Hiring Process Discussion with CC

[kitten_mittons]

Why do you think that Angel staying made us want a shitty PG rather than a good PG?

[SwiftCat]

Why do you think that Angel staying made us want a shitty PG rather than a good PG?

That's what happened KM, it's documented in at least 1 thread. Gray told someone that we stopped returning calls.  That's exactly why everyone is upset about Orris.

[kitten_mittons]

I guess what I'm saying is that maybe they thought with Angel starting for the next 3 years that Gray would no longer want to come here and be a 3 year backup.  I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm just saying that it seemed (at the time, and especially now) that Orris was recruited as a warm body for a year.

[kso_FAN]

I think we all agree that at best oscar is (and will always be) a very "meh" face of the program and that makes basketball a little less exciting for many/most fans.

[Mr Bread]

I guess what I'm saying is that maybe they thought with Angel starting for the next 3 years that Gray would no longer want to come here and be a 3 year backup.  I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm just saying that it seemed (at the time, and especially now) that Orris was recruited as a warm body for a year.

This really doesn't make sense though.  This past year oscar had Tay to back up Angel and Will.  He didn't need a warm body.  Next year with Tay gone and Thomas unavailable until second semester is when oscar needs Orris.  They got rid of him right before he would actually be useful.  Who the hell spells Angel?  EMAPE?  Spradling pulling double duty?  Can you imagine the offense with a backcourt
of Omari, Will and a true frosh Foster on the floor at times?  That reeks of shitty Illinois guard play of recent vintage.   

The focus has been about the defense next year, but as a Chingon's chart shows offense was oscar's weakness.  As an adopted KSU purple cats' men's hoops observer that's bigger than possible defensive woes in my eyes.  The bright side is that it's only temporary with Thomas waiting in the wings for conference play.               

[michigancat]

I guess what I'm saying is that maybe they thought with Angel starting for the next 3 years that Gray would no longer want to come here and be a 3 year backup.  I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm just saying that it seemed (at the time, and especially now) that Orris was recruited as a warm body for a year.

That part where you said recruiting Orris instead of Gray wasn't a mistake sounded an awful lot like a defense of Weber.

[kso_FAN]

There can't be any logical defense of Orris being recruited over Gray, unless it built some relationship that leads oscar to 4-5 other Top 100 players and I fail to see any evidence that this is the case.

By far oscar's biggest mistake in his tenure at K-State so far IMHO.

[Pete]

oscar Weber sucks, and will steadily do worse every year until he is fired, just as we all predicted as soon as he was hired.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

I'm sorry, CC, but you couldn't be more condescending in this thread.  To act as if the avenue for change is through email is utterly patronizing.  To act as if decisions are or will be made because I can press "send" is insulting.  This isn't about Frank Martin, this isn't about a TV analyst, this isn't - necessarily - about oscar Weber.  From the moment that the Administration brought in Bob Huggins, the KSU fan base laid it on the f'ing line for KSU.  I'm sorry if this sounds a bit overly important, but once it appeared that there was a commitment to WINNING, regardless of the perception or how straight a tie was, we did everything a fan base could.  We filled up that rough ridin' place, we took part in branding that rough ridin' place the OOD, we supported a goddamn assistant who hadn't done sh*t his entire life because we recognized that this was OUR RISK.  OURS.  Frank's failure was ours.  But we were fine with that because at least the Administration was taking a risk to be excellent.   I'm furious becuase we laid it on the line for KSU and Currie didn't.  He simply didn't.  We gave, Currie took.

I still believe this.

This post is just, wow 

[CNS]

I'm sorry, CC, but you couldn't be more condescending in this thread.  To act as if the avenue for change is through email is utterly patronizing.  To act as if decisions are or will be made because I can press "send" is insulting.  This isn't about Frank Martin, this isn't about a TV analyst, this isn't - necessarily - about oscar Weber.  From the moment that the Administration brought in Bob Huggins, the KSU fan base laid it on the f'ing line for KSU.  I'm sorry if this sounds a bit overly important, but once it appeared that there was a commitment to WINNING, regardless of the perception or how straight a tie was, we did everything a fan base could.  We filled up that rough ridin' place, we took part in branding that rough ridin' place the OOD, we supported a goddamn assistant who hadn't done sh*t his entire life because we recognized that this was OUR RISK.  OURS.  Frank's failure was ours.  But we were fine with that because at least the Administration was taking a risk to be excellent.   I'm furious becuase we laid it on the line for KSU and Currie didn't.  He simply didn't.  We gave, Currie took.

I still believe this.

This post is just, wow 

Yeah, a Zacker masterpiece.

['taterblast]

i'm not even team #bid and i like that post a lot

[Pete]

I'm sorry, CC, but you couldn't be more condescending in this thread.  To act as if the avenue for change is through email is utterly patronizing.  To act as if decisions are or will be made because I can press "send" is insulting.  This isn't about Frank Martin, this isn't about a TV analyst, this isn't - necessarily - about oscar Weber.  From the moment that the Administration brought in Bob Huggins, the KSU fan base laid it on the f'ing line for KSU.  I'm sorry if this sounds a bit overly important, but once it appeared that there was a commitment to WINNING, regardless of the perception or how straight a tie was, we did everything a fan base could.  We filled up that rough ridin' place, we took part in branding that rough ridin' place the OOD, we supported a goddamn assistant who hadn't done sh*t his entire life because we recognized that this was OUR RISK.  OURS.  Frank's failure was ours.  But we were fine with that because at least the Administration was taking a risk to be excellent.   I'm furious becuase we laid it on the line for KSU and Currie didn't.  He simply didn't.  We gave, Currie took.

I still believe this.

This post is just, wow 

Yeah, a Zacker masterpiece.

FWIW, he talks like this in real life too.  It's pretty awesome.

You'll be cruising along, chatting about standard small-talk stuff, and the topic migrates to the Cats...and BAM!  He will lay an exceptionally detailed analysis on you about the particular Cats topic (men's basketball and football only) that you can tell he has thought about a LOT.  If you are a casual fan of the Cats, you should probably not even bring up the Cats to Zacker, because he is going to be about 50 levels above your head....old people really struggle with this when speaking with Zacker about the Cats, it's pretty hilarious.  You need to get your crap rough ridin' straight before you come to Zacker with Cats talk.

[chum1]

I DIDN'T GET TO SEE AMERICAN IDOL LIVE BECAUSE I WATCHED K-STATE BASKETBALL  INSTEAD DAMMIT

[Dr Rick Daris]

reading this thread was frustrating because cc was engaging everyone but me. i think it's because he knows that i'm a better poster than he is.

[kitten_mittons]

I guess what I'm saying is that maybe they thought with Angel starting for the next 3 years that Gray would no longer want to come here and be a 3 year backup.  I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm just saying that it seemed (at the time, and especially now) that Orris was recruited as a warm body for a year.

That part where you said recruiting Orris instead of Gray wasn't a mistake sounded an awful lot like a defense of Weber.

Well, that post was much more about why Orris was here and not why Gray wasn't. I just have a hard time believing that Gray would have wanted to come here to possibly start in 3 years over being a 4 year starter at a school the same size.

[kso_FAN]

I guess what I'm saying is that maybe they thought with Angel starting for the next 3 years that Gray would no longer want to come here and be a 3 year backup.  I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm just saying that it seemed (at the time, and especially now) that Orris was recruited as a warm body for a year.

That part where you said recruiting Orris instead of Gray wasn't a mistake sounded an awful lot like a defense of Weber.

Well, that post was much more about why Orris was here and not why Gray wasn't. I just have a hard time believing that Gray would have wanted to come here to possibly start in 3 years over being a 4 year starter at a school the same size.

It would seem that way, but the problem is the evidence doesn't suggest that was the case: http://www.bringonthecats.com/2012/4/24/2970749/josh-gray-says-k-state-wouldnt-return-his-calls

[Skipper44]

I guess what I'm saying is that maybe they thought with Angel starting for the next 3 years that Gray would no longer want to come here and be a 3 year backup.  I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm just saying that it seemed (at the time, and especially now) that Orris was recruited as a warm body for a year.

That part where you said recruiting Orris instead of Gray wasn't a mistake sounded an awful lot like a defense of Weber.

Well, that post was much more about why Orris was here and not why Gray wasn't. I just have a hard time believing that Gray would have wanted to come here to possibly start in 3 years over being a 4 year starter at a school the same size.

It would seem that way, but the problem is the evidence doesn't suggest that was the case: http://www.bringonthecats.com/2012/4/24/2970749/josh-gray-says-k-state-wouldnt-return-his-calls

and it's not like Gray played for a big AAU program in an important recruiting area or anything.  The whole process is beyond defensible and lends some credence to the UI posters that think Weber has Asperger's or whatever.

[pissclams]

I guess what I'm saying is that maybe they thought with Angel starting for the next 3 years that Gray would no longer want to come here and be a 3 year backup.  I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm just saying that it seemed (at the time, and especially now) that Orris was recruited as a warm body for a year.

That part where you said recruiting Orris instead of Gray wasn't a mistake sounded an awful lot like a defense of Weber.

Well, that post was much more about why Orris was here and not why Gray wasn't. I just have a hard time believing that Gray would have wanted to come here to possibly start in 3 years over being a 4 year starter at a school the same size.

It would seem that way, but the problem is the evidence doesn't suggest that was the case: http://www.bringonthecats.com/2012/4/24/2970749/josh-gray-says-k-state-wouldnt-return-his-calls

and it's not like Gray played for a big AAU program in an important recruiting area or anything.  The whole process is beyond defensible and lends some credence to the UI posters that think Weber has Asperger's or whatever.

i don't think the UI posters have ever claimed that oscar can't recruit.  or maybe they did and i missed it because i was too busy laying it on the line.

[Mr Bread]

I guess what I'm saying is that maybe they thought with Angel starting for the next 3 years that Gray would no longer want to come here and be a 3 year backup.  I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm just saying that it seemed (at the time, and especially now) that Orris was recruited as a warm body for a year.

That part where you said recruiting Orris instead of Gray wasn't a mistake sounded an awful lot like a defense of Weber.

Well, that post was much more about why Orris was here and not why Gray wasn't. I just have a hard time believing that Gray would have wanted to come here to possibly start in 3 years over being a 4 year starter at a school the same size.

It would seem that way, but the problem is the evidence doesn't suggest that was the case: http://www.bringonthecats.com/2012/4/24/2970749/josh-gray-says-k-state-wouldnt-return-his-calls

and it's not like Gray played for a big AAU program in an important recruiting area or anything.  The whole process is beyond defensible and lends some credence to the UI posters that think Weber has Asperger's or whatever.

i don't think the UI posters have ever claimed that oscar can't recruit.  or maybe they did and i missed it because i was too busy laying it on the line.

I don't know what Asperger's has to do with recruiting.  It helped Temple Grandin become a cow genius.  I don't see how that wouldn't also benefit oscar on the 'cruitin' trail. 

Still:

a developmental disorder characterized by severely impaired social skills, repetitive behaviors, and often, a narrow set of interests

[0.42]

chum, I mean you are kind of right.  I mean we can be as self-righteous and self-important as just about any group of people on Earth.  But there was a magic around the basketball program, that was the same kind of magic that was around the football program in the late 90's to early 2000's.

agree, and I can also appreciate what chum is doing here. He's so much better when he doesn't have to reach.

 

[CHONGS]

It was about damn time someone took this place down a peg or two.

Should be goHIGHHORSE.com with all of the smug sons of bitches on here.

[MadCat]

DAMMIT

[CHONGS]

so is "lay it on the line" (in reference to mocking catzacker's post) a meme now?  I suppose if I have to ask....

[Skipper44]

so is "lay it on the line" (in reference to mocking catzacker's post) a meme now?  I suppose if I have to ask....

Man I hope so, it already has it's own theme song where the dude plays a sweet guitar with two necks like this one

[catzacker]

Jerks.