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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2012, 08:58:44 PM »
Hey, one of my biggest concerns in looking at Weber's teams is the lack of FT rate. Its a weakness and I'm hopeful he can grow and change, partially due to the fact his teams at Southern Illinois had pretty good FT rates, so he's done it before.

Hey everybody, look! A Weberite!

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2012, 09:03:46 PM »
one of the knocks on weber's teams was that his big men (after self's recruits were gone) were face up pussies.  just sayin'.

Yeah.  Some what concerning that he's openly discussing our 5 taking secondary break transition 3 point attempts.  Also, talk of expanding Jordan's game to the perimeter for the good of his career seems counterproductive for a 5 who needs lots of work on his inside game.  For Jordan as well as our team next season. 

It was a fluff piece by Kellis, JO isn't going to start trying to go dirk on people.
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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2012, 09:06:09 PM »
I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2012, 09:11:07 PM »
What skills did will show off? Nunchuck skills?

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2012, 09:13:21 PM »
What skills did will show off? Nunchuck skills?

He's pretty good with a bo staff

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2012, 09:13:36 PM »
Hey, one of my biggest concerns in looking at Weber's teams is the lack of FT rate. Its a weakness and I'm hopeful he can grow and change, partially due to the fact his teams at Southern Illinois had pretty good FT rates, so he's done it before.

Hey everybody, look! A Weberite!

Good lord.  It took nearly a decade to drive out the Woolites.   :blank:

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2012, 09:15:15 PM »
Hey, one of my biggest concerns in looking at Weber's teams is the lack of FT rate. Its a weakness and I'm hopeful he can grow and change, partially due to the fact his teams at Southern Illinois had pretty good FT rates, so he's done it before.

Hey everybody, look! A Weberite!

Good lord.  It took nearly a decade to drive out the Woolites.   :blank:


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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2012, 09:17:26 PM »
Jordan Henriquez – “Jordan has a lot of ability. He hit a couple threes yesterday. I didn’t know he had that in his bag of tricks. I asked him if he ever did any pick-and-pops, and he said, ‘No, they just had me driving to the hoop, but I can do that stuff.’ He made some shots, so that was positive.”


KSU fans.  Warning:  This is whkiere the destruction begins.  Illinois had no guys getting to the hoop the last 6 years under Weber.  They passed the ball around the perimeter doing pick and pops for 30 seconds before someone would take a hail mary 3.  The last game Illinois played, they did not shoot 1 free throw.  Sadly, this was not the only time this happened under Bubbles. 

I always thought it was because they didnt have the talent but here I see a player telling Bubbles he just gets to the hoop and Bubbles ask if he can do pick and pops!   :chainsaw:
confidence still rising? Thanks for pointing this out about him! This is the one I've noticed...scary crap..Jo was just starting to become a force inside, hopefully this doesn't make him soft...


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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2012, 09:19:11 PM »
Great to hear we have football games lined up in WV and a BB game in DC next year. Sharmutahs.

Also, I love that breakdown of players:

Martavious Irving – “He’s got a good body”

Shane Southwell – “He’s got a great body”

Thomas Gipson – “Man does he have a big body.”

Will Spradling – “Great personality."
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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2012, 09:20:34 PM »
I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.

Because he's not as valuable if he's out shooting 3's.  Not to us and not to an NBA team.  Did you watch Anthony Davis last night?  That's what JO could be.  Does anyone give a crap if Anthony Davis can shoot 3's?

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2012, 09:25:03 PM »
Hey, one of my biggest concerns in looking at Weber's teams is the lack of FT rate. Its a weakness and I'm hopeful he can grow and change, partially due to the fact his teams at Southern Illinois had pretty good FT rates, so he's done it before.

Hey everybody, look! A Weberite!

Good lord.  It took nearly a decade to drive out the Woolites.   :blank:



I've seen you do this to yourself before.  I was right there with you.  Maybe not posting very often, but I was right there.

This time I think we need to have an intervention.

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2012, 09:26:26 PM »
I've seen you do this to yourself before.  I was right there with you.  Maybe not posting very often, but I was right there.

This time I think we need to have an intervention.

If/when Weber brings bad basketball I will call it like I see it. I did the same with Frank. I've grown since Wooly.

But at this point Weber hasn't coached a game and I don't hate him, so I'll move forward.

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2012, 09:36:15 PM »
I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.

Because he's not as valuable if he's out shooting 3's.  Not to us and not to an NBA team.  Did you watch Anthony Davis last night?  That's what JO could be.  Does anyone give a crap if Anthony Davis can shoot 3's?


If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.

I've seen you do this to yourself before.  I was right there with you.  Maybe not posting very often, but I was right there.

This time I think we need to have an intervention.

If/when Weber brings bad basketball I will call it like I see it. I did the same with Frank. I've grown since Wooly.

But at this point Weber hasn't coached a game and I don't hate him, so I'll move forward.

He's coached many games. In fact, he has lost 66 Big 10 games over the last 6 years.

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Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2012, 09:38:17 PM »
I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.

Because he's not as valuable if he's out shooting 3's.  Not to us and not to an NBA team.  Did you watch Anthony Davis last night?  That's what JO could be.  Does anyone give a crap if Anthony Davis can shoot 3's?


If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.

I've seen you do this to yourself before.  I was right there with you.  Maybe not posting very often, but I was right there.

This time I think we need to have an intervention.

If/when Weber brings bad basketball I will call it like I see it. I did the same with Frank. I've grown since Wooly.

But at this point Weber hasn't coached a game and I don't hate him, so I'll move forward.

He's coached many games. In fact, he has lost 66 Big 10 games over the last 6 years.

I get it and I get everything you've said since he was hired.

But he's still 0-0 at K-State.

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2012, 09:39:33 PM »
I've never been on the the pessimistic side of a coaching hire.  I mean, I didn't think either the Wooly, or Snyder take 2 hires were particularly good, but I pretty quickly took the position that _FAN is adopting here.

I can't do that this time.  I kind of wish I could, but I just can't. 


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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2012, 09:40:11 PM »
I get it and I get everything you've said since he was hired.

But he's still 0-0 at K-State.

How on earth is this relevant? Does the Big 10 have different rules or something that would make it harder for oscar to win?

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2012, 09:41:42 PM »
I think Lowery and Weber balance each other out. Weber brings more skill and Lowery brings more intensity.

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2012, 09:42:39 PM »
I think Lowery and Weber balance each other out. Weber brings more skill and Lowery brings more intensity.

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2012, 09:42:51 PM »
I think Lowery and Weber balance each other out. Weber brings more skill and Lowery brings more intensity.
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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2012, 09:43:28 PM »
I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.

Because he's not as valuable if he's out shooting 3's.  Not to us and not to an NBA team.  Did you watch Anthony Davis last night?  That's what JO could be.  Does anyone give a crap if Anthony Davis can shoot 3's?


If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.


That's what Jamar did.  I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little.  And JO might have taken that role next year.

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« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2012, 09:45:40 PM »
Jordan Henriquez – “Jordan has a lot of ability. He hit a couple threes yesterday. I didn’t know he had that in his bag of tricks. I asked him if he ever did any pick-and-pops, and he said, ‘No, they just had me driving to the hoop, but I can do that stuff.’ He made some shots, so that was positive.”


KSU fans.  Warning:  This is where the destruction begins.  Illinois had no guys getting to the hoop the last 6 years under Weber.  They passed the ball around the perimeter doing pick and pops for 30 seconds before someone would take a hail mary 3.  The last game Illinois played, they did not shoot 1 free throw.  Sadly, this was not the only time this happened under Bubbles. 

I always thought it was because they didnt have the talent but here I see a player telling Bubbles he just gets to the hoop and Bubbles ask if he can do pick and pops!   :chainsaw:

Brandon Paul averaged 5.4 FTA per game this year.

KSU's top player at getting to the line was Samuels at 4.7 FTA per game(McGruder was 3.7 FWIW).

Now it's pretty clear that as a team, KSU definitely had the advantage in this area last year(24.2 to 16.6).

I guess from a Weberite perspective, it's good to see that a physical talent like Paul was given the freedom to be aggressive and get to the line like that.

The low FTR for the guards getting the majority of the minutes(Richardson, Maniscalco, and Abrams) are alarmingly low though - none averaged more than 2 FTA per game.




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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2012, 09:46:06 PM »
I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.

Because he's not as valuable if he's out shooting 3's.  Not to us and not to an NBA team.  Did you watch Anthony Davis last night?  That's what JO could be.  Does anyone give a crap if Anthony Davis can shoot 3's?


If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.


That's what Jamar did.  I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little.  And JO might have taken that role next year.

It makes the entire offense better. I mean if you can't see the value in a guy like Withey guarding JO at the top of the key on a secondary break I can't help you.

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2012, 09:48:56 PM »
one of the knocks on weber's teams was that his big men (after self's recruits were gone) were face up pussies.  just sayin'.

Kind of amazing that could happen with bruisers like Mike Tisdale on their roster.*


*Kind of an antecdotal "pick your poison"  on the recruiting trail.

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2012, 10:00:14 PM »
I get it and I get everything you've said since he was hired.

But he's still 0-0 at K-State.

How on earth is this relevant? Does the Big 10 have different rules or something that would make it harder for oscar to win?

I have major concerns over what happened to Weber this year, but I don't really think that is indicative of his coaching ability. This year was an isolated part of his career, not a good one by any means, for various reasons. JMHO.

Years 3-7 at Illinois I think really show what he is and can be as a coach. Some may say that's not good enough and that's fine. While I don't think he's proven he's going to build a title contender in a BCS league, I don't think that he'll bury K-State either.

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Re: Good Weber blog entery by Kellis
« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2012, 10:03:48 PM »
I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.

Because he's not as valuable if he's out shooting 3's.  Not to us and not to an NBA team.  Did you watch Anthony Davis last night?  That's what JO could be.  Does anyone give a crap if Anthony Davis can shoot 3's?


If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.


That's what Jamar did.  I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little.  And JO might have taken that role next year.

It makes the entire offense better. I mean if you can't see the value in a guy like Withey guarding JO at the top of the key on a secondary break I can't help you.

Is TRob under the basket waiting for the rebound?  No, I don't see a huge amount of value in that.