, gay marriage, civil rights, well crap, just pick one I reckon this list could get long). Having the Senate Minority leader come out and say, the number one goal of the Repubs in Congress is to make this presidency a failure is borderline treason. If the Left had publicly said something of that ilk there would have been effigies burning all over red states, and would have been brandished (even more than they HAVE been) as Un-patriotic. The fact that the right is doing it is somehow viewed AS patriotic.

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Re: Record Gas Prices . .
« Reply #71 on: September 06, 2012, 02:48:59 PM »
Has anyone debated the Hawkish stance of some of our politicians have taken against Iran has driven up oil speculation and prices?

Thank you, and I'll listen off of the air.

* As an aside, as long as we continue to threaten war on every Arab state, we're going to see gas prices go up.  It's the nature of speculation.  Could we potentially use the direct AND indirect costs of war to help estimate the costs of such activities on our economy?

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« Reply #72 on: September 06, 2012, 03:26:45 PM »
I'm surprised that the great ethanol debate hasn't at least been mentioned when discussing record high gas prices.  Remember those mandatory E10 stickers on pumps and the "I'm not filling up with that there etheenol (sic) crowd because I like to eat yellow corn (no Iowa) and it makes my engine blow up?"  With the banning of MTBE and subsequent replacement with ethanol, bye-bye E10 stickers in the majority of states.  Add in the loss of ethanol subsidies, the permanent or temporary closure of ethanol plants due to corn prices, and the fact that the other unbanned additives are more expensive than four years ago, and you have a two-fold effect on gas prices at the pump.  The ethanol factor is one example of the many variables that go into the gasoline price (less ozone emitting fuel during the summer from expensive additives/refining is another one that comes to mind) that the current president watched over.  Ironically, the majority of the subtle variables that were changed over the last four years are the ones that had the most say in where the price is now.  97 buck oil and record high gas prices?   :jerk:

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« Reply #73 on: September 06, 2012, 03:29:55 PM »
I'm surprised that the great ethanol debate hasn't at least been mentioned when discussing record high gas prices.  Remember those mandatory E10 stickers on pumps and the "I'm not filling up with that there etheenol (sic) crowd because I like to eat yellow corn (no Iowa) and it makes my engine blow up?"  With the banning of MTBE and subsequent replacement with ethanol, bye-bye E10 stickers in the majority of states.  Add in the loss of ethanol subsidies, the permanent or temporary closure of ethanol plants due to corn prices, and the fact that the other unbanned additives are more expensive than four years ago, and you have a two-fold effect on gas prices at the pump.  The ethanol factor is one example of the many variables that go into the gasoline price (less ozone emitting fuel during the summer from expensive additives/refining is another one that comes to mind) that the current president watched over.  Ironically, the majority of the subtle variables that were changed over the last four years are the ones that had the most say in where the price is now.  97 buck oil and record high gas prices?   :jerk:

I've read this post twice, and I'm still not quite sure which side of the ethanol debate EMAWican has chosen to take. I think it's the big government side, though.

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Re: Record Gas Prices . .
« Reply #74 on: September 06, 2012, 03:32:46 PM »
Has anyone debated the Hawkish stance of some of our politicians have taken against Iran has driven up oil speculation and prices?

Thank you, and I'll listen off of the air.

* As an aside, as long as we continue to threaten war on every Arab state, we're going to see gas prices go up.  It's the nature of speculation.  Could we potentially use the direct AND indirect costs of war to help estimate the costs of such activities on our economy?

I agree 100%

It's like if we threatened to attack Alaska you would expect gold futures to go up too. Couple this with inflation in commodities over the years and I still don't see why people are surprised gas is so high.