Hiring Process Discussion with CC

[Thecatwhisperer]

What if the puppy runs away before you had to have it put down?

you really should be prepping for your presser on friday

Have you seen my press conferences?  I don't need to prep.  I just practice my fake smile for 15 seconds in front of the mirror and I'm golden.

[Fedor]

I not trying to convince you guys to like BW or even JC. I've said repeatedly that I'm not defending the hire.

cc, you obviously are defending the hire, and pretty vigorously.  the less you lie the more credibility you retain.

I've never said one thing about BW other than to say he hasn't coached a game here. Never once said it was a good or bad hire, never once said the phrase "give it time", never once said anything about how well he will do, never once made an excuse for his record at Illinois. Just because you might disagree with me doesn't make me a liar.

This thread has devolved into exactly what pissed me off at the beginning -- if someone doesn't agree with your preconceived notion that Currie is evil, they are shouted down by the mob. All I've done is tried to give you guys some added info in the hope that it would cause some of you to back away from the ledge. It clearly hasn't worked.

I've pointed out that Currie and by extension the AthDept could have and should have done better with things over the last month. I'm also privy to information surrounding those events that you are not, and I know the result of that is that you and I will have different interpretations. I don't expect you to ever be real happy with Jamargate or Frank's exit, because odds are you will only have the current public info -- which doesn't paint a pretty picture of K-State. I've tried to give as much insight as possible to help provide context, at risk to me.

JC pledged transparency in contractual and financial reporting. He did not promise to reveal every private detail on every employee or athlete. When he believes that he shouldn't discuss details because it would bring harm to the University or individuals, he isn't lying -- he's protecting K-State. Which I would argue is one of his job requirements.

So the public info paints a truly awful picture of KSU and has essentially crushed the positive momentum of at least the last decade but Currie is somehow protecting the university by allowing that picture to stand?  Barring things like Frank choking bitches out in practice or organized gang rapes of the cheerleading squad (think "KSU circa mid 1970s") about the only thing that would be worse than the public perception of KSU that Currie has created in the past month would be actual & ongoing massive NCAA violations.  But Currie is a compliance nazi ... isn't he?  Or is he making a big deal out of one small matter to divert attention from a much larger, known & until recently, ongoing, problem? 

I can think of a few scenarios:


Option A:

Currie learns that Malone has been spotting the Assault guys a little folding money before extended road trips and confronts Frank who says, "GTFOOMF!  He's not a booster, he's not an agent, he's not affiliated with the university, he has relationships with these kids that go all the way back to grade school so there's no way this is a violation.  He's a friend to these kids, what he's doing is in no way shape or form wrong." 

Currie's polka dot bowtie revs up to 1500 RPM, the little beanie on his head explodes and he balls up his tiny fists in rage as he storms out; he retreats to his office and dons his Sherlock Holmes hat & junior decoder ring since the game is quite obviously afoot.  After rereading a few titles from his extensive Hardy Boys collection he dispatches minions with connections to the team to discover the extent of the problem & the mechanism of transfer, "Ah ha!  Western Union at Dillons is it?  And more than just Malone & the Assault guys?  Well, Professor Moriarity ... err Frank, this shall not stand!"  Pulling out his trusty dog-eared paper copy of the Manhattan (KS) Yellow Pages he discovers, in less than a half hour, the telephone number of the Western Union office in the relevant Dillons. 

And the rest, as they say, is history: Currie switches out his Sherlock Holmes hat for his compliance Nazi hat & burns Jamar & Frank very publicly making an enormous show of KSU's fast, efficient & brutal compliance efforts in hopes of burying the pervasive violations that would have resulted in extreme penalties perhaps including a number of players being ruled ineligible next season.  Frank is shown the door & told to take every trace of his trashy program with him, he's become purely a liability to KSU and the university can't afford to allow anyone affiliated with this mess to remain lest it taint their efforts to control any future outbreaks of the problems Frank created.  Frank takes the best-available BCS gig he can find along with the high road and rides out of town a huge winner.


Option B:

Numerous players confront Currie & threaten to transfer en masse unless Frank is shown the door.


Option C:

Option B is fabricated by Currie & astroturfed by the athletic department to explain Frank's hasty departure, their refusal to even attempt to retain the winningest coach in KSU hoops history (first 5 years) & divert attention way from the real story which is, of course, some variant of Option A.


Option A, while fiction, or some variant of it makes a great deal of sense.  Anyone believe that Malone would send money to Jamar and only Jamar and that Jamar would be the only one to ask if it was widely known that such money was available?  Yeah, didn't think so.  Receipt in the trash?  Really Currie?  You expect ANYONE to believe that?  No.  It was clearly an investigation by the athletic department that resulted in the receipt coming into your office in that manner and that quickly.  Would probably be a tossup as to whether the consequences of this or the consequences of pushing Frank out would be worse for KSU in the long run. 

Option B makes no sense.  While it would look even worse for KSU than the present public story the cure is simple: fire John Currie immediately because he clearly is not in control of his own department.  No muss, no fuss & no problem at all for KSU who would be one presser & one AD tossed under the bus away from restoring its reputation.  Mostly.

Opction C has some legs IMHO.  I can't imagine Currie is actually this slimey but if he is I say we give him a lifetime contract!  So guys if you suddenly see me praising Currie & supporting the Weber hire ....

This needs more attention imo.

[FP TC etc.]

This thread turned really weird.

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is John all jittery and fast talking and dumb sounding in normal everyday encounters?

this. is he a guy you'd go down to RAB with and have a beverage?

This was the analysis I made when I declared I didn't like Currie a long time ago.

[HarkCat]

is John all jittery and fast talking and dumb sounding in normal everyday encounters?

this. is he a guy you'd go down to RAB with and have a beverage?

This was the analysis I made when I declared I didn't like Currie a long time ago.

What. the hell. does this have to do with being an AD? Currie is making money for K-State, and lots of it. Sounds like a great deal to me!

[SkinnyBenny]

is John all jittery and fast talking and dumb sounding in normal everyday encounters?

this. is he a guy you'd go down to RAB with and have a beverage?

This was the analysis I made when I declared I didn't like Currie a long time ago.

What. the hell. does this have to do with being an AD? Currie is making money for K-State, and lots of it. Sounds like a great deal to me!

It has to do with being an AD because how you represent yourself in a press conference is a big deal. Have you watch Currie's last two press conferences?  Embarrassing. AND, damaging. There has been almost nothing but negative PR about K-State over the last 3 weeks. 

[Barry McCockner]

I choose to believe this is all fear mongering unless there is one shred of evidence provided.  JC is slime, a liar, a manipulator.  If he touches the football hire crap will burn (and not like some said it will burn last week but it didn't, it really will burn).

Unless CC is lying to us and he's being paid by Currie to spin things for us here (possible, but unlikely), I believe him when he says he can't go into any more detail than he has.

Agree to disagree.  I have no reason to believe anything that comes out of the AD and wouldn't be surprised if they had a guy or two to spin things.  They haven't exactly been 100% honest lately.

I disagree with you here. I don't think they have been dishonest in any malicious way, they are trying to protect K-State. I think they have been as honest as they feel they can. In fact, I would say that to some degree their fear of saying something inaccurate has led to being overly cautious of saying anything at all, which has led to situations like Pittsburgh where silence didn't help at all.

CC:  I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you do understand that when Currie says at the PC that "Frank and I had a great relationship", every other thing that comes out of his mouth is just assumed to be bullshit, right?  Then when you get on here and defend his honesty with us (the fans), when we know he has lied to us numerous times ("Frank and I had a great relationship", "no predetermined parameters - no wait, head coaching experience", "Turner provided us with the info - no wait, I got this call from Gene Keady out of the blue") it makes me (and I assume others although I'm not going to speak for them) think you are likely full of crap as well?  Follow?

[Dugout DickStone]

captain, i'm trying to read between the lines.  one simple question - is k-state in danger of sanctions because of the actions of Frank Martin and/or his staff?

Don't know yet.

Holy crap.

Currie sat by and let Frank cheat, to the extent that we may get sanctioned by the NCAA? 

If SC hadn't came along and offered Frank a job he'd still be at KSU?

Currie is a bigger danger go our school and should be fired.  Not tomorrow, not next week but today before he idly sits by while another coach gets us sanctioned.

[Barry McCockner]

captain, i'm trying to read between the lines.  one simple question - is k-state in danger of sanctions because of the actions of Frank Martin and/or his staff?

Don't know yet.

Holy crap.

Currie sat by and let Frank cheat, to the extent that we may get sanctioned by the NCAA? 

If SC hadn't came along and offered Frank a job he'd still be at KSU?

Currie is a bigger danger go our school and should be fired.  Not tomorrow, not next week but today before he idly sits by while another coach gets us sanctioned.

WE MAY HAVE A WAY OUT!!!

[Dugout DickStone]

I don't see why anyone expects the full inner workings of the KSU AD will be played out on a lighted stage.   No one likes seeing the sausage made, and no one should watch.   Being "transparent" as Currie called it means not fostering a culture where secret buyouts are done, not getting goEMAW's approval of the concession prices at Tointon.

When the sausage sucks and has crap in it, I think we should check the sausage machine.

[Barry McCockner]

I don't see why anyone expects the full inner workings of the KSU AD will be played out on a lighted stage.   No one likes seeing the sausage made, and no one should watch.   Being "transparent" as Currie called it means not fostering a culture where secret buyouts are done, not getting goEMAW's approval of the concession prices at Tointon.

When the sausage sucks and has crap in it, I think we should check the sausage machine.

...and there ends the sausage discussion. 

[Ira Hayes]

captain, i'm trying to read between the lines.  one simple question - is k-state in danger of sanctions because of the actions of Frank Martin and/or his staff?

Don't know yet.

Holy crap.

Currie sat by and let Frank cheat, to the extent that we may get sanctioned by the NCAA? 

If SC hadn't came along and offered Frank a job he'd still be at KSU?

Currie is a bigger danger go our school and should be fired.  Not tomorrow, not next week but today before he idly sits by while another coach gets us sanctioned.

No.  Currie is the hero.  All we know about is the one receipt that was found on the ground/trash which obviously required him to suspend Jamar and end our season.

But there is a much bigger story here.  A story nobody has ever heard before.  It seems that some of the sponsors of AAU teams have become friends with the kids and they help them out.  Even after they go off to NCAA institutions. Absolutely shocking, right?  Curtis Malone is just the tip of the iceburg.  Nobody knows right now how many schools will get the death penalty, but it might be a lot of them.

Jamar Samuels is just the very first one that has ever been caught.  I know, I know, you are all shocked.  But John Currie is going to bring the whole corrupted system crashing down.  Currie may have to self report all the transgressions that student athletes at Kansas State were involved in, KSU may go on probation, but that is a small price to pay for justice. 

John Currie is single handedly saving college basketball.  He should be hailed as a hero and nothing less.

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HE'S PUTTING THE WHOLE SYSTEM ON TRIAL!

[bruce]

Guys, this crap could go all the way up to the Vice President of the United States.

[Dugout DickStone]

captain, i'm trying to read between the lines.  one simple question - is k-state in danger of sanctions because of the actions of Frank Martin and/or his staff?

Don't know yet.

Holy crap.

Currie sat by and let Frank cheat, to the extent that we may get sanctioned by the NCAA? 

If SC hadn't came along and offered Frank a job he'd still be at KSU?

Currie is a bigger danger go our school and should be fired.  Not tomorrow, not next week but today before he idly sits by while another coach gets us sanctioned.

No.  Currie is the hero.  All we know about is the one receipt that was found on the ground/trash which obviously required him to suspend Jamar and end our season.

But there is a much bigger story here.  A story nobody has ever heard before.  It seems that some of the sponsors of AAU teams have become friends with the kids and they help them out.  Even after they go off to NCAA institutions. Absolutely shocking, right?  Curtis Malone is just the tip of the iceburg.  Nobody knows right now how many schools will get the death penalty, but it might be a lot of them.

Jamar Samuels is just the very first one that has ever been caught.  I know, I know, you are all shocked.  But John Currie is going to bring the whole corrupted system crashing down.  Currie may have to self report all the transgressions that student athletes at Kansas State were involved in, KSU may go on probation, but that is a small price to pay for justice. 

John Currie is single handedly saving college basketball.  He should be hailed as a hero and nothing less.

Luckily the first he ever heard this was going on was Saturday, March 17.

[nicname]

Maybe we are all wrong.  Maybe JC doesn't want to be a big time AD.  Maybe what he wants it to become head of the NCAA rulebook committee!

 

[Cire]

Maybe we are all wrong.  Maybe JC doesn't want to be a big time AD.  Maybe what he wants it to become head of the NCAA rulebook committee!

 

I think that ncaa or conference office is his goal

[nicname]

Maybe we are all wrong.  Maybe JC doesn't want to be a big time AD.  Maybe what he wants it to become head of the NCAA rulebook committee!

 

I think that ncaa or conference office is his goal

The theory has been in my head for a while now. 

[AzCat]

Guys, this crap could go all the way up to the Vice President of the United States.

I blame Sarah Palin. 

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is John all jittery and fast talking and dumb sounding in normal everyday encounters?

this. is he a guy you'd go down to RAB with and have a beverage?

This was the analysis I made when I declared I didn't like Currie a long time ago.

What. the hell. does this have to do with being an AD?

Nothing.  I just don't like him.  It's kind of my thing.

[EMAWesome]

Maybe we are all wrong.  Maybe JC doesn't want to be a big time AD.  Maybe what he wants it to become head of the NCAA rulebook committee!

 

I think that ncaa or conference office is his goal

The theory has been in my head for a while now.

If that was/is the goal, isn't Nineass stepping down? Maybe he'll be gone from MHK & @ the BXII offices in Dallas by the end of the year?

[naturalselection]

I think that ncaa office is his goal

Maybe he already is?  Cleaning up college athletics 21 Jump Street style.  As demonstrated he has a red phone line straight into the NCAA decision makers.  Cuts through months of investigation/report/ruling red tape over night.  Maybe that's why he's been so sketchy on the Jamar thingy.  Too close to blowing his cover.  Also would explain cc's nebulous "ongoing discussions" comments. 

[HarkCat]

is John all jittery and fast talking and dumb sounding in normal everyday encounters?

this. is he a guy you'd go down to RAB with and have a beverage?

This was the analysis I made when I declared I didn't like Currie a long time ago.

What. the hell. does this have to do with being an AD? Currie is making money for K-State, and lots of it. Sounds like a great deal to me!

It has to do with being an AD because how you represent yourself in a press conference is a big deal. Have you watch Currie's last two press conferences?  Embarrassing. AND, damaging. There has been almost nothing but negative PR about K-State over the last 3 weeks.

But why does K-State need him to be smooth in every press conference? Currie makes decisions and hires that he feels is best for Kansas State. He hasn't let us down so far. There isn't any evidence that indicates that Weber WILL do terrible at K-State. ESPN seems to think it's a great hire. Bad PR? We made it through Power Towels, piss towels, and Ecocat. I think K-State will be just fine.

[SkinnyBenny]

We need him, at the very least, to not lie through his teeth (which everyone knows he did) and crap his pants on camera.

[Barry McCockner]

is John all jittery and fast talking and dumb sounding in normal everyday encounters?

this. is he a guy you'd go down to RAB with and have a beverage?

This was the analysis I made when I declared I didn't like Currie a long time ago.

What. the hell. does this have to do with being an AD? Currie is making money for K-State, and lots of it. Sounds like a great deal to me!

It has to do with being an AD because how you represent yourself in a press conference is a big deal. Have you watch Currie's last two press conferences?  Embarrassing. AND, damaging. There has been almost nothing but negative PR about K-State over the last 3 weeks.

But why does K-State need him to be smooth in every press conference? Currie makes decisions and hires that he feels is best for Kansas State. He hasn't let us down so far. There isn't any evidence that indicates that Weber WILL do terrible at K-State. ESPN seems to think it's a great hire. Bad PR? We made it through Power Towels, piss towels, and Ecocat. I think K-State will be just fine.

If you're a sock, this is horrible, if you're not, it's really rough ridin' horrible.

By the way, there was nothing negative about Bill pissing excellence courtside.