Man, this is going to get a little messy with the quote function, but here goes nothing.
You have a hard-on for his stats or something? Why is throwing for 44 TDs impressive when you also throw 34 INTs? That isn't the TD/INT ration I like.
The thing about Freeman that a lot of people forget, is that he started as a freshman. His freshman season, he had terrible statistics. 6 tds, 15 ints (the Phog guys were so mean after that season). Which begs the question, how does his freshman statistics fit in the context of the rest of his careers, and the context of the rest of the KSU qbs in the discussion. Well, the thing is, in the last two decades, NO FRESHMAN QB AT KSU HAS BEEN GOOD. Hardly any have had the opportunity. The youngest guy I can remember starting as even a RS freshman under Snyder was Evridge (HA!). Besides him, Roberson started as a RS Sophomore and his numbers that year (when he was already 2 years older than Freeman was) were just dreadful.
My point is, is that Freemaw's TD/INT ratio is completely skewed because of his 6/15 freshman year disaster. During his final two years, he threw for 38/19 which isn't bad.
Career completion percentage is under 60%.
So was Chad May's (56.1), Ell's (48.9), Bishop's (49.4), Lynn Dickey (50.4) and probably every other qb in K-State history. FWIW, Freeman's completion percentage is over 59%.
If there was a chance for Freeman to crap his pants, he usually found a way. Blaming his career record on the defense is laughable.
Well, he certainly had a chance to crap his pants against UT at home, and didn't, so you're wrong.
Interesting, take on the defense though. Let's look at the numbers. In Freeman's 18 losses, the defense gave up an average of 41.5 points. I mean, averaging 42 points a game is a tall order for anyone. I think most people that were paying any attention in 2007/2008 would agree that the offense wasn't the issue; giving up over 33 points a game was.
I defense the last three years has been damn near as terrible as the Prince years (if not worse in some respects). Snyder has simply willed them to make the big plays in big situations.......must to the disliking of Cosh.
I'm not sure what your point is here, but, you're wrong. Under Snyder, the defense has given up an average of over 6 fewer points (or about a touchdown fewer) a game.
TL;DR:
You're a complete idiot who is ignoring the best passer Kansas State has ever had (8k yards in 2.5 years) because you don't like his head coach and the rest his shitty team, especially the defense.
Wake up, dumbass.
This is going to get even messier.
We can't eliminate his freshman year from the equation. Picking and choosing what stats you want in include in the argument is bullshit. He had a shitty freshman year, a pretty good sophomore year, and a pretty good junior year (mostly due to the fact he figured out he could actually run the ball -- his passing game actually degressed his junior year).
Nearly every other QB in recent history has been dual threat. For someone who was almost strictly a passing QB, you expect a high completion percentage. 59% may be highest among our QBs, but in relation to the rest of the college football world, that isn't very good.
I love how all the Freeman supporters constantly point to the Texas games as his defining moments as a truly great QB. I suppose the Texas wins also validate how awesome Prince was as a coach. Great QBs find a way to win games. Freeman never had that capability.
Last year's defense gave up closer to 5 fewer points a game than Prince's 2008 squad (Freeman's last year and our worst defense). Last year's defense gave up a little less than 4 points compared to the 2007 squad. Don't make Snyder's defense's out to be light years ahead of the Prince era. Morris was a far better D-coordinator than Cosh. Fact is, Freeman wasn't even close to winning most games. Our average margin of defeat was nearly 18 points during Freeman's last two years. In fact, during those last two years, we only had two losses that were decided by a TD or less. The rest were rough ridin' blowouts! Sure, the defense wasn't good, but Freeman couldn't keep us close anyways.
I'm done shooting holes in your paperbag argument. It sickens me to think some around here believe Josh Freeman was a Top 5 QB.
