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Re: Chick-Fil-A
« Reply #150 on: August 01, 2012, 08:42:34 PM »
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« Reply #151 on: August 01, 2012, 08:44:17 PM »
I always find it funny that Jesus is constantly schooling his disciples and telling them how they were getting crap wrong - yet people are basically taking Paul and assuming he's saying homosexuality is wrong, when it's just as likely that translated texts could just as easily be describing non-consensual sex between older men & younger boys and grouping all homosexuality within that context.  The reason I describe it as non-consensual sex as rape was often used as display of dominance and this "perverse" behavior was not restricted to male or female.  Some argue the reason there is a much more negative context surrounding male on male, is women were not worthy and basically no one gave a crap if people raped them.   In fact, it was common practice to offer your daughter or even wife to "lay" with house guest and considered bad manors to not do so.

My thoughts, and I would like to hear some thoughts from anyone interested; If god is so vehemently against homosexuality, why did he create the common reed frog that is often observed to change their sex when population control is needed?   There have been studies that link homosexuality within larger families - especially within the youngest kids of large families;  Would it not be divine design to allow such restriction of population to conserve resources and prevent over-crowding?
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« Reply #152 on: August 01, 2012, 09:00:51 PM »
I always find it funny that Jesus is constantly schooling his disciples and telling them how they were getting crap wrong - yet people are basically taking Paul and assuming he's saying homosexuality is wrong, when it's just as likely that translated texts could just as easily be describing non-consensual sex between older men & younger boys and grouping all homosexuality within that context.  The reason I describe it as non-consensual sex as rape was often used as display of dominance and this "perverse" behavior was not restricted to male or female.  Some argue the reason there is a much more negative context surrounding male on male, is women were not worthy and basically no one gave a crap if people raped them.   In fact, it was common practice to offer your daughter or even wife to "lay" with house guest and considered bad manors to not do so.

My thoughts, and I would like to hear some thoughts from anyone interested; If god is so vehemently against homosexuality, why did he create the common reed frog that is often observed to change their sex when population control is needed?   There have been studies that link homosexuality within larger families - especially within the youngest kids of large families;  Would it not be divine design to allow such restriction of population to conserve resources and prevent over-crowding?

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« Reply #153 on: August 01, 2012, 09:07:33 PM »
even if the bible is pro-hating people (in either testament) I don't think it's a good reason to hate people.

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« Reply #154 on: August 01, 2012, 09:08:29 PM »

1. Again, marriage=one man&woman=sex.
2. Common for some = uncommon for others.
3. If we began to describe the difference between men and frogs, where would we begin?

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« Reply #155 on: August 01, 2012, 09:14:15 PM »
even if the bible is pro-hating people (in either testament) I don't think it's a good reason to hate people.

The only difference between myself and a "gay" person, is that they are unrepentant of their sin. I don't hate them. I relate to them. We experience the same things. We both give in, at times. I recognize this and am sorry and want to improve. They are not. This is the only Christian perspective.

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« Reply #156 on: August 01, 2012, 09:21:51 PM »
Yeah. The swine poster is disappointingly dumb. I always ask anti-gay marriage folks why they also don't want laws against adultery and lying. That seems like a bigger threat to "traditional marriage" than two dudes minding their own business. Thats what makes the whole crusade seem glaringly homophobic to me.
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« Reply #157 on: August 01, 2012, 09:34:44 PM »
Deuteronomy 22:28-29

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« Reply #158 on: August 01, 2012, 09:35:16 PM »
I just hang the whole issue on "thou shall not judge." 

Pheewww, doesn't that feel better everybody!?  YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.  It's not your job to judge others. :dance:

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« Reply #159 on: August 01, 2012, 09:36:01 PM »
even if the bible is pro-hating people (in either testament) I don't think it's a good reason to hate people.

The only difference between myself and a "gay" person, is that they are unrepentant of their sin. I don't hate them. I relate to them. We experience the same things. We both give in, at times. I recognize this and am sorry and want to improve. They are not. This is the only Christian perspective.
Do you think it's necessary for states to legislate against sins like homosexuality?


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« Reply #160 on: August 01, 2012, 09:38:33 PM »
even if the bible is pro-hating people (in either testament) I don't think it's a good reason to hate people.

The only difference between myself and a "gay" person, is that they are unrepentant of their sin. I don't hate them. I relate to them. We experience the same things. We both give in, at times. I recognize this and am sorry and want to improve. They are not. This is the only Christian perspective.
Do you think it's necessary for states to legislate against sins like homosexuality?

yeah, adultery seems like it would be better to legislate against. Hurts far more people.

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« Reply #161 on: August 01, 2012, 09:43:15 PM »
For a guy that's not gay and only has a few tangential gay friends, I've become an oddly fervent defender of gay marriage. Mostly because of the attitudes of people back in the SEK.
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« Reply #162 on: August 01, 2012, 09:49:54 PM »

1. Again, marriage=one man&woman=sex.
2. Common for some = uncommon for others.
3. If we began to describe the difference between men and frogs, where would we begin?

My wife read over my previous statement which prompted her to make assumptions I did not intend, so I would like to clarify that the when I said rape was common practice, I was referring to the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah.   

Frogs aside, do you think perspective could be slanted in any way for the purpose of building a christian empire?  I think it's entirely possible that Sin is grossly misrepresented, and the original context of the word Hell or "sheol" could have been more like dirt/under the ground and changed to the word Hell because there was no translation of sheol as it was an actual name of a thing/place.  I feel that the concept of eternal life was a statement that is true for all souls - regardless of their status of sinner or saint.   

I believe that the concept of "Sin" is something that defiles YOU as a person and not God; and thinking of it this way, I can think of sin as actually representing things that don't bring you happiness and therefor lead you into a life, and subsequent afterlife, filled with guilt and void of happiness.

This concept is often met with disgust and I feel that it's due to a initial confusion of happiness and pleasure - and therefore people describe scenarios where "sin" is okay because it makes you feel good.  On the contrary, Sex is pleasure; Love is happiness. One is quickly fleeting, the other is eternal.

In reality, we're all on equal footing - and Jesus was teaching people how to love themselves and know happiness and one way to fill our lives with happiness is to strive to make others happy.  That makes me feel a lot better about society and allows me to be tolerant of religions that are not my own, lifestyles that are not my own, & opinions that are not my own - yet still defend my own beliefs when persecuted.

If by creating a definition of what something is or isn't & therefor telling a person what they can and can't have - I am filling my life and theirs with the opposite of happiness.
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« Reply #163 on: August 01, 2012, 09:56:21 PM »
even if the bible is pro-hating people (in either testament) I don't think it's a good reason to hate people.

The only difference between myself and a "gay" person, is that they are unrepentant of their sin. I don't hate them. I relate to them. We experience the same things. We both give in, at times. I recognize this and am sorry and want to improve. They are not. This is the only Christian perspective.

Is it the Christian perspective to persecute others for their sin?  Again, I don't believe that sin is representative in the context that most religious people hold it - so this drives me towards curiosity.   If someone was living their life with gluttony, Is it acceptable from a Christian perspective to humiliate and protest those that are obese?  Or could you accept that their sin or lifestyle is preventing them from deep happiness and essentially holds no effect on your happiness.   Could you even compare Homosexuality to gluttony - as one is a result of seeking pleasure and the other is being true to themselves to find happiness?  Do you think Homosexuality is a Choice?
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« Reply #164 on: August 01, 2012, 09:57:06 PM »
I just hang the whole issue on "thou shall not judge." 

Pheewww, doesn't that feel better everybody!?  YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.  It's not your job to judge others. :dance:

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« Reply #165 on: August 01, 2012, 10:01:26 PM »
Conviction does not mean bigotry.  Believing someone's actions are immoral is not a 1 to 1 correlation with hating that person. 

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« Reply #166 on: August 01, 2012, 10:04:01 PM »
Do whatever you want.

That applies to both sexing up and taking liberties with a so-called "trademark holder" when making a super-gay version of their restaurant.

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« Reply #167 on: August 01, 2012, 10:07:25 PM »
Conviction does not mean bigotry.  Believing someone's actions are immoral is not a 1 to 1 correlation with hating that person.

Agree entirely - but this whole Chick-Fil-A thing has become an opportunity for people to voice their disgust with others lifestyle.  I could really give a crap how CFA feels.  Boycotting them seems just as shallow and narrow sighted as posting on face-book how you went to CFA today for no other purpose but to let people know that you also support the views of CFA.  Who the eff cares?  It's hate mongering.   Why do people have to sign petitions or drive half an hour out of their way to eat there JUST so they can tell everyone that they ate there.   If you want to eat there, eat there because it's rough ridin' good food or you don't think that government should be used to force people to think a certain way. If you don't want to eat there, DON'T rough ridin' EAT THERE, but signing a petition to have them removed is equally forcing your views on people that disagree with you. 
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« Reply #168 on: August 01, 2012, 10:17:23 PM »
Conviction does not mean bigotry.  Believing someone's actions are immoral is not a 1 to 1 correlation with hating that person.

Agree entirely - but this whole Chick-Fil-A thing has become an opportunity for people to voice their disgust with others lifestyle.  I could really give a crap how CFA feels.  Boycotting them seems just as shallow and narrow sighted as posting on face-book how you went to CFA today for no other purpose but to let people know that you also support the views of CFA.  Who the eff cares?  It's hate mongering.   Why do people have to sign petitions or drive half an hour out of their way to eat there JUST so they can tell everyone that they ate there.   If you want to eat there, eat there because it's rough ridin' good food or you don't think that government should be used to force people to think a certain way. If you don't want to eat there, DON'T rough ridin' EAT THERE, but signing a petition to have them removed is equally forcing your views on people that disagree with you. 

this is such a bullshit argument. CFA isn't just "disagreeing" - they are supporting legislation to deny a group of people rights that other people enjoy. Those opposing Chick-fil-a and encouraging boycotts are doing nothing to deny the chick-fil-a executives rights that other people enjoy.

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« Reply #169 on: August 01, 2012, 10:21:40 PM »
I boycotted cfa years ago after they fired a muslim for not participating in a prayer. The whole closed on Sundays thing is sketchy too.
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« Reply #170 on: August 01, 2012, 10:26:02 PM »
Conviction does not mean bigotry.  Believing someone's actions are immoral is not a 1 to 1 correlation with hating that person.

Agree entirely - but this whole Chick-Fil-A thing has become an opportunity for people to voice their disgust with others lifestyle.  I could really give a crap how CFA feels.  Boycotting them seems just as shallow and narrow sighted as posting on face-book how you went to CFA today for no other purpose but to let people know that you also support the views of CFA.  Who the eff cares?  It's hate mongering.   Why do people have to sign petitions or drive half an hour out of their way to eat there JUST so they can tell everyone that they ate there.   If you want to eat there, eat there because it's rough ridin' good food or you don't think that government should be used to force people to think a certain way. If you don't want to eat there, DON'T rough ridin' EAT THERE, but signing a petition to have them removed is equally forcing your views on people that disagree with you. 

this is such a bullshit argument. CFA isn't just "disagreeing" - they are supporting legislation to deny a group of people rights that other people enjoy. Those opposing Chick-fil-a and encouraging boycotts are doing nothing to deny the chick-fil-a executives rights that other people enjoy.

Are they vocally supporting it or financially supporting it? Because there's a huge difference and either scenario illustrates perfectly why government should stay out of social issues... and most issues for that matter.
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« Reply #171 on: August 01, 2012, 10:29:06 PM »
Conviction does not mean bigotry.  Believing someone's actions are immoral is not a 1 to 1 correlation with hating that person.

Agree entirely - but this whole Chick-Fil-A thing has become an opportunity for people to voice their disgust with others lifestyle.  I could really give a crap how CFA feels.  Boycotting them seems just as shallow and narrow sighted as posting on face-book how you went to CFA today for no other purpose but to let people know that you also support the views of CFA.  Who the eff cares?  It's hate mongering.   Why do people have to sign petitions or drive half an hour out of their way to eat there JUST so they can tell everyone that they ate there.   If you want to eat there, eat there because it's rough ridin' good food or you don't think that government should be used to force people to think a certain way. If you don't want to eat there, DON'T rough ridin' EAT THERE, but signing a petition to have them removed is equally forcing your views on people that disagree with you. 

this is such a bullshit argument. CFA isn't just "disagreeing" - they are supporting legislation to deny a group of people rights that other people enjoy. Those opposing Chick-fil-a and encouraging boycotts are doing nothing to deny the chick-fil-a executives rights that other people enjoy.

Are they vocally supporting it or financially supporting it? Because there's a huge difference and either scenario illustrates perfectly why government should stay out of social issues... and most issues for that matter.

financially and vocally

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« Reply #172 on: August 01, 2012, 10:29:53 PM »
Oh, well eff those guys then. 
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« Reply #173 on: August 01, 2012, 10:46:09 PM »
PoetWarrior acknowledged me! :love:

He won't agree with me on this though: Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. It seems silly to waste time on it. Love your God, love your neighbor. Those were Jesus' commandments. I'm pretty sure that what Chick-Fil-A did could not be considered loving their neighbor. Chick-Fil-Gay sounds much more in line with the ideology of Jesus. And it will be interesting to see how Trim reacts to that statement....

It's much too complicated for simple proof-texting. The greek word paul used that was translated as "homosexuality" was the first instance of the word in ancient greek lit. He made it up basically. It most probably was a condemnation of homosexual acts such as male prostitution, pederasty and master/slave forced sexual activity. Sexual identity is a recent phenomenon and as such was foreign to the 1st century greek individual.

The condemnation's against homosexual acts always appeared within a greater list that included adultery, prostitution, incest, etc.. The sinfulness of each was similar in kind. It seems that Catholics and Evangelicals in our generation have elevated the sinfulness of homosexuality above the others.

Divorce, adultery and pre-marital sex were condemned to the same degree, and are rampant in both the Catholic and Evangelical populations. The greater focus on homosexuality vis à vis the other issues seems off balance and leads to claims of bigotry and hatred.

Christians* should seek to understand before they rigidly quote texts they most assuredly do not fully understand.

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« Reply #174 on: August 01, 2012, 10:49:08 PM »
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