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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #300 on: April 03, 2012, 05:44:30 PM »
Gottlieb stated that he had already talked to potential assistants, and had a plan. Weber said he had not talked to potential assistants and said little more than "I want someone with K-State ties and maybe someone that can maybe recruit texas or something". Who knows, maybe Weber is a liar.

Also, I have no problem with Currie and Weber not publicly discussing targets.

Not defending BW, but... The dude had maybe a couple hours sleep in two days. He had flown all over the country in the last 8 hours leading up to the PC. He had met about a 100 people in the last hour. He was tired and nervous and up in front of a room of people he didn't know. Probably not the best environment for perfect name recall. I do think the PC was rushed and was a little unfair to BW, it put him in a tough spot to really excel.

I would say BW has been much better than his PC in is subsequent radio interviews. He's had a chance to catch his breath.

Well, good thing we hired him for a low pressure job with very little travel and tons of down time.

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #301 on: April 03, 2012, 05:49:24 PM »
currie was on BITB this afternoon, and listening to him i felt myself getting less and less angry at him.

then when it was over i was all like HEY, THAT rough rider HIRED oscar WEBER WHAT THE eff.

and then i was just angry at myself for being tricked so easily for 20 minutes.
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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #302 on: April 03, 2012, 05:55:21 PM »
Both sides have valid points, but Currie is terrible at PR and PC's so he makes everything he has done in this debacle look that much worse. He just cannot be trusted when he talks.


It really is mesmerizing how bad we are at PR here. After the 45-minute train wreck of a press conference last Tuesday ("Trash can! No wait, floor!"), I was completely aghast and thought to myself, "Holy crap. There is NO WAY they put that up on the website for people to re-watch."

Then, amazingly (which should actually have been quite predictable since we are so utterly abysmal at public relations), we DID. 

...Which allowed me to email the link to my friends and family who couldn't watch it live, which only allowed them to all watch it and facepalm from around the country.
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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #303 on: April 03, 2012, 05:57:56 PM »
Both sides have valid points, but Currie is terrible at PR and PC's so he makes everything he has done in this debacle look that much worse. He just cannot be trusted when he talks.


It really is mesmerizing how bad we are at PR here.  After the 45-minute train wreck of a press conference last Tuesday ("Trash can! No wait, floor!"), I was completely aghast and though to myself, "Holy crap. There is NO WAY they put that up on the website for people to re-watch."

Then, amazingly (which should actually have been quite predictable since we are so utterly abysmal at press conferences), we DID.  Which allowed me to email the link to my friends and family who couldn't watch it live, which only allowed them to all watch it and facepalm from around the country.

but they learned their lesson when they cut out Currie's portion of the Weber press conference.

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #304 on: April 03, 2012, 06:03:43 PM »
If you want something to change make sure you and all your friends show up to every game, donate all of your expendable income and hope for the best!!!!!  :thumbsup:

WE ARE KSTATEO

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Root for the team and continue to donate in addition to working to affect change. Sorry, I probably phrased that wrong. I've seen folks encouraging recruits to not come here and for fans to not show up. I don't know how that helps K-State. You can be unhappy and still hope the team does well. there are other things you can do to voice displeasure while you root on the players.

I've got this crap down to a science.  I have been a Chiefs fan for many, many years....
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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #305 on: April 03, 2012, 06:06:04 PM »
Currie holding Jamar out of the Syracuse game is a big deal for KSU in that the perception of that event from the outside looking in is that of an overeager and hyper-anal young AD picking a fight with a coach he disliked at the expense of both the men's basketball program and a senior player looking forward to playing the biggest game of his career.  The damning perception in the media seems to have been that Jamar probably didn't do anything wrong, that's an ENORMOUS problem for KSU that Currie has exacerbated by being a weasel and modifying his story post hoc. 

But suppose Jamar was clearly in the wrong and he played against Syracuse, what's the REASONABLE worst case outcome?  A slap on the wrist & forfeiture of that game and others he might have participated in going forward had KSU won?  Big deal.  It's very difficult from a fan's perspective to view this as anything other than John Currie protecting John Currie's resume at the expense of Jamar Samuels, the KSU men's basketball program and Kansas State University.  That perception, again, is an ENORMOUS problem for KSU and it's one purely of Currie's making.

Given the nature of Currie's recent actions towards the basketball program it's completely unsurprising that he had no real options when Frank walked.  The national perception at that point was that our resume polishing AD had just run off the most initially successful coach in the history of KSU basketball in a feud over what seemed to many to be a non-issue.  Couple that with Frank's all-American rags-to-riches life story and his present status as something of a media darling and it seems fair to say that Currie created a toxic atmosphere at KSU.  Right or wrong that's how KSU looks to America right now and the best the athletic department can do to combat that perception is to spew forth a few weak rumors about a potential disaster had Frank stayed.

Stopped reading here. This is just completely off base, and I've addressed it here several times and JC has explained it several times. Currie didn't hold Jamar out, the NCAA did. And once they did, if we played him, it would have been more than a slap on the wrist. Get over it, Jamar screwed up.

And Currie's rep nationally in Athletics is not toxic. Some national writers who are close with Frank have written some negative stuff. Do not believe it impacted available candidates.

I do not believe your chronology is accurate.

But glad you stopped reading the best written post on the subject to date.  Glad you ignored a well written combination of thoughts and criticisms.  Glad you wrapped it up with "get over it"

It is EXACTLY this attitude that proves the AD doesn't give a eff about anyone under 45.

Here is a primer for the uninitiated in dealing with the KSU AD:

1.  "transparency" = We will tell you what we want you to know, when we want you to know it.  We will obstruct the gathering of information (or outright lie) about the other things.  Oh, when it comes to telling tales that make Frank Martin look bad, we will leak those out there too but not give a single source that would actually be, you know, transparent.

2.  "Get over it" = You have no choice and no hope of change.  We don't care what you say, or how you say it.  Unless it means you quit giving us money, in which case we will quickly tell you that you are a crappy fan and are hurting your school.

3.  "Give him time" = Shut up and take this hire quietly.  Leave us alone.  Be quiet.  Stop complaining.  We aren't listening.  Currie and Schulz are leaving in 2 years/  So, we actually mean "give us time to leave"

 

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #306 on: April 03, 2012, 06:20:08 PM »
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Open Records Request reveals K-State paid $40,000 plus expenses to Todd Turner and his consulting firm for their help hiring oscar Weber.

Plus expenses.

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« Reply #307 on: April 03, 2012, 06:27:03 PM »
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Open Records Request reveals K-State paid $40,000 plus expenses to Todd Turner and his consulting firm for their help hiring oscar Weber.

Plus expenses.

Just part of the mysticism of a coaching search. Simple-minded common folk just don't get it.

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #308 on: April 03, 2012, 06:35:58 PM »
ksu will be getting their $40k plus expenses invoice from goEMAW later this week

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #309 on: April 03, 2012, 06:37:52 PM »
Do Currie and/or Schulz owe their  current jobs to Todd Turner?

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #310 on: April 03, 2012, 06:42:29 PM »
How long from when Frank announced until Friday night when Weber agreed?

Are we paying Turner approx $8,000 a day, plus expenses?  For BW?

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #311 on: April 03, 2012, 06:46:38 PM »
How long from when Frank announced until Friday night when Weber agreed?

Are we paying Turner approx $8,000 a day, plus expenses?  For BW?

No doubt.  Sounds like Weber was sulking around outside Bramlage scratching at the door and whining to be let in.  Apparently Currie never learned the lesson about not bringing home strays. 

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #312 on: April 03, 2012, 06:49:54 PM »
Seriously though, this coaching search was far too quick to cost $50,000

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #313 on: April 03, 2012, 06:51:00 PM »
How long from when Frank announced until Friday night when Weber agreed?

Are we paying Turner approx $8,000 a day, plus expenses?  For BW?

He talked to agents for Currie. Do you expect John Currie to know how to get in contact with oscar Weber on his own?

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #314 on: April 03, 2012, 06:54:42 PM »
We are such rough ridin' rubes we got taken by a guy named Todd.

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #315 on: April 03, 2012, 06:55:39 PM »
We are such rough ridin' rubes we got taken by a guy named Todd.

todd is the worst name in the world.

i hate all todd's.
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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #316 on: April 03, 2012, 06:58:57 PM »
Wow, you guys are brutal. Anyone read Kellis's article and see how excited Rodney is to learn from our new coach? These guys are craving getting some real instruction from a coach with years of experience who doesn't belittle you if you miss a free throw. I have a feeling our offense is going to be vastly improved from where it was in a few short years.  Only time will tell but the players are responding well to oscar.  Maybe you should consider doing the same.

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #317 on: April 03, 2012, 06:59:15 PM »
ksu will be getting their $40k plus expenses invoice from goEMAW later this week

Send him a bill for $100,000.  Call it "Social Image Consulting."  When they pay, we all jump on the bandwagon.

Seems damn cheap compared to what he paid Todd.

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #318 on: April 03, 2012, 07:00:15 PM »
We are such rough ridin' rubes we got taken by a guy named Todd.

todd is the worst name in the world.

i hate all todd's.

Yet Todd totally destroyed Currie.

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #319 on: April 03, 2012, 07:03:01 PM »
So how much truth is there to the rumor that Currie offered Underwood a large raise before walking back on it?

Or are we not allowed to know because it might make the AD look bad?

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #320 on: April 03, 2012, 07:05:47 PM »
So how much truth is there to the rumor that Currie offered Underwood a large raise before walking back on it?

Or are we not allowed to know because it might make the AD look bad?

See "transparency" above.

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #321 on: April 03, 2012, 07:07:28 PM »
Dave odom is a consultant for collegiate sports associates the firm headed by Todd turner.  Dave odom just happened to be The head basketball coach at wake forest during the entire time currie was at wake forest.
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« Reply #322 on: April 03, 2012, 07:09:17 PM »
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/03/30/hired-guns-how-search-firms-are-changing-the-business-of-college-coaching/

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Many in the sports media world are quick to judge coaching hires by each coach’s past track record, so they may be surprised to learn that on-field victories are rarely a deciding factor in the search process. The search experts are from disparate backgrounds – some are former coaches, others former athletic directors, and others yet come from backgrounds in executive recruiting – but all of them insist that the primary goal of a search is to find a coach who fits the athletic director’s set of criteria.

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“The number one job is to support the athletic director, period,” says Beaudine. As Beaudine notes, the athletic director is the one hiring the coach, and a consultant’s only role is to facilitate the process. Ted Gregory, the Global Head of Diversity and Sports at Westwood Partners, describes his role even more simply: “I am the athletic director’s eyes and ears in the [coaching] marketplace.” And more often than not, the athlet ic director is just looking for someone who can fit the school’s culture.

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Bill Carr of Carr Sports Consulting refers to understanding a school’s “values, priorities, [and] social dimensions” as the key to finding the right coach. “I want coaches to win,” continues Carr, “but it’s more important to understand other priorities and expectations [of the athletic director].”

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« Reply #323 on: April 03, 2012, 07:15:21 PM »
Wait, if Currie's criteria included prior HC experience, how many people did Todd have to sift through?

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« Reply #324 on: April 03, 2012, 07:20:41 PM »
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/03/30/hired-guns-how-search-firms-are-changing-the-business-of-college-coaching/

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Many in the sports media world are quick to judge coaching hires by each coach’s past track record, so they may be surprised to learn that on-field victories are rarely a deciding factor in the search process. The search experts are from disparate backgrounds – some are former coaches, others former athletic directors, and others yet come from backgrounds in executive recruiting – but all of them insist that the primary goal of a search is to find a coach who fits the athletic director’s set of criteria.

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“The number one job is to support the athletic director, period,” says Beaudine. As Beaudine notes, the athletic director is the one hiring the coach, and a consultant’s only role is to facilitate the process. Ted Gregory, the Global Head of Diversity and Sports at Westwood Partners, describes his role even more simply: “I am the athletic director’s eyes and ears in the [coaching] marketplace.” And more often than not, the athlet ic director is just looking for someone who can fit the school’s culture.

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Bill Carr of Carr Sports Consulting refers to understanding a school’s “values, priorities, [and] social dimensions” as the key to finding the right coach. “I want coaches to win,” continues Carr, “but it’s more important to understand other priorities and expectations [of the athletic director].”

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It isn’t cheap, either. The cost of assistance can range from the $50,000 that Connecticut paid Alden and Associates last year to find Paul Pasqualoni, to the $250,000 given to search firm Spencer Stuart by Colorado State to fund a search that landed Jim McElwain.

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