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[felix rex]

Divorce, adultery and pre-marital sex were condemned to the same degree, and are rampant in both the Catholic and Evangelical populations. The greater focus on homosexuality vis à vis the other issues seems off balance and leads to claims of bigotry

Selective enforcement is a pretty reliable indicator of prejudice.

[HeinBallz]

Divorce, adultery and pre-marital sex were condemned to the same degree, and are rampant in both the Catholic and Evangelical populations. The greater focus on homosexuality vis à vis the other issues seems off balance and leads to claims of bigotry

Selective enforcement is a pretty reliable indicator of prejudice.

I'm totally going to use that and not credit you.

[j-dub]

1. Again, marriage=one man&woman=sex.
2. Common for some = uncommon for others.
3. If we began to describe the difference between men and frogs, where would we begin?

My wife read over my previous statement which prompted her to make assumptions I did not intend, so I would like to clarify that the when I said rape was common practice, I was referring to the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah.   

Frogs aside, do you think perspective could be slanted in any way for the purpose of building a christian empire?  I think it's entirely possible that Sin is grossly misrepresented, and the original context of the word Hell or "sheol" could have been more like dirt/under the ground and changed to the word Hell because there was no translation of sheol as it was an actual name of a thing/place.  I feel that the concept of eternal life was a statement that is true for all souls - regardless of their status of sinner or saint.   

I believe that the concept of "Sin" is something that defiles YOU as a person and not God; and thinking of it this way, I can think of sin as actually representing things that don't bring you happiness and therefor lead you into a life, and subsequent afterlife, filled with guilt and void of happiness.

This concept is often met with disgust and I feel that it's due to a initial confusion of happiness and pleasure - and therefore people describe scenarios where "sin" is okay because it makes you feel good.  On the contrary, Sex is pleasure; Love is happiness. One is quickly fleeting, the other is eternal.

In reality, we're all on equal footing - and Jesus was teaching people how to love themselves and know happiness and one way to fill our lives with happiness is to strive to make others happy.  That makes me feel a lot better about society and allows me to be tolerant of religions that are not my own, lifestyles that are not my own, & opinions that are not my own - yet still defend my own beliefs when persecuted.

If by creating a definition of what something is or isn't & therefor telling a person what they can and can't have - I am filling my life and theirs with the opposite of happiness.

I have begun to think for some time now that Heaven/Hell probably isn't a concrete place so much as a state of being. C.S. Lewis described hell as locked from the inside, and I find that really palatable. Basically, God gave human beings great dignity and free choice. Through our choices, we choose our fates. And I take very seriously Jesus warning against those who "knew my name and prophesied in my name but did not know me..depart from me evildoers." Love God and love your neighbor as yourself is the most difficult thing to practice in our day-to-day lives. Selfishness is easy. The alternative is not.

[felix rex]

Divorce, adultery and pre-marital sex were condemned to the same degree, and are rampant in both the Catholic and Evangelical populations. The greater focus on homosexuality vis à vis the other issues seems off balance and leads to claims of bigotry

Selective enforcement is a pretty reliable indicator of prejudice.

I'm totally going to use that and not credit you.

No worries on my part. I imagine someone else already said it somewhere.

[j-dub]

Divorce, adultery and pre-marital sex were condemned to the same degree, and are rampant in both the Catholic and Evangelical populations. The greater focus on homosexuality vis à vis the other issues seems is absolutely off balance and leads to claims of bigotry

Selective enforcement is a pretty reliable indicator of prejudice.

fmp.

[CNS]

Divorce, adultery and pre-marital sex were condemned to the same degree, and are rampant in both the Catholic and Evangelical populations. The greater focus on homosexuality vis à vis the other issues seems off balance and leads to claims of bigotry

Selective enforcement is a pretty reliable indicator of prejudice.

It's all hung on their saying "sorry" for their gluttony, pre-marital sex, adultery, divorce, etc while in church.  Their entire argument seems to swing around the fact that Homosexuals aren't sorry for being homosexual.  I mean, they say that it also is that they continue to practice homosexuality, but that can't really be it since the haters keep practicing the other above listed "sins".  Gay guys should just do what the other religious folk do, go to church once every 4 months and on xmas and easter(but never during football season) and say sorry.  Then they could keep on keeping on and be on the same page with those trying to legislate against them now.

[Dugout DickStone]

Divorce, adultery and pre-marital sex were condemned to the same degree, and are rampant in both the Catholic and Evangelical populations. The greater focus on homosexuality vis à vis the other issues seems off balance and leads to claims of bigotry

Selective enforcement is a pretty reliable indicator of prejudice.

It's all hung on their saying "sorry" for their gluttony, pre-marital sex, adultery, divorce, etc while in church.  Their entire argument seems to swing around the fact that Homosexuals aren't sorry for being homosexual.  I mean, they say that it also is that they continue to practice homosexuality, but that can't really be it since the haters keep practicing the other above listed "sins".  Gay guys should just do what the other religious folk do, go to church once every 4 months and on xmas and easter(but never during football season) and say sorry.  Then they could keep on keeping on and be on the same page with those trying to legislate against them now.

Bullshit.  The bigots would still find a reason to hate, they'd cook up a new excuse/misinterpreted bible verse while at the same time turning a blind eye to all the other sins the don't pressure the government to legislate.  Bigots gonna bigot.

[CNS]

Yeah, I know.  I live in KS too.  It was mostly tongue in cheek.

I hate it when stuff like this comes up in the news.  Then I find out that the three or four people I recently met at work, or whatevs, are actually closet bigots rather than nice people.  It amazes me.   News breaks, then it's time to get on facebook, twitter, or email and start forwarding a bunch of outlandishly hateful crap.

[Cartierfor3]

Bullshit.  The bigots would still find a reason to hate, they'd cook up a new excuse/misinterpreted bible verse while at the same time turning a blind eye to all the other sins the don't pressure the government to legislate.  Bigots gonna bigot.

So, is anyone who is against gay marriage a bigot and hateful?

[felix rex]

Bullshit.  The bigots would still find a reason to hate, they'd cook up a new excuse/misinterpreted bible verse while at the same time turning a blind eye to all the other sins the don't pressure the government to legislate.  Bigots gonna bigot.

So, is anyone who is against gay marriage a bigot and hateful?

I suppose some of the bigots could be more ignorant than hateful. Dumb or mean. Take your pick.

[8manpick]

Bullshit.  The bigots would still find a reason to hate, they'd cook up a new excuse/misinterpreted bible verse while at the same time turning a blind eye to all the other sins the don't pressure the government to legislate.  Bigots gonna bigot.

So, is anyone who is against gay marriage a bigot and hateful?

Whether they know it or not.

[Dugout DickStone]

Bullshit.  The bigots would still find a reason to hate, they'd cook up a new excuse/misinterpreted bible verse while at the same time turning a blind eye to all the other sins the don't pressure the government to legislate.  Bigots gonna bigot.

So, is anyone who is against gay marriage a bigot and hateful?

Dumb, mean, scared, closeted, etc.  I don't like to speak in absolutes.


So, normally I'd say yes.  There may be instances where I'd reconsider but it'd have to be a pretty good reason.  The "marriage is between one man and one woman as defined in the bible" is a bad reason because it imposes a person's religious beliefs on 2 consenting adults.  Also not valid, the slippery slope argument.

[OK_Cat]

Bullshit.  The bigots would still find a reason to hate, they'd cook up a new excuse/misinterpreted bible verse while at the same time turning a blind eye to all the other sins the don't pressure the government to legislate.  Bigots gonna bigot.

So, is anyone who is against gay marriage a bigot and hateful?

if you're against gay marriage, then you're either a bigot and hateful, or you're stupid and naive.  take your pick.

[Saulbadguy]

Bullshit.  The bigots would still find a reason to hate, they'd cook up a new excuse/misinterpreted bible verse while at the same time turning a blind eye to all the other sins the don't pressure the government to legislate.  Bigots gonna bigot.

So, is anyone who is against gay marriage a bigot and hateful?

yes.

[michigancat]

Bullshit.  The bigots would still find a reason to hate, they'd cook up a new excuse/misinterpreted bible verse while at the same time turning a blind eye to all the other sins the don't pressure the government to legislate.  Bigots gonna bigot.

So, is anyone who is against gay marriage a bigot and hateful?

I suppose some of the bigots could be more ignorant than hateful. Dumb or mean. Take your pick.

There's also the chance they are opposed to the government being involved in ANY marriage or civil union, but I'm not sure those people really exist.

[Dugout DickStone]

Bullshit.  The bigots would still find a reason to hate, they'd cook up a new excuse/misinterpreted bible verse while at the same time turning a blind eye to all the other sins the don't pressure the government to legislate.  Bigots gonna bigot.

So, is anyone who is against gay marriage a bigot and hateful?

I suppose some of the bigots could be more ignorant than hateful. Dumb or mean. Take your pick.

There's also the chance they are opposed to the government being involved in ANY marriage or civil union, but I'm not sure those people really exist.

Not really.  They like government involvement in certain areas, some of the time.  Especially when a homosexual person wants to marry the person they love.  Then is time for the gov to get in there and stop it.

[CNS]

I am fine with someone holding bigot beliefs.  Just don't impose them on others.  If you don't believe in gay marriage, don't go marry a d00d. 

If you think gambling is the devil, stay out of casinos.


I love the argument that some bigots have the freedom to do as they wish without punishment, then they turn around and donate to political campaigns running on a platform of limiting freedom of others.  Quit trying to legislate religious beliefs. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Bullshit.  The bigots would still find a reason to hate, they'd cook up a new excuse/misinterpreted bible verse while at the same time turning a blind eye to all the other sins the don't pressure the government to legislate.  Bigots gonna bigot.

So, is anyone who is against gay marriage a bigot and hateful?

I suppose some of the bigots could be more ignorant than hateful. Dumb or mean. Take your pick.

There's also the chance they are opposed to the government being involved in ANY marriage or civil union, but I'm not sure those people really exist.

Those people are for gay marriage, though, because if the government is not involved, there is nothing stopping two gay people from getting married.

[michigancat]

Bullshit.  The bigots would still find a reason to hate, they'd cook up a new excuse/misinterpreted bible verse while at the same time turning a blind eye to all the other sins the don't pressure the government to legislate.  Bigots gonna bigot.

So, is anyone who is against gay marriage a bigot and hateful?

I suppose some of the bigots could be more ignorant than hateful. Dumb or mean. Take your pick.

There's also the chance they are opposed to the government being involved in ANY marriage or civil union, but I'm not sure those people really exist.

Those people are for gay marriage, though, because if the government is not involved, there is nothing stopping two gay people from getting married.

Yeah, you're right. Anyone opposed to gay marriage is a hateful bigot.

[Cartierfor3]

you're either a bigot and hateful, or you're stupid and naive.

Dumb, mean, scared, closeted, etc.

some of the bigots could be more ignorant than hateful. Dumb or mean.

Anyone opposed to gay marriage is a hateful bigot.

Whether they know it or not.

  (if reference to original question)

I think differently, but that's ok. 

[OK_Cat]

you're either a bigot and hateful, or you're stupid and naive.

Dumb, mean, scared, closeted, etc.

some of the bigots could be more ignorant than hateful. Dumb or mean.

Anyone opposed to gay marriage is a hateful bigot.

Whether they know it or not.

  (if reference to original question)

I think differently, but that's ok.

it's not ok, dumbass hick.  you probably think "the gays" choose their "lifestlye"

dumbass

[8manpick]

Welp, there is a laundry list of rights provided to married couples ranging from tax benefits to property rights, but hey, those people that love each other can't procreate, and its not the way some old book said it should be, so eff them, don't give them those rights.  If you are against government giving any of those things to any married couple that is fine.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

Boy, this thread got Aurora-ed up pretty quickly.

Trim, I think CFG needs its own thread. If the restaraunt is to do well, it cannot be in the shadow of a sexuality/religion debate. I have been thinking of ideas for launching CFG. You know how CFA has the cows and they dress an employee up in the cow suit and dance around in front of the restaraunt when it opens and stuff? Well, CFG will have similar cows but on their bellies we will write their names to give some more association with CFG. Adam and Steve. Those are the first two names that come to mind.

[Trim]

Boy, this thread got Aurora-ed up pretty quickly.

Trim, I think CFG needs its own thread. If the restaraunt is to do well, it cannot be in the shadow of a sexuality/religion debate. I have been thinking of ideas for launching CFG. You know how CFA has the cows and they dress an employee up in the cow suit and dance around in front of the restaraunt when it opens and stuff? Well, CFG will have similar cows but on their bellies we will write their names to give some more association with CFG. Adam and Steve. Those are the first two names that come to mind.

I like the way you think, TibIdmnbc, when you're not thinking of serial killing.

[Dugout DickStone]

When the cows light up the lights in a building and it says "eat mor chikin" we could add "and cok"