Author Topic: The path of a coach (Read 15495 times)

Barry McCockner · « **Reply #76 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:02:31 PM »

Quote from: 8manpick on April 06, 2012, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: Chingon on April 06, 2012, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: Thecatwhisperer on April 06, 2012, 01:45:44 PM
Where is the data point at?

White dot is SIU 2003

We're so mumped.

Thecatwhisperer · « **Reply #77 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:07:20 PM »

One point does not a path make, but I'm not so sure we want to see the rest of the story. I'm going to pretend I never saw this. I can't let it bring me down from my false sense of security Weber has lulled me into the past couple of days.

SleepFighter · « **Reply #78 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:08:58 PM »

Quote from: sys on April 06, 2012, 01:35:41 PM

chingon, these are interesting. i think the magnitude of movements and the consistency of space occupied are more interesting/important than vector direction.

I think this is particularly true of the Wooly/Hugs/Martin one. On the other hand, the coaches with consistent vector direction are interesting too, if just for how unusual they are (Marshall).

michigancat · « **Reply #79 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:14:21 PM »

Quote from: SleepFighter on April 06, 2012, 02:08:58 PM

Quote from: sys on April 06, 2012, 01:35:41 PM
chingon, these are interesting. i think the magnitude of movements and the consistency of space occupied are more interesting/important than vector direction.

I think this is particularly true of the Wooly/Hugs/Martin one. On the other hand, the coaches with consistent vector direction are interesting too, if just for how unusual they are (Marshall).

Yeah, it's cool how the general area shifts when Huggins is hired.

SleepFighter · « **Reply #80 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:21:00 PM »

Now I'm looking back at that first plot, and good grief, Weber is all over the damn place.

CHONGS · « **Reply #81 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:31:16 PM »

Thecatwhisperer · « **Reply #82 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:34:00 PM »

If we can retain Angel, next years data point will hopefully be somewhere within the circle Martin was drawing. After that, all bets are off as our players will probably have transitioned fully away from Martin's style of ball.

CHONGS · « **Reply #83 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:41:06 PM »

ben ji · « **Reply #84 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:42:36 PM »

Did we ever find out who red was on the first graph?

steve dave · « **Reply #85 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:51:48 PM »

Quote from: ben ji on April 06, 2012, 02:42:36 PM

Did we ever find out who red was on the first graph?

wooly, he didn't have data for all the years (SHOULD HAVE DISCLOSED THIS

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CHONGS · « **Reply #86 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:53:36 PM »

Thecatwhisperer · « **Reply #87 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:56:57 PM »

How about one for SC the last several years?

SleepFighter · « **Reply #88 on:** April 06, 2012, 02:58:18 PM »

Large magnitude shifts that are more or less parallel with expected winning percentage strata are really weird, but they are awesome!

CHONGS · « **Reply #89 on:** April 06, 2012, 03:02:16 PM »

ben ji · « **Reply #90 on:** April 06, 2012, 03:15:21 PM »

my god, they are just as bad as nebraska.....FM left us for nebraska

Thecatwhisperer · « **Reply #91 on:** April 06, 2012, 03:28:49 PM »

Thanks for your work Chingon. Top notch.

Mikeyis4dcats · « **Reply #92 on:** April 06, 2012, 03:30:01 PM »

between Chingon and _Fan I feel really dumb sometimes.

Thecatwhisperer · « **Reply #93 on:** April 06, 2012, 03:33:20 PM »

Quote from: ben ji on April 06, 2012, 03:15:21 PM

my god, they are just as bad as nebraska.....FM left us for nebraska

To be fair, they've never made a commitment to basketball and I believe they are serious about giving it a try. Whether or not their fans are is a different story. It goes to show how bad things had gotten for Frank to leave everything he had going for him here.

nicname · « **Reply #94 on:** April 06, 2012, 04:24:48 PM »

Quote from: Thecatwhisperer on April 06, 2012, 01:31:29 PM

People who felt Martin was reaching his limit as a coach have a pretty good picture to back it up here. His teams seemed to follow the same pattern every year. It would be interesting to chart his progress at SC once he gets his type of players in there.

Except that the 12-13 team probably would have been similar to the 09-10 graph. That is a pretty good limit imo, and one that yields a high NCAA seed and a shot at a conference title every 4-5 years.

nicname · « **Reply #95 on:** April 06, 2012, 04:27:18 PM »

Not really relevant to the discussion, but would be interesting to see. a group of K, Roy, Self, Cal, Calhoun, Donovan and maybe Izzo. Would also be interesting to see the NCAA champs from 2002-03 to present graphed.

Thecatwhisperer · « **Reply #96 on:** April 06, 2012, 04:54:57 PM »

Can anyone think of another time a successful coach made a step down this drastic without being fired?

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #97 on:** April 06, 2012, 04:59:41 PM »

Dana Altman was at Arkansas for a day before going to Creighton

CHONGS · « **Reply #98 on:** April 06, 2012, 04:59:52 PM »

the arrow direction is simply to aid in determining which team is which (starting with 2003)

ChiComCat · « **Reply #99 on:** April 06, 2012, 05:02:17 PM »

My goodness, that '08 Kansas team was a monster. AND WE TOTALLY BEAT THEM ONCE!