Author Topic: Yawn, KState with 13 All Big 12 players and 2 AAs (Read 18257 times)

steve dave · « **on:** May 17, 2012, 05:10:27 PM »

Jeff Burkhart ?@jeff_burkhart
#KState has 13 on @philsteele042's preseason All-Big 12 list. Arthur Brown 2nd Team AA, Tyler Lockett 3rd Tm AA, both 1st Team #Big12 picks.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 17, 2012, 05:19:18 PM »

star seed 7 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 17, 2012, 05:28:32 PM »

what a team full of dogshit talent.

jesus bill.

steve dave · « **Reply #3 on:** May 17, 2012, 05:31:25 PM »

And KU with 6! The state of KS is stacked this year.

Matt Tait ?@mctait
Phil Steele names 6 #KUfball players in preseason mag: S McDougald, DE Opurum & TE Ragone 3rd team; OL Hawkinson, OL Zlatnik & LB Willis 4th

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 17, 2012, 05:37:39 PM »

Hmmm.... Beems, thoughts? I thought there wasn't a big difference in talent between the two schools? Weird!

ChiComCat · « **Reply #5 on:** May 17, 2012, 05:39:27 PM »

Quote from: fanningksu on May 17, 2012, 05:37:39 PM

Hmmm.... Beems, thoughts? I thought there wasn't a big difference in talent between the two schools? Weird!

You've clearly forgot about their Orange Bowl

OregonSmock · « **Reply #6 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:51:15 PM »

Hang a banner. Or slap some white paint on a wall.

OregonSmock · « **Reply #7 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:51:51 PM »

Quote from: fanningksu on May 17, 2012, 05:37:39 PM

Hmmm.... Beems, thoughts? I thought there wasn't a big difference in talent between the two schools? Weird!

You realize this is a preseason list, right? There is no difference in talent between KU and K-State. If anything, KU has more talent.

KITNfury · « **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:53:09 PM »

Quote from: OregonSmock on May 17, 2012, 06:51:51 PM

Quote from: fanningksu on May 17, 2012, 05:37:39 PM
Hmmm.... Beems, thoughts? I thought there wasn't a big difference in talent between the two schools? Weird!

You realize this is a preseason list, right? There is no difference in talent between KU and K-State. If anything, KU has more talent.

Keep beating that drum, bro.

OregonSmock · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:56:26 PM »

Quote from: KITNfury on May 17, 2012, 06:53:09 PM

Quote from: OregonSmock on May 17, 2012, 06:51:51 PM
Quote from: fanningksu on May 17, 2012, 05:37:39 PM
Hmmm.... Beems, thoughts? I thought there wasn't a big difference in talent between the two schools? Weird!

You realize this is a preseason list, right? There is no difference in talent between KU and K-State. If anything, KU has more talent.
Keep beating that drum, bro.

It's just a fact. K-State won the last few years because of Gill vs. Scheme Doctor. KU's players have more BCS offers and more talent. Sorry. Look up the last few recruiting classes and get back to me.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:03:18 PM »

Quote from: OregonSmock on May 17, 2012, 06:51:51 PM

Quote from: fanningksu on May 17, 2012, 05:37:39 PM
Hmmm.... Beems, thoughts? I thought there wasn't a big difference in talent between the two schools? Weird!

You realize this is a preseason list, right? There is no difference in talent between KU and K-State. If anything, KU has more talent.

it's not even fun when you reveal yourself like this.

OregonSmock · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:09:02 PM »

Name one K-State player with an offer list that compares to this one:

Quote

Kansas   COMMITTED (12/23/2008)
Florida
Nebraska
Notre Dame
Purdue
Texas Tech

Or this one:

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Notre Dame   COMMITTED (04/20/2007)
Florida St.
Iowa
Michigan
Nebraska
Oregon
Stanford
USC

Bottom line is that K-State has a bunch of borderline d-1 players who have been developed by Scheme Doctor and nourished through a Big 12 strength and conditioning program. KU's players didn't have any of those luxuries the past two years. Add the stars up and the offer lists and it's just not even close.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:11:49 PM »

please reveal to us who these superstars are. i'm sure with offer lists like that they would be first team all big12 at least (if not AA's).

yoga-like_abana · « **Reply #13 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:16:14 PM »

One Player
Miami (FL)
Alabama
Kansas St.
LSU
North Carolina
USC

_33 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:22:06 PM »

Quote from: seven on May 17, 2012, 07:11:49 PM

please reveal to us who these superstars are. i'm sure with offer lists like that they would be first team all big12 at least (if not AA's).

Dwayne Christ and Totem Opruham I think.

OregonSmock · « **Reply #15 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:29:13 PM »

Arthur Brown is the best player between either program. After that its probably Malone and then Hawkinson. Klein is good, but he won't be a qb in the NFL. He also gets to carry the ball aout 70 more times than any other player in college football.

yoga-like_abana · « **Reply #16 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:31:53 PM »

oh, so I guess ku is still more talented?

OregonSmock · « **Reply #17 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:34:59 PM »

If Scheme Doctor had KU's roster I think the results would be very similar. KU's talent was considered better out of high school, but it isn't developed like K-State's. You guys should embrace that.

naturalselection · « **Reply #18 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:35:13 PM »

Quote from: OregonSmock on May 17, 2012, 06:51:51 PM

You realize this is a preseason list, right? There is no difference in talent between KU and K-State. If anything, KU has more talent.

Don't disagree with this. If Weis and staff are any kind of competent KU should win 6 games minimum. Bet Bill would walk into that roster and break off 7 or 8 in season 1.

pissclams · « **Reply #19 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:38:14 PM »

Quote from: OregonSmock on May 17, 2012, 07:29:13 PM

Arthur Brown is the best player between either program. After that its probably Malone and then Hawkinson. Klein is good, but he won't be a qb in the NFL. He also gets to carry the ball aout 70 more times than any other player in college football.

are we discussing NFL Pro Bowlers or All Big 12 players

'taterblast · « **Reply #20 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:38:47 PM »

holy crap beems

naturalselection · « **Reply #21 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:45:03 PM »

Quote from: pissclams on May 17, 2012, 07:38:14 PM

are we discussing NFL Pro Bowlers or All Big 12 players

Strictly talent. Beems isn't far off. Gill and co. were a coaching disaster, but pretty good recruiters. The talent is there to take a significant step forward from God awful to a least average if the new staff has their crap together.

yoga-like_abana · « **Reply #22 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:45:28 PM »

sucks for crist that he couldn't be developed the first time that Weis tried to. 2nd times a charm I hear.

_33 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:46:14 PM »

If we judge talent by pro success KU's bball team has had one of the least talented rosters in the conference over the last decade.

OregonSmock · « **Reply #24 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:55:35 PM »

That's another myth perpetuated by K-State fans. Hinrich was on the olympic team. Collison is a solid player for the Thunder. Chalmers is starting for the Heat. Gooden just had a big year for the Bucks. Arthur had a big year for Memphis last year before an injury this season. Rush just had his best NBA season with the Warriors. Aldrich is developing for OKC. Markieff had a really good rookie season with the Suns. Marcus is still setting into his role in Houston. Henry is getting minutes with the Hornets. Julian was kind of a bust. D-Jack has been a role player for a few teams, and Selby is a project with the Grizzlies. Pierce is the only super star, but collectively, that's a pretty good list of NBA talent.

Edit - forgot to mention that T-Rob will be a top 5 pick and Tyshawn will probably be an early 2nd rounder.