Hiring Process Discussion with CC

[SkinnyBenny]

Yep. #BID.

[catzacker]

I'm sorry, CC, but you couldn't be more condescending in this thread.  To act as if the avenue for change is through email is utterly patronizing.  To act as if decisions are or will be made because I can press "send" is insulting.  This isn't about Frank Martin, this isn't about a TV analyst, this isn't - necessarily - about oscar Weber.  From the moment that the Administration brought in Bob Huggins, the KSU fan base laid it on the f'ing line for KSU.  I'm sorry if this sounds a bit overly important, but once it appeared that there was a commitment to WINNING, regardless of the perception or how straight a tie was, we did everything a fan base could.  We filled up that rough ridin' place, we took part in branding that rough ridin' place the OOD, we supported a goddamn assistant who hadn't done sh*t his entire life because we recognized that this was OUR RISK.  OURS.  Frank's failure was ours.  But we were fine with that because at least the Administration was taking a risk to be excellent.   I'm furious becuase we laid it on the line for KSU and Currie didn't.  He simply didn't.  We gave, Currie took.

I still believe this.

[MakeItRain]

You believe it because it's true.


I wonder how many people, if any have changed their mind in either direction in the last year

[8manpick]

not me

[yoman]

I'm sorry, CC, but you couldn't be more condescending in this thread.  To act as if the avenue for change is through email is utterly patronizing.  To act as if decisions are or will be made because I can press "send" is insulting.  This isn't about Frank Martin, this isn't about a TV analyst, this isn't - necessarily - about oscar Weber.  From the moment that the Administration brought in Bob Huggins, the KSU fan base laid it on the f'ing line for KSU.  I'm sorry if this sounds a bit overly important, but once it appeared that there was a commitment to WINNING, regardless of the perception or how straight a tie was, we did everything a fan base could.  We filled up that rough ridin' place, we took part in branding that rough ridin' place the OOD, we supported a goddamn assistant who hadn't done sh*t his entire life because we recognized that this was OUR RISK.  OURS.  Frank's failure was ours.  But we were fine with that because at least the Administration was taking a risk to be excellent.   I'm furious becuase we laid it on the line for KSU and Currie didn't.  He simply didn't.  We gave, Currie took.

I still believe this.

That's a rough ridin' inspiring post if I've ever seen one. Still angry, still team #BID. The only thing nice about losing in the first round is that it seemed to wake BIDers back up because we had a legitimate talking point as opposed to "wait and see." Do not confuse this, I was not happy we lost, nor was I rooting for us to lose. I was at the Sprint Center in my stoops shirt, cheering like mad for the cats. I could have sworn we had it won too.

[chum1]

I guess I disagree with the part about anyone here LAYING IT ON THE LINE DAMMIT.

[chum1]

WE POSTED OUR ASSES OFF DAMMIT

[chum1]

WE ARRIVED AT THE GAMES HALF AN HOUR EARLY

HALF AN HOUR

[SkinnyBenny]

Was just a matter of time.  This place isn't going to get any more currie-friendly now and it is obvs that CC respects Currie and Currie's work.

  Has nothing to do with Currie. You guys are so pissed about f-ing Gottlieb you've just turned into this total mob mentality over his name. I get that you liked Frank and don't like oscar. Fine. But you guys are praising people who purposefully destroyed K-State property, encouraging people to go to games and boo, thinking of ways to pull funding from facility projects.. I mean, these are things that in no way help K-State, a place you supposedly care about. This is not how you act about a place you love. At all. All because you believe the ends would justify the means? 

I'm sorry, I have zero interest in coming on here now because there's no more room for rational talk about anything. This thread sealed it for me -- if you can't even praise this west side project because of a goddam TV ANALYST not being hired, then there's no point. You're past coherent thought.

K-State always comes first for me, not an AD or a coach. I'm willing to let BW prove his worth before I judge him or Currie's hire. K-State has just had arguably the two best overall seasons in Athletics in school history back-to-back. And some of you I truly believe would physically injure Currie gleefully because a goddam TV ANALYST wasn't hired as a coach. Just... pathetic.

 

i love the fball expansion and the practice facility. they are great achievements and there a lot of aspects of john curries job that i personally think he is really good at. i couldn't be more excited for the bsfs expansions.

i'm also very sad and upset because i'm pretty sure that having a winning basketball team is not on our athletic directors top 20 list of things he wants for the university and it shouldn't be this way.

it's also not as much about gottleib as you are portraying it. it really isn't. not even close. trust me. it just absolutely isn't.

most people (not just people here but kansas state fans in general) wish frank was still the head coach. most here think that frank would still be our head coach if john currie was not appointed as AD three years ago. now would we have the shiny bball practice facility or major upgrade to bsfs? i don't know. pretty sure we'd still have frank though. that's what half of this is about, i think.

the other half is that we really just went out and hired a coach that was given a basketball team full of future nba talent at a top25 basketball school, a school that has never fired a coach before for performance based issues and in three years our new coach managed to give them their worst six years in school history. john was reaching out to weber before frank was even officially gone for crying out loud. why? by all accounts he made no effort. none at all to retain frank. we effectively chased off frank to hire a coach that the university of illinois disliked so much that they paid almost 4 million to him so that he would STOP coaching them. it was not working at illinois and it was not going to work there so they sucked it up, paid the money and moved on. they are not and were not content with being a "bubble" team forever and should be commended for their actions.

there is no reason to think it will work here, none. i also personally don't need to take a wait and see approach to know this. i just don't. i like illinois basketball and i have seen enough over the past five years. i don't need to see five more. i also personally don't feel like i need to support mediocrity even at kstate when i also happen to feel like mediocrity was the goal and not the end result.

This was a really really good post ftr.

[chum1]

WE WATCHED HUGGINS LEAVE ON FLIGHTAWARE DAMMIT

[Stevesie60]

I wonder how many people, if any have changed their mind in either direction in the last year

If we would have beaten the 13 and 12 seed we needed to in order to get to the sweet 16, I would have changed to #teamwaitandsee. Winning the conference this past year is an achievement for any coach, any team, no matter the circumstances. I was really upset about losing to a 13 seed, but the fact that oscar was willing to admit he was wrong about Orris and run him off gave me hope. But man, his excuses about losses are worse than I imagined.

So to sum it up I've gone from #teamburnitdown to somewhere between #teamwaitandsee and #teamburnitdown.

[star seed 7]

I wonder how many people, if any have changed their mind in either direction in the last year

If we would have beaten the 13 and 12 seed we needed to in order to get to the sweet 16, I would have changed to #teamwaitandsee. Winning the conference this past year is an achievement for any coach, any team, no matter the circumstances. I was really upset about losing to a 13 seed, but the fact that oscar was willing to admit he was wrong about Orris and run him off gave me hope. But man, his excuses about losses are worse than I imagined.

So to sum it up I've gone from #teamburnitdown to somewhere between #teamwaitandsee and #teamburnitdown.

#teamhebetterproducesoonorburnitdown

[SwiftCat]

I wonder how many people, if any have changed their mind in either direction in the last year

If we would have beaten the 13 and 12 seed we needed to in order to get to the sweet 16, I would have changed to #teamwaitandsee. Winning the conference this past year is an achievement for any coach, any team, no matter the circumstances. I was really upset about losing to a 13 seed, but the fact that oscar was willing to admit he was wrong about Orris and run him off gave me hope. But man, his excuses about losses are worse than I imagined.

So to sum it up I've gone from #teamburnitdown to somewhere between #teamwaitandsee and #teamburnitdown.

This is pretty much where I am too. Before losing to OSU in the regular season finale, I was higher on oscar than ever. But since the loss to OSU, he's been very disappointing. The excuses and his "i'm the best coach in the world" complex are the worst.

[wetwillie]

man it was just right there though you know?  Doug Gottlieb wanted to coach basketball at Kansas State.  I guess that is what I am still upset about, that we didn't take the risk and chose to go for a band aid.

[ksupamplemousse]

I'm not sure that I'm #BID, but I do think oscar will fail. I guess I'm rational enough to know that there isn't much we can do to ACTUALLY burn it down. oscar not running this thing into the rough ridin' ground is our best hope. If he can keep us in the tourney until he retires or takes another job, then I will be happy with his tenure at K-State. Let's just hope he can be an adequate bridge to a better coach.

[Kat Kid]

chum, I mean you are kind of right.  I mean we can be as self-righteous and self-important as just about any group of people on Earth.  But there was a magic around the basketball program, that was the same kind of magic that was around the football program in the late 90's to early 2000's.

[Cire]

I mean, when i think about this season, all i see is oscar's dumbass face with his mouth open, clicking his tongue on the roof of his mouth with no time left at the Sprint center against rough ridin' lasalle with a time out on the board.   That scene IS kstate bball.

[michigancat]

chum, I mean you are kind of right.  I mean we can be as self-righteous and self-important as just about any group of people on Earth.  But there was a magic around the basketball program, that was the same kind of magic that was around the football program in the late 90's to early 2000's.

agree, and I can also appreciate what chum is doing here. He's so much better when he doesn't have to reach.

[CNS]

crap got real on twitter during our games this year. 

[SkinnyBenny]

Gawd. Lasalle.

[catzacker]

I guess I disagree with the part about anyone here LAYING IT ON THE LINE DAMMIT.

Emotionally and financially, we (the ksu fanbase) did.

[kitten_mittons]

the fact that oscar was willing to admit he was wrong about Orris and run him off gave me hope.

I don't think he was "wrong" about Orris. I'm pretty sure he had the idea that Gray was going somewhere else, so he took Orris because he needed a warm body. I guessed very early in the season that he would get Bruced and would not graduate from KSU.  I think oscar knew this the whole time, so I'm not going to commend him for getting rid of a player that was never good enough to be here anyway.

[Cire]

Did we ever find out who else was interviewed?

[TheHamburglar]

Currie didn't chase off Frank. He did that himself. I would argue Currie was placed in a no win situation with Frank -- would have been actually a tougher PR spot if Frank had stayed because of what would have happened. So if you're blaming Currie for that one, you are misled.

Right.

I can only imagine the public relations nightmare Currie would have had on his hands had Frank Martin remained our coach.

I just love these vague statements after the fact.

Sorry, best I can do here without getting in major hot water. Hopefully can give better detail down the road.

Welp, spill it.

[michigancat]

the fact that oscar was willing to admit he was wrong about Orris and run him off gave me hope.

I don't think he was "wrong" about Orris. I'm pretty sure he had the idea that Gray was going somewhere else, so he took Orris because he needed a warm body. I guessed very early in the season that he would get Bruced and would not graduate from KSU.  I think oscar knew this the whole time, so I'm not going to commend him for getting rid of a player that was never good enough to be here anyway.

Nope, we quit returning Gray's calls after Angel said he was staying, Orris committed like a week later.