Hiring Process Discussion with CC

[HarkCat]

is John all jittery and fast talking and dumb sounding in normal everyday encounters?

this. is he a guy you'd go down to RAB with and have a beverage?

This was the analysis I made when I declared I didn't like Currie a long time ago.

What. the hell. does this have to do with being an AD? Currie is making money for K-State, and lots of it. Sounds like a great deal to me!

It has to do with being an AD because how you represent yourself in a press conference is a big deal. Have you watch Currie's last two press conferences?  Embarrassing. AND, damaging. There has been almost nothing but negative PR about K-State over the last 3 weeks.

But why does K-State need him to be smooth in every press conference? Currie makes decisions and hires that he feels is best for Kansas State. He hasn't let us down so far. There isn't any evidence that indicates that Weber WILL do terrible at K-State. ESPN seems to think it's a great hire. Bad PR? We made it through Power Towels, piss towels, and Ecocat. I think K-State will be just fine.

If you're a sock, this is horrible, if you're not, it's really rough ridin' horrible.

By the way, there was nothing negative about Bill pissing excellence courtside.

Thank you for your relevant contribution to the conversation Barry. I can tell we're gonna be friends. 

[MakeItRain]

is John all jittery and fast talking and dumb sounding in normal everyday encounters?

this. is he a guy you'd go down to RAB with and have a beverage?

This was the analysis I made when I declared I didn't like Currie a long time ago.

What. the hell. does this have to do with being an AD? Currie is making money for K-State, and lots of it. Sounds like a great deal to me!

It has to do with being an AD because how you represent yourself in a press conference is a big deal. Have you watch Currie's last two press conferences?  Embarrassing. AND, damaging. There has been almost nothing but negative PR about K-State over the last 3 weeks.

But why does K-State need him to be smooth in every press conference? Currie makes decisions and hires that he feels is best for Kansas State. He hasn't let us down so far. There isn't any evidence that indicates that Weber WILL do terrible at K-State. ESPN seems to think it's a great hire. Bad PR? We made it through Power Towels, piss towels, and Ecocat. I think K-State will be just fine.

If you're a sock, this is horrible, if you're not, it's really rough ridin' horrible.

By the way, there was nothing negative about Bill pissing excellence courtside.

There was nothing negative about any of those three unless you are a borish crybaby who takes himself too seriously.

[Ira Hayes]

I thought I was done with ranting and venting but I did remember one last thing:

Has anybody asked questions about Upshaw? Why were we led to believe that he signed a LOI?  Was Frank committing a violation when he talked about him? Did Frank do that with all his recruits so he could bail on us at any moment?  Did Angel actually sign a LOI or was he in Frank's back pocket too?

[Stevesie60]

I thought I was done with ranting and venting but I did remember one last thing:

Has anybody asked questions about Upshaw? Why were we led to believe that he signed a LOI?  Was Frank committing a violation when he talked about him? Did Frank do that with all his recruits so he could bail on us at any moment?  Did Angel actually sign a LOI or was he in Frank's back pocket too?

I remember that Angel didn't sign for a long time and some people on here freaked out about it, especially when Frank was campaigning for the Miami job. It got thrown out that Frank had planned it so Angel could follow him to Miami.

[MakeItRain]

I thought I was done with ranting and venting but I did remember one last thing:

Has anybody asked questions about Upshaw? Why were we led to believe that he signed a LOI?  Was Frank committing a violation when he talked about him? Did Frank do that with all his recruits so he could bail on us at any moment?  Did Angel actually sign a LOI or was he in Frank's back pocket too?

Who led you to believe that Upshaw signed a LOI?  We made an assumption, I don't recall a release stating a LOI was signed.  Also Upshaw's mom has stated that it was their decision that they didn't sign the LOI and it was well documented that Angel didn't sign an LOI until deep into the spring.  BTW signing a LOI doesn't guarantee that a kid would come.  I bet that Upshaw signed and he asked to be released then Weber & Currie would have done it.  They would look really rough ridin' dumb if they didn't release a kid from a LOI after the carpet bombing of the "we do things right" campaign.

[Dr Rick Daris]

I thought I was done with ranting and venting but I did remember one last thing:

Has anybody asked questions about Upshaw? Why were we led to believe that he signed a LOI?  Was Frank committing a violation when he talked about him? Did Frank do that with all his recruits so he could bail on us at any moment?  Did Angel actually sign a LOI or was he in Frank's back pocket too?

They would look really rough ridin' dumb if they didn't release a kid from a LOI after the carpet bombing of the "we do things right" campaign.

while i would agree, i'd bet a dollar that they would see it differently.

[MakeItRain]

I thought I was done with ranting and venting but I did remember one last thing:

Has anybody asked questions about Upshaw? Why were we led to believe that he signed a LOI?  Was Frank committing a violation when he talked about him? Did Frank do that with all his recruits so he could bail on us at any moment?  Did Angel actually sign a LOI or was he in Frank's back pocket too?

They would look really rough ridin' dumb if they didn't release a kid from a LOI after the carpet bombing of the "we do things right" campaign.

while i would agree, i'd bet a dollar that they would see it differently.

I think they would have released him because this squad didn't need him to be competitive.  There would have been absolutely nothing gained by not releasing him, he just would have gotten some local to foot his bill at Fresno for a year or he would have went to a community college for a year.

[kostakio]

I thought I was done with ranting and venting but I did remember one last thing:

Has anybody asked questions about Upshaw? Why were we led to believe that he signed a LOI?  Was Frank committing a violation when he talked about him? Did Frank do that with all his recruits so he could bail on us at any moment?  Did Angel actually sign a LOI or was he in Frank's back pocket too?

Upshaw signed a grant in aid agreement not a LOI.  It is binding to the school but not the player.  A school is allowed to talk about a player that has signed a grant in aid so it was not a violation.  No idea if it was frank's plan in case he bolted or if it was Upshaw's idea.  My suspicion is the latter but I do think he encouraged Angel not to sign until the last moment last year.

[Ira Hayes]

Who led you to believe that Upshaw signed a LOI?

Frank did when he commented on the kids we signed in the fall.

I thought I was done with ranting and venting but I did remember one last thing:

Has anybody asked questions about Upshaw? Why were we led to believe that he signed a LOI?  Was Frank committing a violation when he talked about him? Did Frank do that with all his recruits so he could bail on us at any moment?  Did Angel actually sign a LOI or was he in Frank's back pocket too?

Who led you to believe that Upshaw signed a LOI?  We made an assumption, I don't recall a release stating a LOI was signed.  Also Upshaw's mom has stated that it was their decision that they didn't sign the LOI and it was well documented that Angel didn't sign an LOI until deep into the spring.  BTW signing a LOI doesn't guarantee that a kid would come.  I bet that Upshaw signed and he asked to be released then Weber & Currie would have done it.  They would look really rough ridin' dumb if they didn't release a kid from a LOI after the carpet bombing of the "we do things right" campaign.

I thought he had to sign a LOI before Frank could make any comments about him.  Is that incorrect?  Because Frank sure as hell did comment on him.

I do remember Angel waiting. I don't remember if Frank commented about him before Angel signed it.

[HarkCat]

is John all jittery and fast talking and dumb sounding in normal everyday encounters?

this. is he a guy you'd go down to RAB with and have a beverage?

This was the analysis I made when I declared I didn't like Currie a long time ago.

What. the hell. does this have to do with being an AD? Currie is making money for K-State, and lots of it. Sounds like a great deal to me!

It has to do with being an AD because how you represent yourself in a press conference is a big deal. Have you watch Currie's last two press conferences?  Embarrassing. AND, damaging. There has been almost nothing but negative PR about K-State over the last 3 weeks.

But why does K-State need him to be smooth in every press conference? Currie makes decisions and hires that he feels is best for Kansas State. He hasn't let us down so far. There isn't any evidence that indicates that Weber WILL do terrible at K-State. ESPN seems to think it's a great hire. Bad PR? We made it through Power Towels, piss towels, and Ecocat. I think K-State will be just fine.

If you're a sock, this is horrible, if you're not, it's really rough ridin' horrible.

By the way, there was nothing negative about Bill pissing excellence courtside.

There was nothing negative about any of those three unless you are a borish crybaby who takes himself too seriously.

Curries last two press conferences were described as "embarrassing and damaging." I will admit my examples were more embarrassing than damaging, but how will this "bad PR" damage K-State in a way it won't recover? What do you think?

[MakeItRain]

Who led you to believe that Upshaw signed a LOI?

Frank did when he commented on the kids we signed in the fall.

I thought I was done with ranting and venting but I did remember one last thing:

Has anybody asked questions about Upshaw? Why were we led to believe that he signed a LOI?  Was Frank committing a violation when he talked about him? Did Frank do that with all his recruits so he could bail on us at any moment?  Did Angel actually sign a LOI or was he in Frank's back pocket too?

Who led you to believe that Upshaw signed a LOI?  We made an assumption, I don't recall a release stating a LOI was signed.  Also Upshaw's mom has stated that it was their decision that they didn't sign the LOI and it was well documented that Angel didn't sign an LOI until deep into the spring.  BTW signing a LOI doesn't guarantee that a kid would come.  I bet that Upshaw signed and he asked to be released then Weber & Currie would have done it.  They would look really rough ridin' dumb if they didn't release a kid from a LOI after the carpet bombing of the "we do things right" campaign.

I thought he had to sign a LOI before Frank could make any comments about him.  Is that incorrect?  Because Frank sure as hell did comment on him.

I do remember Angel waiting. I don't remember if Frank commented about him before Angel signed it.

The rule is that you can't comment on prospective student athletes.  I would assume that signing a LOI isn't the threshold for no longer being a prospective student athlete since you aren't required to ever sign a LOI, the LOI system isn't overseen by the NCAA, its a third party deal.  That being said I don't ever remember hearing or reading a quote from Frank in which he mentions the name Robert Upshaw.

[captaincrap]

CC:  I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you do understand that when Currie says at the PC that "Frank and I had a great relationship", every other thing that comes out of his mouth is just assumed to be bullshit, right?  Then when you get on here and defend his honesty with us (the fans), when we know he has lied to us numerous times ("Frank and I had a great relationship", "no predetermined parameters - no wait, head coaching experience", "Turner provided us with the info - no wait, I got this call from Gene Keady out of the blue") it makes me (and I assume others although I'm not going to speak for them) think you are likely full of crap as well?  Follow?

"Frank and I had a great relationship" -- does no one any good to bash the other guy. Both men took the high road. Did they overstate? Maybe. But come on, this isn't a lie -- it's being an adult. If you're going to call JC a liar for this, you'd have to call Frank a liar too, he did the same thing. I think both guys did the mature, correct thing: be gracious and move on.

"no predetermined parameters - no wait, head coaching experience" -- like I stated earlier, I believe the head coaching exp became something he looked for once process already started, not before.

"Turner provided us with the info - no wait, I got this call from Gene Keady out of the blue" -- Turner gets paid for lots of things, including tips on candidates. But just as often it is to weed out those who aren't legitimate candidates, act as a screener, discuss terms with agents etc. Lot of detail type stuff. Don't view this as a lie.

[8manpick]

CC:  I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you do understand that when Currie says at the PC that "Frank and I had a great relationship", every other thing that comes out of his mouth is just assumed to be bullshit, right?  Then when you get on here and defend his honesty with us (the fans), when we know he has lied to us numerous times ("Frank and I had a great relationship", "no predetermined parameters - no wait, head coaching experience", "Turner provided us with the info - no wait, I got this call from Gene Keady out of the blue") it makes me (and I assume others although I'm not going to speak for them) think you are likely full of crap as well?  Follow?

"Frank and I had a great relationship" -- does no one any good to bash the other guy. Both men took the high road. Did they overstate? Maybe. But come on, this isn't a lie -- it's being an adult. If you're going to call JC a liar for this, you'd have to call Frank a liar too, he did the same thing. I think both guys did the mature, correct thing: be gracious and move on.

Ahh, just following the old saying "if you don't have anything nice to say, lie your ass off."

[steve dave]

Yeah, nobody is claiming that Frank isn't a huge liar because he definitely is. 

[8manpick]

Yeah, nobody is claiming that Frank isn't a huge liar because he definitely is.

Loyalty! Honesty! Integrity! Math!

[captaincrap]

Yeah, nobody is claiming that Frank isn't a huge liar because he definitely is.

It seems like this "relationship" line from JC gets pointed to on here a lot as a tipping point, where from then on you don't believe a word he says about anything. Which I don't get. I don't think either of them "lied" on this particular point, but whatever.

[steve dave]

Yeah, nobody is claiming that Frank isn't a huge liar because he definitely is.

It seems like this "relationship" line from JC gets pointed to on here a lot as a tipping point, where from then on you don't believe a word he says about anything. Which I don't get. I don't think either of them "lied" on this particular point, but whatever.

I'm not the one beating that drum.  I think it's a dumb talking point.  I would be mocking him if he said at a press conference that they didn't like each other. 

[8manpick]

I don't think either of them "lied" on this particular point, but whatever.

This isn't as big a deal to me than others I don't think, but i'm not sure how you can take this stance. Either they had a great working relationship, or they lied.

[steve dave]

I don't think either of them "lied" on this particular point, but whatever.

This isn't as big a deal to me than others I don't think, but i'm not sure how you can take this stance. Either they had a great working relationship, or they lied.

they lied.  just like any non-dumbass would have in the exact same situation.  you don't go out and tell the public you had a strained working relationship with an employer/employee.  you both be men about it and verbally shake hands and move on.   

[fr@ck me]

CC:  I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you do understand that when Currie says at the PC that "Frank and I had a great relationship", every other thing that comes out of his mouth is just assumed to be bullshit, right?  Then when you get on here and defend his honesty with us (the fans), when we know he has lied to us numerous times ("Frank and I had a great relationship", "no predetermined parameters - no wait, head coaching experience", "Turner provided us with the info - no wait, I got this call from Gene Keady out of the blue") it makes me (and I assume others although I'm not going to speak for them) think you are likely full of crap as well?  Follow?

"Frank and I had a great relationship" -- does no one any good to bash the other guy. Both men took the high road. Did they overstate? Maybe. But come on, this isn't a lie -- it's being an adult. If you're going to call JC a liar for this, you'd have to call Frank a liar too, he did the same thing. I think both guys did the mature, correct thing: be gracious and move on.

"no predetermined parameters - no wait, head coaching experience" -- like I stated earlier, I believe the head coaching exp became something he looked for once process already started, not before.

"Turner provided us with the info - no wait, I got this call from Gene Keady out of the blue" -- Turner gets paid for lots of things, including tips on candidates. But just as often it is to weed out those who aren't legitimate candidates, act as a screener, discuss terms with agents etc. Lot of detail type stuff. Don't view this as a lie.

You guys know what really would have helped us get a better coach?  If Currie would have come out and said "yeah that Frank Martin was a real ass and we didn't get along.  Apparently he didn't like me telling him not to curse so much on the sideline or straightening his tie.  Glad that douche is gone".  Yeah that would have been way better then taking the high road.

[captaincrap]

I don't think either of them "lied" on this particular point, but whatever.

This isn't as big a deal to me than others I don't think, but i'm not sure how you can take this stance. Either they had a great working relationship, or they lied.

they lied.  just like any non-dumbass would have in the exact same situation.  you don't go out and tell the public you had a strained working relationship with an employer/employee.  you both be men about it and verbally shake hands and move on.

Exactly. I honestly don't see how anyone would want either of them to handle it differently.

[Rams]

I don't think either of them "lied" on this particular point, but whatever.

This isn't as big a deal to me than others I don't think, but i'm not sure how you can take this stance. Either they had a great working relationship, or they lied.

they lied.  just like any non-dumbass would have in the exact same situation.  you don't go out and tell the public you had a strained working relationship with an employer/employee.  you both be men about it and verbally shake hands and move on.

Exactly. I honestly don't see how anyone would want either of them to handle it differently.

Yeah.  This stupid conversation about how Currie lied about their relationship needs to stop.  It's getting in the way of more productive criticisms and dialogue.

[michigancat]

I don't think either of them "lied" on this particular point, but whatever.

This isn't as big a deal to me than others I don't think, but i'm not sure how you can take this stance. Either they had a great working relationship, or they lied.

they lied.  just like any non-dumbass would have in the exact same situation.  you don't go out and tell the public you had a strained working relationship with an employer/employee.  you both be men about it and verbally shake hands and move on.

Exactly. I honestly don't see how anyone would want either of them to handle it differently.

How about doing the true mature, responsible thing and not allowing their relationship to get to a point where Frank goes to South Carolina? The fact that Frank took this particular job says more about how both are immature dickheads  than any public statement possibly could.

[Dugout DickStone]

Yeah, nobody is claiming that Frank isn't a huge liar because he definitely is.

It seems like this "relationship" line from JC gets pointed to on here a lot as a tipping point, where from then on you don't believe a word he says about anything. Which I don't get. I don't think either of them "lied" on this particular point, but whatever.

The tipping point for me was "trash, floor, wait...it was the floortrash"

Also, the claim that the NCAA suspended Jamar first.

[steve dave]

I don't think either of them "lied" on this particular point, but whatever.

This isn't as big a deal to me than others I don't think, but i'm not sure how you can take this stance. Either they had a great working relationship, or they lied.

they lied.  just like any non-dumbass would have in the exact same situation.  you don't go out and tell the public you had a strained working relationship with an employer/employee.  you both be men about it and verbally shake hands and move on.

Exactly. I honestly don't see how anyone would want either of them to handle it differently.

How about doing the true mature, responsible thing and not allowing their relationship to get to a point where Frank goes to South Carolina? The fact that Frank took this particular job says more about how both are immature dickheads  than any public statement possibly could.