Good Weber blog entery by Kellis

[DoyleLonnegan]

Years 3-7 at Illinois I think really show what he is and can be as a coach. Some may say that's not good enough and that's fine. While I don't think he's proven he's going to build a title contender in a BCS league, I don't think that he'll bury K-State either.

If the 17-15 season was an isolated anomaly, what does that make the 16-19 season?

[kso_FAN]

Years 3-7 at Illinois I think really show what he is and can be as a coach. Some may say that's not good enough and that's fine. While I don't think he's proven he's going to build a title contender in a BCS league, I don't think that he'll bury K-State either.

If the 17-15 season was an isolated anomaly, what does that make the 16-19 season?

It was a bad season, but he didn't lose his team. They still played consistent defense, they rebounded, they got to the FT line. They just shot terribly. If you do those other things usually a solid program will recover, and it did. Granted they didn't win the Big 10, but the next three seasons were still a solid basketball team.

[Dr Rick Daris]

I get it and I get everything you've said since he was hired.

But he's still 0-0 at K-State.

How on earth is this relevant? Does the Big 10 have different rules or something that would make it harder for oscar to win?

I have major concerns over what happened to Weber this year, but I don't really think that is indicative of his coaching ability. This year was an isolated part of his career, not a good one by any means, for various reasons. JMHO.

Years 3-7 at Illinois I think really show what he is and can be as a coach. Some may say that's not good enough and that's fine. While I don't think he's proven he's going to build a title contender in a BCS league, I don't think that he'll bury K-State either.

i'd rather have someone that has a chance to bury us if he also has a chance of greatness. i agree that weber has neither. which is sad.

[naturalselection]

If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.

That's what Jamar did.  I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little.  And JO might have taken that role next year.

It makes the entire offense better. I mean if you can't see the value in a guy like Withey guarding JO at the top of the key on a secondary break I can't help you.

Does Jordan shooting 30% on 2/3 attempts per game force anyone to change how they're going to defend the 2ndary?  Is 45% eFG (with virtually 0 chance of causing a foul) something we're shooting for early in a shot clock?  Is working on improving this area of Jordan's game to potentially make it more valuable a productive use of his time?

[michigancat]

If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.

That's what Jamar did.  I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little.  And JO might have taken that role next year.

It makes the entire offense better. I mean if you can't see the value in a guy like Withey guarding JO at the top of the key on a secondary break I can't help you.

Does Jordan shooting 30% on 2/3 attempts per game force anyone to change how they're going to defend the 2ndary?  Is 45% eFG (with virtually 0 chance of causing a foul) something we're shooting for early in a shot clock?  Is working on improving this area of Jordan's game to potentially make it more valuable a productive use of his time?

In order: Yes, yes, yes

[MakeItRain]

If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.

That's what Jamar did.  I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little.  And JO might have taken that role next year.

It makes the entire offense better. I mean if you can't see the value in a guy like Withey guarding JO at the top of the key on a secondary break I can't help you.

Does Jordan shooting 30% on 2/3 attempts per game force anyone to change how they're going to defend the 2ndary?  Is 45% eFG (with virtually 0 chance of causing a foul) something we're shooting for early in a shot clock?  Is working on improving this area of Jordan's game to potentially make it more valuable a productive use of his time?

In order: Yes, yes, yes

My issue with the Jordan pick and popping is that Nice Guy oscar hasn't shown the ability to rein his players in if they fall in love with that crap.  I do think his style will be great for this team, but it could turn south if the players can't/won't self-police and retain some of the culture that existed when they got to Kansas State.

[michigancat]

If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.

That's what Jamar did.  I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little.  And JO might have taken that role next year.

It makes the entire offense better. I mean if you can't see the value in a guy like Withey guarding JO at the top of the key on a secondary break I can't help you.

Does Jordan shooting 30% on 2/3 attempts per game force anyone to change how they're going to defend the 2ndary?  Is 45% eFG (with virtually 0 chance of causing a foul) something we're shooting for early in a shot clock?  Is working on improving this area of Jordan's game to potentially make it more valuable a productive use of his time?

In order: Yes, yes, yes

My issue with the Jordan pick and popping is that Nice Guy oscar hasn't shown the ability to rein his players in if they fall in love with that crap.  I do think his style will be great for this team, but it could turn south if the players can't/won't self-police and retain some of the culture that existed when they got to Kansas State.

For sure. I still think it's something Martin could have tried. (Not necessarily the pick and pop but just letting him take a couple threes.) Hopefully oscar will allow Angel to continue to throw alley oops to JO, also.

[michigancat]

And I'm more worried about newcomers than anything. I believe the returning players take genuine pride in playing hard and tough and won't go soft, at least next year.

[Dr Rick Daris]

what a great weber story by kellis. weber has practiced with the players for one day and he's already talking about not having them drive to the basket as much and mentions that shooting is the most important thing that they are going to work on during the off season. 

[felix rex]

I've seen you do this to yourself before.  I was right there with you.  Maybe not posting very often, but I was right there.

This time I think we need to have an intervention.

If/when Weber brings bad basketball I will call it like I see it. I did the same with Frank. I've grown since Wooly.

But at this point Weber hasn't coached a game and I don't hate him, so I'll move forward.

Yeah. The fact that CC actually engaged rather than just issue robotic "we're so excited Weber is great" talking points" chilled me out a bit. I mean, I still hate Currie and I'm still an emotional tinderbox right now, so he didn't convince me, but he did defuse me.

[Joker]

What skills did will show off? Nunchuck skills?

lol

Thanks for that.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Is it possible that Frank was taking notes from the Massa and not letting JO shoot 3's so he wouldn't go pro?

[captaincrap]

he didn't convince me, but he did defuse me.