Hiring Process Discussion with CC

[captaincrap]

I choose to believe this is all fear mongering unless there is one shred of evidence provided.  JC is slime, a liar, a manipulator.  If he touches the football hire crap will burn (and not like some said it will burn last week but it didn't, it really will burn).

Unless CC is lying to us and he's being paid by Currie to spin things for us here (possible, but unlikely), I believe him when he says he can't go into any more detail than he has.

Agree to disagree.  I have no reason to believe anything that comes out of the AD and wouldn't be surprised if they had a guy or two to spin things.  They haven't exactly been 100% honest lately.

I disagree with you here. I don't think they have been dishonest in any malicious way, they are trying to protect K-State. I think they have been as honest as they feel they can. In fact, I would say that to some degree their fear of saying something inaccurate has led to being overly cautious of saying anything at all, which has led to situations like Pittsburgh where silence didn't help at all.

[bruce]

1) Had we let Currie go and kept Frank, would KSU be in any different position than other Big XII teams with regard to the NCAA?
2) Why are many of the responses perpetuating the loyal to Frank or loyal to Currie argument?  Trying to be divisive?  Why can't we try to figure out what the F went on?
3) When it's all said and done, isn't it easier to bring another Currie to KSU than another Frank?  If one HAD to go due to their pissing match, why wasn't the decision made to let Currie GTFO?

[SkinnyBenny]

JC pledged transparency in contractual and financial reporting. He did not promise to reveal every private detail on every employee or athlete.

I suppose that's fair, but if that's true, why did it take a FOIA request for him to reveal that he paid $40,000 to that coaching service (only for us to wind up with oscar Weber)? Would he eventually have gotten around to revealing that information on his own had a request not been filed?

Also, just a more general question, what's it like to work for JC? How is he as a boss, in non-work aspects of life, and as compared to other athletic directors you've worked for?  If you don't want to answer publicly then I will gladly accept a PM and keep it very insider-y. tia.

[captaincrap]

JC pledged transparency in contractual and financial reporting. He did not promise to reveal every private detail on every employee or athlete.

I suppose that's fair, but if that's true, why did it take a FOIA request for him to reveal that he paid $40,000 to that coaching service (only for us to wind up with oscar Weber)? Would he eventually have gotten around to revealing that information on his own had a request not been filed?

He said in the PC that we would release the figures on the headhunter. Kellis beat him to it.

[naturalselection]

My guess:  Curtis Malone did not suddenly get the urge to send a one-time only payment to Jamar Samuels.

How many people ever believed it was a one time thing?

That doesn't fit though.  Unless Frank (and/or his staff) had knowledge of it and didn't report that to the AD.  What cc is telling us is that these potential problems that we are having ongoing conversations about (however you want to read that) are directly linked to Frank Martin and/or his staff. 

[steve dave]

great thread. this really shows what you get for your goEMAW premium subscription.

[AzCat]

[JavaCat]

UPKS received a call from the NCAA about 2 minutes after Frank announced on national TV that he paid players in high school.  The NCAA said that was a very stupid thing Frank just did.  Frank knew at this point he was gone.  What purpose did he have for opening that can of worms? Sure didn't help K-State.

I'm catching up with this thread so I'm sure this has been pointed out already but just in case it hasn't:

The second part of this post has absolutely no credibility because the first half is an out and out lie.  Frank never said he paid players.  Also who from the NCAA would unilaterally call Schulz or anyone else, that isn't at all how NCAA enforcement works.

True, he said he gave money to kids who played for him in the past, later on when they needed money.  Neither did Frank say he paid players who were currently playing for him, nor did he say he gave money to NCAA athletes.  If my high school coach were to wire me $10,000 tomorrow there would be no issue with anyone, anywhere.  I'm pretty sure he never said "paid", he said he gave money to those who were running short on it.  Paid implies services in return for money, which is not what Frank said was happening.

I too have no need to tear down Frank, but I don't think we have any idea whether they were NCAA athletes. We know he sent money to his high school players when they were in college. Either way, he probably should've just not said anything at all or just stated his belief that players deserved to be paid something. Anything about sending money to players is going to raise a red flag by the NCAA whether it was against a rule or not. Here's his quote:

I coached 16 years in the same inner city in Miami that I grew up in. Do you know how much money I sent to kids that played for me in high school when they were in college because I knew where they came from?" Martin said, according to a transcript of the broadcast published by the Kansas City Star. "I knew they didn't have a father figure."

[naturalselection]

I disagree with you here. I don't think they have been dishonest in any malicious way, they are trying to protect K-State. I think they have been as honest as they feel they can. In fact, I would say that to some degree their fear of saying something inaccurate has led to being overly cautious of saying anything at all, which has led to situations like Pittsburgh where silence didn't help at all.

I don't think that is a fair statement.  From what I can tell, John Currie has no problem being dishonest in order to frame John Currie in the best possible light.  If that happens to coincide with the best interests of KSU, all the better.   

[Catchup]

1. Why are we pissed about $40,000?
2. Are we on par with KU etc. in assistant pay?
3. Do we have a legit shot at Jerrance Howard?
4. I still like Jamar.
5. Can we still like Frank, hope the best for him and stay EMAW?
6. Will Currie give the job to Dimel?

[bruce]

6. Will Currie give the job to Dimel?

[michigancat]

Even if everything cc is saying is true, it reeks of incompetence from Currie at an important part of his job.

[naturalselection]

So the public info paints a truly awful picture of KSU and has essentially crushed the positive momentum of at least the last decade but Currie is somehow protecting the university by allowing that picture to stand?...........So guys if you suddenly see me praising Currie & supporting the Weber hire ....

Masterpiece. Az is on an mvp hot streak imo. 

[captaincrap]

I disagree with you here. I don't think they have been dishonest in any malicious way, they are trying to protect K-State. I think they have been as honest as they feel they can. In fact, I would say that to some degree their fear of saying something inaccurate has led to being overly cautious of saying anything at all, which has led to situations like Pittsburgh where silence didn't help at all.

I don't think that is a fair statement.  From what I can tell, John Currie has no problem being dishonest in order to frame John Currie in the best possible light.  If that happens to coincide with the best interests of KSU, all the better.   

Ok. I disagree.

[pissclams]

there are some things, like sausages, you don't want to see made.

[Catchup]

How does Currie explain what he did to the Jews in Auschwitz? No wonder he hated Gottleib and Pearl.

[0.42]

this needs to be added here

also this

[Mikeyis4dcats]

I don't see why anyone expects the full inner workings of the KSU AD will be played out on a lighted stage.   No one likes seeing the sausage made, and no one should watch.   Being "transparent" as Currie called it means not fostering a culture where secret buyouts are done, not getting goEMAW's approval of the concession prices at Tointon.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

there are some things, like sausages, you don't want to see made.

LOL, we had the same thought at the same time.

[steve dave]

Here's the thing guys, the inside of KState is like a gross sausage factory filled with gross parts and gross people making delicious sausage.  Just eat the damn sausage.  You DO NOT want to see how it's made. 

[steve dave]

there are some things, like sausages, you don't want to see made.

I don't see why anyone expects the full inner workings of the KSU AD will be played out on a lighted stage.   No one likes seeing the sausage made, and no one should watch.   Being "transparent" as Currie called it means not fostering a culture where secret buyouts are done, not getting goEMAW's approval of the concession prices at Tointon.

WHOAA!  HAHA!  WHAT ARE THE ODDS!?

[AzCat]

So the public info paints a truly awful picture of KSU and has essentially crushed the positive momentum of at least the last decade but Currie is somehow protecting the university by allowing that picture to stand?...........So guys if you suddenly see me praising Currie & supporting the Weber hire ....

Masterpiece. Az is on an mvp hot streak imo.

Problem is that we are K-State which pretty much guarantees: Currie self-reported everything & ran Frank out of town while throwing himself on the mercy of the (NCAA) court; we're irrelevant and the money involved is small both of which represent an awesome opportunity for the NCAA to make an example of us by imposing crushing sanctions over a few hundred bucks.  Thus the likely outcome here is: crushing NCAA sanctions, no Frank & just enough wins by Weber to guarantee his lifetime employment here but with no real chance of success.  Weber is the perfect hire for this situation, he has a long history of blaming everyone but himself for his failures.  And the 'tucks are perfectly suited to eat that crap sandwich for the next couple of decades, "Well of course he can't win!  Look at the shambles that awful Frank Martin left him!  He just needs a couple more years ...."

[LickNeckey]

CC - real question.

I have been trying to settle down from this tumultuous last month and you have been very soothing in this process (like a nice salve for my red ass).  However, every time i get my blood pressure settled back down Currie holds a press conference or radio interview and just pisses me off all over again.  I don't hate the guy or most of what he has done but why/how does he eff up every encounter with the media he has???

So the question is can you ask John if you can handle all media relations including pressers for the AD?  TIA

[steve dave]

is John all jittery and fast talking and dumb sounding in normal everyday encounters?

[EllToPay]

is John all jittery and fast talking and dumb sounding in normal everyday encounters?

this. is he a guy you'd go down to RAB with and have a beverage?