Weber v. Billy Clyde Gillespie

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

So I recall a very vocal group on this board liking Billy Clyde as a coach.  In the Big XII rankings thread, several (not all) ranked Gillespie ahead of Weber.

Now, I'm not sure whether there's any overlap between Gillespie lovers and Weber haters, but I don't see a big difference.  For the most part, Weber's numbers are better.

1)  Both were fired.
2)  Both are white men.
3)  Weber had a better overall record (.669) than Gillespie (.622) after being fired (i.e., not even counting last year's 8-23 train wreck for BCG).
4)  Weber won 4 conference titles in 14 seasons; Gillespie won 1 in 8 seasons.
5)  Weber went to Sweet 16 three times in 14 seasons; Gillespie once in 8 seasons.
6)  Weber went to the Elite 8, Final Four, and championship game.

Anyone who loves Billy Clyde and hates Weber, please clue me in.  Now, BCG didn't have a losing record at UK (in two seasons) but he sucked bad enough to get fired.

 

(Of course, maybe BCG sucks as a coach -- his team last year was embarrassing -- in which case this comparison is not complimentary.)

[steve dave]

who on earth loves billy clyde?  also, gillespie built aTm from the ground and weber took over a program that was very high level if not elite.  gillespie did suck at KY who is definitely elite. 

[Saulbadguy]

No one here liked Billy. Phog loved him.

[catzacker]

wow.  you beat the crap out of that strawman. 

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

OK then, I guess I misremembered the Billy Clyde love.

  this thread...

[chum1]

OK then, I guess I misremembered the Billy Clyde love.

  this thread...

No, I remember.  People here have terrible memories.  (See surprise over the cost coaching search firms, e.g.)  It was a long time ago, though.  From the superior ksufans site.

[AzCat]

Not a huge fan of Billy Clyde but I'd send Weber & Currie to Lubbock in trade for BG and an assistant coach to be named later so fast it would make your head spin. 

[pissclams]

[michigancat]

Yes, I was a fan of BCG. A big difference between his tenure at UK and Weber's tenure at Illinois was BCG got 2 years and Weber got 9. BCG also never had a losing conference record.

I would still prefer him over oscar because he hasn't been given the opportunity to run a program completely into the ground and he recruits texas like a weirdo. Still, I'm allowed to change my mind depending on the context.

[EllToPay]

OK then, I guess I misremembered the Billy Clyde love.

  this thread...

just post some fancy nyc pictures to make up for it.

[JavaCat]

Yeah, there was plenty of Billy Clyde love. He obviously did well at A&M and they sucked before he came in, but Melvin left him NBA talent.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think BCG is much better than Weber. His success at A&M trumps anything Weber has done. His failure at Kentucky was also nowhere near the level of failure Weber had at Illinois.

[Saulbadguy]

Yes, I was a fan of BCG. A big difference between his tenure at UK and Weber's tenure at Illinois was BCG got 2 years and Weber got 9. BCG also never had a losing conference record.

I would still prefer him over oscar because he hasn't been given the opportunity to run a program completely into the ground and he recruits texas like a weirdo. Still, I'm allowed to change my mind depending on the context.

NO. You pushed the "lost to Wooly" talking point pretty hard.

[michigancat]

Yes, I was a fan of BCG. A big difference between his tenure at UK and Weber's tenure at Illinois was BCG got 2 years and Weber got 9. BCG also never had a losing conference record.

I would still prefer him over oscar because he hasn't been given the opportunity to run a program completely into the ground and he recruits texas like a weirdo. Still, I'm allowed to change my mind depending on the context.

NO. You pushed the "lost to Wooly" talking point pretty hard.

I change my mind a lot depending on my mood and the audience.

[Bill Clarahan]

Throw out the 2 yrs a UK, he was to loaded to coach

[sonofdaxjones]

:thisthreadsucks


dang

[nicname]

His face seems too small for his head. 

[ChiComCat]

Billy built aTm, Weber tore down Illinois.  Big difference.  Not necessarily a BCG fan though

[Saulbadguy]

His face seems too small for his head. 

He looks like an older version of a prominent poster on this board.

[Dugout DickStone]

OK then, I guess I misremembered the Billy Clyde love.

  this thread...

No, I remember.  People here have terrible memories.  (See surprise over the cost coaching search firms, e.g.)  It was a long time ago, though.  From the superior ksufans site.

No one was surprised.  We were just calling Currie out for padding a friend's pocket with KSU money.  The same way Weef and Krause used to do it.

[Dr Rick Daris]

His face seems too small for his head. 

He looks like an older version of a prominent poster on this board.

heh. weird that i immediately knew who you were talking about.

[chum1]

OK then, I guess I misremembered the Billy Clyde love.

  this thread...

No, I remember.  People here have terrible memories.  (See surprise over the cost coaching search firms, e.g.)  It was a long time ago, though.  From the superior ksufans site.

No one was surprised.  We were just calling Currie out for padding a friend's pocket with KSU money.  The same way Weef and Krause used to do it.

pretty sure some were surprised about that.  and about currie padding a friend's pocket.  and that currie would lie.  and that frank would lie.  and that coaches are hired based on things other than wins.  it's been a regular rough ridin' naivete-o-rama around here lately.  it's caused by butthurt.

[kso_FAN]

pretty sure some were surprised about that.  and about currie padding a friend's pocket.  and that currie would lie.  and that frank would lie.  and that coaches are hired based on things other than wins.  it's been a regular rough ridin' naivete-o-rama around here lately.  it's caused by butthurt.

Yeah. Thing is there are plenty of things to legitimately be upset about.