steele

[Cire]

says we're going to suck.

[hemmy]

Didn't he predict 7-5/6-6 last year?

[CHONGS]

Let's get him!

[DQ12]

Meh, he's always been a hack.  We've known it for years.

[420seriouscat69]

Yep, he does this every year. :Fuckhim:

[kso_FAN]

Hard to read with Steele's shorthand: http://www.philsteele.com/Pdf/2012Top40Countdown/37KansasSt.pdf

Here is Forecast:

From '97-'03 LHC Bill Snyder had 11 wins in 6 out of 7 ssns but in
his final 2 yrs ('04-'05) KSU slumped to 4-7 and 5-6 and he left
to spend time with his family. Ron Prince was hired as HC in '06
and change was the buzzword. Most of Snyder's asst's either left
or were booted out and many of the old players were shown the
door. They even shifted from the read option to a more pass-based
attack. Prince managed a 7-6 record in his first year but in the
next 2 yrs after opening 5-3 and 4-2 the bottom fell out (5-7 both
yrs). In '07 KSU all'd 401 ypg (30.8 ppg) and in '08, 479 ypg (35.8
ppg). That '08 squad was a Big 12 worst -151 ypg. Snyder had
just 12 ret sts in '09 but made my Most Improved List as I had
the only mag to have them ahead of rival KU (media picked 5th).
KSU did not disappoint me but lost the ssn final at Neb with the
B12 North Title on the line to finish 5-5 and home for the holidays.
KSU was -52.8 ypg in '09 (3rd worst) and +7 in TO's and in '10 had
just 11 ret sts. I thought Snyder did a great job in '10 as KSU got
to the Pinstripe Bowl at 7-5 but lost to Syr by 2. KSU was -97.9
ypg (#11 B12). LY they had 5 B12 HG's and I liked the influx of
transfers. I picked them 6th in the B12 which was higher than any
other major pressn publication and projected them to get back to
a bowl. If you follow philsteele.com during the season you know
that I have an upset pick each wk in my Top 25 forecast which
I also feature when I am a guest on ESPN radio Sat mornings.
KSU found themselves as my upset pick on a regular basis LY. In
fact, KSU was 10-2 despite being a dog in 8 of their 12 reg ssn
gms! Their first upset was on the road at Miami (led 14-3 half)
as UM was SOD on 4&gl at the 1 with :49 left. They upset RG3
& Co, 36-35. They were a HD vs Missouri but led 24-3 in the 4Q
and won. They beat TT 41-34 despite being outgained 580-339
thanks to +4 TO's and a KR td. Snyder always puts a premium
on beating his rival and they rolled to an easy 59-21 win at KU.
Okla was off a loss and KSU led 17-14 late 2Q but OU dominated
the 2H (58-17). They had a 1& gl at #3 Okla St's 5 with :05 left
but 3 inc passes left them 7 pts short. They won in 4OT vs A&M
at home and then were outgained by TX 310-121 but still won
17-13. They were outgained by Iowa St 368-360 but won 30-23
in their FHG. They lost the bowl to Ark, 29-16. KSU finished #2
in the B12 at 7-2 but shockingly were -106.8 ypg (2nd worst). TY
they do have their most exp'd squad since Snyder's return with
14 ret sts but LY they benefitted from 7 net close wins, +12 in
TO's, an off ypp of 10.6 (pg 309) and also come in with a -3.5 in
my Stock Market Indicator (pg 27). TY's team is stronger than the
'11 version but probably won't match their 10 win total.

[sonofdaxjones]

We were an eyelash away from being 6-6 last year, and there hasn't exactly been a massive influx of talent at key positions either.

[deputy dawg]

So, he says what everyone else is saying:  We're better than last year, but probably won't get to 10 wins.  BFD, TCU and WV are going to be tougher on us than A&M and Moo were last year, so he's got a good shot at being absolutely correct.

[yoga-like_abana]

So, he says what everyone else is saying:  We're better than last year, but probably won't get to 10 wins.  BFD, TCU and WV are going to be tougher on us than A&M and Moo were last year, so he's got a good shot at being absolutely correct.

Everyone is now dumber after reading that.

[Shacks]

We were an eyelash away from being 6-6 last year, and there hasn't exactly been a massive influx of talent at key positions either.

If you look at it the other way, we were an eyelash away from being 11-1 in the regular season and winning the Big 12.  Just depends on if you're a half empty or half full kind of person.

Also hasn't been a massive exodus of talent either.  David Garrett and a couple offensive linemen are the only meaningful players we lose.

[DQ12]

K-State winning a lot of close games last year has nothing to do with this season.

['taterblast]

we're going to suck
 

[Rage Against the McKee]

K-State winning a lot of close games last year has nothing to do with this season.

I think it shows a lot about the character of our returning team and can only mean good things for the upcoming season. I don't understand the people who are spinning it as somehow being a bad thing.

[CNS]

If Snyder continues winning while continuing to be constantly out gained by a lot game after game, he should be burnt as a witch. 

Also, this is why I think we won't be as successful this season.  That kind of stuff catches up to you, especially if any key positions graduate talent for lesser talent. 

Just losing Guidry could lose us half our games. 

[AbeFroman]

Hard to read with Steele's shorthand: http://www.philsteele.com/Pdf/2012Top40Countdown/37KansasSt.pdf

Here is Forecast:

From '97-'03 LHC Bill Snyder had 11 wins in 6 out of 7 ssns but in
his final 2 yrs ('04-'05) KSU slumped to 4-7 and 5-6 and he left
to spend time with his family. Ron Prince was hired as HC in '06
and change was the buzzword. Most of Snyder's asst's either left
or were booted out and many of the old players were shown the
door. They even shifted from the read option to a more pass-based
attack. Prince managed a 7-6 record in his first year but in the
next 2 yrs after opening 5-3 and 4-2 the bottom fell out (5-7 both
yrs). In '07 KSU all'd 401 ypg (30.8 ppg) and in '08, 479 ypg (35.8
ppg). That '08 squad was a Big 12 worst -151 ypg. Snyder had
just 12 ret sts in '09 but made my Most Improved List as I had
the only mag to have them ahead of rival KU (media picked 5th).
KSU did not disappoint me but lost the ssn final at Neb with the
B12 North Title on the line to finish 5-5 and home for the holidays.
KSU was -52.8 ypg in '09 (3rd worst) and +7 in TO's and in '10 had
just 11 ret sts. I thought Snyder did a great job in '10 as KSU got
to the Pinstripe Bowl at 7-5 but lost to Syr by 2. KSU was -97.9
ypg (#11 B12). LY they had 5 B12 HG's and I liked the influx of
transfers. I picked them 6th in the B12 which was higher than any
other major pressn publication and projected them to get back to
a bowl. If you follow philsteele.com during the season you know
that I have an upset pick each wk in my Top 25 forecast which
I also feature when I am a guest on ESPN radio Sat mornings.
KSU found themselves as my upset pick on a regular basis LY. In
fact, KSU was 10-2 despite being a dog in 8 of their 12 reg ssn
gms! Their first upset was on the road at Miami (led 14-3 half)
as UM was SOD on 4&gl at the 1 with :49 left. They upset RG3
& Co, 36-35. They were a HD vs Missouri but led 24-3 in the 4Q
and won. They beat TT 41-34 despite being outgained 580-339
thanks to +4 TO's and a KR td. Snyder always puts a premium
on beating his rival and they rolled to an easy 59-21 win at KU.
Okla was off a loss and KSU led 17-14 late 2Q but OU dominated
the 2H (58-17). They had a 1& gl at #3 Okla St's 5 with :05 left
but 3 inc passes left them 7 pts short. They won in 4OT vs A&M
at home and then were outgained by TX 310-121 but still won
17-13. They were outgained by Iowa St 368-360 but won 30-23
in their FHG. They lost the bowl to Ark, 29-16. KSU finished #2
in the B12 at 7-2 but shockingly were -106.8 ypg (2nd worst). TY
they do have their most exp'd squad since Snyder's return with
14 ret sts but LY they benefitted from 7 net close wins, +12 in
TO's, an off ypp of 10.6 (pg 309) and also come in with a -3.5 in
my Stock Market Indicator (pg 27). TY's team is stronger than the
'11 version but probably won't match their 10 win total.

I refuse to read anything formatted like this. What a terrible website

[DQ12]

If Snyder continues winning while continuing to be constantly out gained by a lot game after game, he should be burnt as a witch. 

Also, this is why I think we won't be as successful this season.  That kind of stuff catches up to you, especially if any key positions graduate talent for lesser talent. 

Just losing Guidry could lose us half our games.

It doesn't "catch up with you."  That's garbage and it's not true.

We might lose some games next season.  It has nothing to do with last year, though.

[CNS]

If Snyder continues winning while continuing to be constantly out gained by a lot game after game, he should be burnt as a witch. 

Also, this is why I think we won't be as successful this season.  That kind of stuff catches up to you, especially if any key positions graduate talent for lesser talent. 

Just losing Guidry could lose us half our games.

It doesn't "catch up with you."  That's garbage and it's not true.

We might lose some games next season.  It has nothing to do with last year, though.

I agree that last year has nothing to do with this year.

I disagree that putting up fewer yards than your opponent game after game doesn't catch up with you.  Odds tells you that doing what we did last year, given the yards stat, is not sustainable.  I mean, how many times has that happened before?

[DQ12]

If Snyder continues winning while continuing to be constantly out gained by a lot game after game, he should be burnt as a witch. 

Also, this is why I think we won't be as successful this season.  That kind of stuff catches up to you, especially if any key positions graduate talent for lesser talent. 

Just losing Guidry could lose us half our games.

It doesn't "catch up with you."  That's garbage and it's not true.

We might lose some games next season.  It has nothing to do with last year, though.

I agree that last year has nothing to do with this year.

I disagree that putting up fewer yards than your opponent game after game doesn't catch up with you.  Odds tells you that doing what we did last year, given the yards stat, is not sustainable.  I mean, how many times has that happened before?

I don't want to say that we gave up a lot of yards "by design" last season, because obviously, we would've liked to have given up fewer yards.  However, our defense was all "bend don't break" which is actually a really good strategy against today's spread offenses, for two reasons. 

1. When (if) teams get down inside the 30 yard line, their spreads don't work as well because there is less field to run around.  I bet if you look at our red zone defense from last year, it was near the top in the Big 12.  So, outside of the 30 yard line, playing super tight and being committed to sell out to stop 7 yard pass routes is stupid, because if you get beat over the top, it's a TD.  So rope a dope them into the 30 yard line.  If you stop them, great, but them getting to the 30 isn't fatal.  Point is, all yardage isn't created equal for spread offenses and I consider the yards from their 20 to our 30 to be a bit emptier.

2.  When teams pass 50-60 times a game, they're going to turn it over.  Let them throw it all over the field.  That's risky.

So these teams that play against us can gobble up tons of yards, but as long as those yards don't come inside of our 30 yard line, we're in great shape.  In addition, if the yards they do gobble up are done through 60 passes, those are very risky yards.

I don't think we were overly lucky last season.

['taterblast]

good post, Dlew12.

[Cire]

what was our turnover margin last year?  it was ridiculous.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

what was our turnover margin last year?  it was ridiculous.

About 1/3 as good as luck-free, uber-talented Okie Lite.

[wetwillie]

If Snyder continues winning while continuing to be constantly out gained by a lot game after game, he should be burnt as a witch. 

Also, this is why I think we won't be as successful this season.  That kind of stuff catches up to you, especially if any key positions graduate talent for lesser talent. 

Just losing Guidry could lose us half our games.

It doesn't "catch up with you."  That's garbage and it's not true.

We might lose some games next season.  It has nothing to do with last year, though.

I agree that last year has nothing to do with this year.

I disagree that putting up fewer yards than your opponent game after game doesn't catch up with you.  Odds tells you that doing what we did last year, given the yards stat, is not sustainable.  I mean, how many times has that happened before?

I don't want to say that we gave up a lot of yards "by design" last season, because obviously, we would've liked to have given up fewer yards.  However, our defense was all "bend don't break" which is actually a really good strategy against today's spread offenses, for two reasons. 

1. When (if) teams get down inside the 30 yard line, their spreads don't work as well because there is less field to run around.  I bet if you look at our red zone defense from last year, it was near the top in the Big 12.  So, outside of the 30 yard line, playing super tight and being committed to sell out to stop 7 yard pass routes is stupid, because if you get beat over the top, it's a TD.  So rope a dope them into the 30 yard line.  If you stop them, great, but them getting to the 30 isn't fatal.  Point is, all yardage isn't created equal for spread offenses and I consider the yards from their 20 to our 30 to be a bit emptier.

2.  When teams pass 50-60 times a game, they're going to turn it over.  Let them throw it all over the field.  That's risky.

So these teams that play against us can gobble up tons of yards, but as long as those yards don't come inside of our 30 yard line, we're in great shape.  In addition, if the yards they do gobble up are done through 60 passes, those are very risky yards.

I don't think we were overly lucky last season.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?CONTENT_ID=165476&DB_OEM_ID=10410


So turns out we were the worst red zone defense in the big 12, Looks like #1 is complete horseshit.

[Cire]

Yeah letting teams game the ball in the red zone a whole bunch is a redic talking point

[Rage Against the McKee]

The only real benefit of "bend but don't break" is that the offense has more chances to turn the ball over. Giving the other team free reign to get inside your 30 yard line puts a ton of pressure on your offense. Slow teams run bend but don't break because they don't have the speed to cover the field without giving a large cushion.

Special teams and turnovers made up the yardage differential.

[kim carnes]

Hi guys, I think our offense could be somewhat better than last years. Could that help us win some games?  I think so.