Hiring Process Discussion with CC

[CHONGS]

its seems like some can only build up oscar by tearing down Frank and it only makes you look stupid

[LickNeckey]

So Weber has three top15 recruiting classes on campus totally bombs and it's everyone's fault but his?

Jesus the apologists are in full force and he hasn't coached a game.

[kso_FAN]

its seems like some can only build up oscar by tearing down Frank and it only makes you look stupid

I agree that this is dumb. I love what Frank did for K-State basketball.

[Dr Rick Daris]

So Weber has three top15 recruiting classes on campus totally bombs and it's everyone's fault but his?

Jesus the apologists are in full force and he hasn't coached a game.

yeah. these same fuckers are defending this more than they ever would've defended frank. wonder why?

[naturalselection]

its seems like some can only build up oscar by tearing down Frank and it only makes you look stupid

"some" is an understatement.  That is the vast majority of what I see.  The character assassination of Frank Martin that ramped up shortly before his departure and continues (apparently) in an effort to build up the hiring of oscar Weber is quite sickening. 

There is almost a hero worship among a large segment of our fan base for Bob Huggins (who gave us one year).  There was plenty of venom spewed his way by our fans immediately upon his departure, but NOTHING close to what is coming (and by all appearances orchestrated by our athletic department) at Frank Martin now. 

[Barry McCockner]

its seems like some can only build up oscar by tearing down Frank and it only makes you look stupid

"some" is an understatement.  That is the vast majority of what I see.  The character assassination of Frank Martin that ramped up shortly before his departure and continues (apparently) in an effort to build up the hiring of oscar Weber is quite sickening. 

There is almost a hero worship among a large segment of our fan base for Bob Huggins (who gave us one year).  There was plenty of venom spewed his way by our fans immediately upon his departure, but NOTHING close to what is coming (and by all appearances orchestrated by our athletic department) at Frank Martin now.

This becomes more clear every hour.

[MakeItRain]

UPKS received a call from the NCAA about 2 minutes after Frank announced on national TV that he paid players in high school.  The NCAA said that was a very stupid thing Frank just did.  Frank knew at this point he was gone.  What purpose did he have for opening that can of worms? Sure didn't help K-State.

I'm catching up with this thread so I'm sure this has been pointed out already but just in case it hasn't:

The second part of this post has absolutely no credibility because the first half is an out and out lie.  Frank never said he paid players.  Also who from the NCAA would unilaterally call Schulz or anyone else, that isn't at all how NCAA enforcement works.

[8manpick]

UPKS received a call from the NCAA about 2 minutes after Frank announced on national TV that he paid players in high school.  The NCAA said that was a very stupid thing Frank just did.  Frank knew at this point he was gone.  What purpose did he have for opening that can of worms? Sure didn't help K-State.

I'm catching up with this thread so I'm sure this has been pointed out already but just in case it hasn't:

The second part of this post has absolutely no credibility because the first half is an out and out lie.  Frank never said he paid players.  Also who from the NCAA would unilaterally call Schulz or anyone else, that isn't at all how NCAA enforcement works.

True, he said he gave money to kids who played for him in the past, later on when they needed money.  Neither did Frank say he paid players who were currently playing for him, nor did he say he gave money to NCAA athletes.  If my high school coach were to wire me $10,000 tomorrow there would be no issue with anyone, anywhere.  I'm pretty sure he never said "paid", he said he gave money to those who were running short on it.  Paid implies services in return for money, which is not what Frank said was happening.

[chum1]

Frank paid players.  End of discussion.

[Thecatwhisperer]

I lied, one more post before I go to bed. You guys should take off your tin foil hats. There isn't an orchestrated plan to tear down Frank. The truth is slowly starting to come out. That's the problem. Everything wasn't apple pie and roses within the basketball team. I've been on this board before it converted from the old site. I was there when we tossed around names for Bramlage and the board came up with the Octagon of Doom. I just see Frank for what he was becoming.  I was a huge Frank fan and was willing to look past his faults because we were winning. He's gone now. I see why. He had his faults and so does Currie but Currie is still here and has done a lot for our university. I think oscar weber is going to do a lot for our university. You guys are scared of losing the cool edginess that Frank brought to the program. I get it. oscar is a completely different media personality but he has the respect of his peers and the media. We will still be relevant in the years to come. 

[MakeItRain]

Both sides are spewing their propaganda but one side remains here at K-State and the other is gone. I'm choosing to support oscar Weber. I've talked with former players who have come back and talked and met with Frank and were very surprised and dissapointed with his arrogance and how he talked about his current players.  Frank was beginning to lose the support of those around him, including his team. That is a fact. He was insecure and acting like a high school coach. His aasistants have little choice but to follow or find themselves unemployed.  I like Brad and wish we could have found a place for him on the staff but if I were him and didnt get the HC job, i wouldnt stick around either. It would just be too awkward. Did our AD do everything in his power to keep Frank? Probably not but if I had an employee who was a superstar media darling who thought he could do anything he wanted and constantly was looking around for other job opportunities and then found one, I would probably do the same.  Currie has a lot of blame in my eyes for not knowing how to handle Frank though.  I'm not sure many people could but that is a part of Currie's job description.  Frank shouldn't have wanted to look around but it's hard to negotiate with someone when they can't control their emotions.

I truly believe our program will be better off next year with Frank gone and Weber here.  Weber is a good coach and we will be more fundamentally sound under his coaching. Despite what people think, I believe we just picked up a very valuable stock that happens to be undervalued at this time. 

You realize Greenawalt, Figger, and Lamont all went to SC before a coach was announced, right? Greenawalt would for sure have a job offer almost anywhere he wanted, and I imagine Figger would have found one without too much trouble.

Again still not caught up but thecatwhisperer is full of crap.  I hope all of this nonsensical borderline lying is of his/her own volition and not fed from a well placed inside source like he/she behaving like it is.

[AbeFroman]

I called it on page 11. Cat whsperer is john rough ridin' currie. There's no way it isn't him trolling. Mods check the ip. No way could anyone be this stupid

catwhiperer: Currie is still here just deal with it, nobody liked frank

Except the fans, the players that never transferred (yes I can see how some might not like him, wally etc), his coaching staff, the media (only a few knock him)

[Ira Hayes]

I lied, one more post before I go to bed. You guys should take off your tin foil hats. There isn't an orchestrated plan to tear down Frank. The truth is slowly starting to come out. That's the problem. Everything wasn't apple pie and roses within the basketball team. I've been on this board before it converted from the old site. I was there when we tossed around names for Bramlage and the board came up with the Octagon of Doom. I just see Frank for what he was becoming.  I was a huge Frank fan and was willing to look past his faults because we were winning. He's gone now. I see why. He had his faults and so does Currie but Currie is still here and has done a lot for our university. I think oscar weber is going to do a lot for our university. You guys are scared of losing the cool edginess that Frank brought to the program. I get it. oscar is a completely different media personality but he has the respect of his peers and the media. We will still be relevant in the years to come. 

I don't remember when we all tossed around names for Bramlage and the board came up with the Octagon of Doom.  Does anybody else? _Fan?

[Ira Hayes]

I called it on page 11. Cat whsperer is john rough ridin' currie. There's no way it isn't him trolling. Mods check the ip. No way could anyone be this stupid

catwhiperer: Currie is still here just deal with it, nobody liked frank

Except the fans, the players that never transferred (yes I can see how some might not like him, wally etc), his coaching staff, the media (only a few knock him)

No way that is actually Currie.  But this site has become one hell of a rodeo. And I don't doubt his people are behind it. Who wants to ride next?

[MakeItRain]

Frank has gotten worse the last couple of years due to his insecurities and ego. Just ask the players. They said as much at the press conference. But, of course that doesn't mean anything. Why would it? Chingon obviously knows more than they do. Frank's inability to control his emotions was getting in the way of his coaching.  When you lose respect for the person who is coaching you, you're going to have a hard time listening and developing as a player.  We all saw it on the sidelines. When you waste half of your timeout in a fit of rage rather than coaching it's going to affect your players abilities to make in game adjustments.

  You guys remind me of the guy who gets dumped by his girlfriend and then loses the next girl whose interested in him because he can't remember why he had problems with the first girlfriend and always talks about her. It's rather pathetic. Move on. Frank has.

I have my answer now, not getting fed anything by anyone, just a tuck regurgitating nonsensical tuck talking points.  I resend my previous outrage with this person.

[kougar24]

I lied, one more post before I go to bed. You guys should take off your tin foil hats. There isn't an orchestrated plan to tear down Frank. The truth is slowly starting to come out. That's the problem. Everything wasn't apple pie and roses within the basketball team. I've been on this board before it converted from the old site. I was there when we tossed around names for Bramlage and the board came up with the Octagon of Doom. I just see Frank for what he was becoming.  I was a huge Frank fan and was willing to look past his faults because we were winning. He's gone now. I see why. He had his faults and so does Currie but Currie is still here and has done a lot for our university. I think oscar weber is going to do a lot for our university. You guys are scared of losing the cool edginess that Frank brought to the program. I get it. oscar is a completely different media personality but he has the respect of his peers and the media. We will still be relevant in the years to come. 

I don't remember when we all tossed around names for Bramlage and the board came up with the Octagon of Doom.  Does anybody else? _Fan?

Yeah, it definitely didn't go down in an explicit way like that.

[MakeItRain]

Frank paid players.  End of discussion.

I have no idea how someone could credibly argue one way or another.  I would hope you're smart enough to comprehend that isn't happening here, this is a discussion about what Frank Martin said on national television and about thecatperson being a lying shirttuck without common sense.

[KSUBrian]

from your dumb ass

Wow now we are just into name calling.

[MakeItRain]

from your dumb ass

Wow now we are just into name calling.

In fairness your posts in this topic have been really dumb.  Hopefully you were drunk and really didn't think what you posted was serious

[Thecatwhisperer]

I even tuck it in my underwear. Added protection from side shirt bunching.

[Thecatwhisperer]

Wow, how quickly people forget how OOD got its name. Started on the old pennyless forum.  Someone posted a google map image of the top of Bramlage with doom photoshopped on top.  People were throwing around other names but OOD stuck.  Next game a few forum guys showed up with a cut out of an octagon with doom in the middle that got some airtime and the rest is history.  Too bad under Martin the past few years it's been the octogon of mediocre home court advantage. 

[kso_FAN]

Wow, how quickly people forget how OOD got its name. Started on the old pennyless forum.  Someone posted a google map image of the top of Bramlage with doom photoshopped on top.  People were throwing around other names but OOD stuck.  Next game a few forum guys showed up with a cut out of an octagon with doom in the middle that got some airtime and the rest is history.  Too bad under Martin the past few years it's been the octogon of mediocre home court advantage. 

I think most are aware of where the name came from. http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=468.msg5562#msg5562

[Cire]

From the satellite picture in another thread it didn't look like John Currie had this many neighbors.

[captaincrap]

I not trying to convince you guys to like BW or even JC. I've said repeatedly that I'm not defending the hire.

cc, you obviously are defending the hire, and pretty vigorously.  the less you lie the more credibility you retain.

I've never said one thing about BW other than to say he hasn't coached a game here. Never once said it was a good or bad hire, never once said the phrase "give it time", never once said anything about how well he will do, never once made an excuse for his record at Illinois. Just because you might disagree with me doesn't make me a liar.

This thread has devolved into exactly what pissed me off at the beginning -- if someone doesn't agree with your preconceived notion that Currie is evil, they are shouted down by the mob. All I've done is tried to give you guys some added info in the hope that it would cause some of you to back away from the ledge. It clearly hasn't worked.

I've pointed out that Currie and by extension the AthDept could have and should have done better with things over the last month. I'm also privy to information surrounding those events that you are not, and I know the result of that is that you and I will have different interpretations. I don't expect you to ever be real happy with Jamargate or Frank's exit, because odds are you will only have the current public info -- which doesn't paint a pretty picture of K-State. I've tried to give as much insight as possible to help provide context, at risk to me.

JC pledged transparency in contractual and financial reporting. He did not promise to reveal every private detail on every employee or athlete. When he believes that he shouldn't discuss details because it would bring harm to the University or individuals, he isn't lying -- he's protecting K-State. Which I would argue is one of his job requirements.

[EllToPay]

I not trying to convince you guys to like BW or even JC. I've said repeatedly that I'm not defending the hire.

cc, you obviously are defending the hire, and pretty vigorously.  the less you lie the more credibility you retain.

I've never said one thing about BW other than to say he hasn't coached a game here. Never once said it was a good or bad hire, never once said the phrase "give it time", never once said anything about how well he will do, never once made an excuse for his record at Illinois. Just because you might disagree with me doesn't make me a liar.

This thread has devolved into exactly what pissed me off at the beginning -- if someone doesn't agree with your preconceived notion that Currie is evil, they are shouted down by the mob. All I've done is tried to give you guys some added info in the hope that it would cause some of you to back away from the ledge. It clearly hasn't worked.

I've pointed out that Currie and by extension the AthDept could have and should have done better with things over the last month. I'm also privy to information surrounding those events that you are not, and I know the result of that is that you and I will have different interpretations. I don't expect you to ever be real happy with Jamargate or Frank's exit, because odds are you will only have the current public info -- which doesn't paint a pretty picture of K-State. I've tried to give as much insight as possible to help provide context, at risk to me.
JC pledged transparency in contractual and financial reporting. He did not promise to reveal every private detail on every employee or athlete. When he believes that he shouldn't discuss details because it would bring harm to the University or individuals, he isn't lying -- he's protecting K-State. Which I would argue is one of his job requirements.

Is what Frank was doing considered NCAA violations?

I guess my point here is that no matter if oscar succeeds or not, the mob will always be there until we know the type of things/violations Frank was doing. I understand you can't reveal these. But at least give us something that we can chew on.