Hiring Process Discussion with CC

[Pete]

cc, is the KState job poisoned in some way we don't know about (ie. because of something other than Currie)?

I would be more inclined it be "understanding" about Currie's choices if this were the case.  However, since that is mere speculation, all I have to go on are the facts as they have been revealed.   And, hiring oscar Weber (proven loser) is more than I am willing to accept.  go cats.

[ChiComCat]

My biggest issue is simply hiring a coach that was just fired elsewhere. It shows us as second-rate. We demonstrated ourselves to be below a mid-level school like Illinois. Whether we are second-rate is not the issue. The issue is our AD came out and demonstrated that he does not believe our university to be first class.

You mentioned how if we had hired him last year, we would've been happy with it. I don't think I would have, but I wouldn't be this upset. What upsets me the most is a person who's job it is to run our athletic department, doesn't think or at least try to sell it as a great job. I think that his opinion that we are good enough for leftovers is more damaging to the university's image than Frank's dirty laundry.

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[TheHamburglar]

So I should be channeling my anger more properly, but where?  How should I go about getting the athletic director at Kansas State University fired without causing collateral damage?  I would welcome your suggestions here.

KSU Athletics, LLC has a Board of Directors.  Find out who they are and email them directly.  Force them into a "John Currie+Angry emails about the CEO+I don't have time for this" thought process.

Voting members of the board (besides Currie):
April Mason, Senior Vice President and Provost
Pat Bosco, Vice President of Student Life/Dean of Students
oscar Shubert, Vice President of Administration and Finance/Secretary/Treasurer
Be Stoney, Faculty Athletic Representative
Jackie Hartman, Director of Community Relations

There is also a Presidents Advisory Committe on Athletics, email them as well:

Jill Shields, Associate Athletic Director/Senior Woman Administrator
Betsy Cauble, Sociology, Anthropology & Social Work, Faculty Rep.
Melody LeHew, Apparel, Textiles & Interior Design, Faculty Rep.
Phillip Marzluf, Department of English, Faculty Rep.
Kenneth Hughey, Special Education & Counseling , Faculty Rep.
Barbara Bachman (Centralia, Kan.), Alumni Member
Earl McVicker (Hutchinson, Kan.), Alumni Member
Jonathan Bahmani, Student Member
Libby Queen, Student Member
Roger McClellan (Wichita, Kan.), Alumni Board Rep
Kevin Lockett (Kansas City, Mo.), Foundation Rep

[Ira Hayes]

1. Kansas State is not a place that I love. It's not a drinking fountain in the Bramlage concourse. It is about people. Frank was one of those people. "Hurting Kansas State" does not mean the same to me as it does to Kirk Shulz or John Currie or Captain Crap.

2. I don't give a crap if we build a giant limestone structure on the west side for John Currie and Kirk Shulz to sit in.  Almost zero players will ever get to sit up there drinking a beer and watching a game.  They are the ones making the money.  If a bunch of rich donors want to pay for it, then fine. Are John Currie and Kirk Shulz hurt if it doesn't get built? Yeah.  Are any of the rest of us? Not really.

3. Don't try to tell us it's Frank's fault that he is gone because he was going to run off 6 or however many players. If the choice really was between the PR disaster that would have been half the team leaving or hiring oscar Weber and keeping a team full of rough ridin' pussies and team cancers, I would have chosen Frank and the PR disaster.  Currie chose pussy cancer.

4. I forgot what four was, but there was a four. I'll think of it, but right now I can't stop thinking about pussy cancer.

[Grimlock]

I am just trying to figure this whole situation out in my head, because it sure smells funny.  There has got to be another reason behind all of this besides Currie being an incompentent compliance nazi.

BTW I have been lurking on here for a while, love you guys.  Keep up the good work.

It seems like we are under some pressure to clean up our basketball program.  Is this initiative internal, or is it possible that we are getting pressure from the NCAA?  Perhaps due to the Beasley v. Joel Bell lawsuit.

interesting first post grimlock

[Dr Rick Daris]

My biggest issue is simply hiring a coach that was just fired elsewhere. It shows us as second-rate. We demonstrated ourselves to be below a mid-level school like Illinois. Whether we are second-rate is not the issue. The issue is our AD came out and demonstrated that he does not believe our university to be first class.

You mentioned how if we had hired him last year, we would've been happy with it. I don't think I would have, but I wouldn't be this upset. What upsets me the most is a person who's job it is to run our athletic department, doesn't think or at least try to sell it as a great job. I think that his opinion that we are good enough for leftovers is more damaging to the university's image than Frank's dirty laundry.

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yeah. you just cannot hire a coach that just got fired for being bad from a school that is comparable historically to your school in the sport that he coaches in. you just cannot. it sends out a horrible message to the fan base.

also, the only reason currie thought he'd be able to pull it off is because weber was in a different conference. you put that guy at oklahoma state and have him get fired for being bad and there is no way that he's our new hire. question-why should that matter? answer-it shouldn't. it was a lousy hire regardless of whether he was coaching in the big12 or the big10.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

1. Kansas State is not a place that I love. It's not a drinking fountain in the Bramlage concourse. It is about people. Frank was one of those people. "Hurting Kansas State" does not mean the same to me as it does to Kirk Shulz or John Currie or Captain Crap.

2. I don't give a crap if we build a giant limestone structure on the west side for John Currie and Kirk Shulz to sit in.  Almost zero players will ever get to sit up there drinking a beer and watching a game.  They are the ones making the money.  If a bunch of rich donors want to pay for it, then fine. Are John Currie and Kirk Shulz hurt if it doesn't get built? Yeah.  Are any of the rest of us? Not really.

3. Don't try to tell us it's Frank's fault that he is gone because he was going to run off 6 or however many players. If the choice really was between the PR disaster that would have been half the team leaving or hiring oscar Weber and keeping a team full of rough ridin' pussies and team cancers, I would have chosen Frank and the PR disaster.  Currie chose pussy cancer.

4. I forgot what four was, but there was a four. I'll think of it, but right now I can't stop thinking about pussy cancer.

#2 is idiotic.  The players certainly want better facilities, and lack of them does hurt KSU and the players.

[kougar24]

if you are a K-State fan you should still want K-State basketball to do well and not want the university to be harmed

And we think oscar Weber and John Currie are harmful to the university and its basketball program. So...

[catzacker]

My biggest issue is simply hiring a coach that was just fired elsewhere. It shows us as second-rate. We demonstrated ourselves to be below a mid-level school like Illinois. Whether we are second-rate is not the issue. The issue is our AD came out and demonstrated that he does not believe our university to be first class.

You mentioned how if we had hired him last year, we would've been happy with it. I don't think I would have, but I wouldn't be this upset. What upsets me the most is a person who's job it is to run our athletic department, doesn't think or at least try to sell it as a great job. I think that his opinion that we are good enough for leftovers is more damaging to the university's image than Frank's dirty laundry.

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yeah. you just cannot hire a coach that just got fired for being bad from a school that is comparable historically to your school in the sport that he coaches in. you just cannot. it sends out a horrible message to the fan base.

also, the only reason currie thought he'd be able to pull it off is because weber was in a different conference. you put that guy at oklahoma state and have him get fired for being bad and there is no way that he's our new hire. question-why should that matter? answer-it shouldn't. it was a lousy hire regardless of whether he was coaching in the big12 or the big10.

OU got Lon for christ sake.  I mean, OU basketball.  But hey, they were willing to spend 2.2M.

[Mike Ahearn]

CC - you mentioned that you knew "of a couple of people that said No."  Other than Boyle, who else said No?  Thanks so much for your information.  It has been very helpful in getting some perspective.

[Ira Hayes]

Players want better facilities for the players.  That west side is mostly about rich people hanging out and getting to drink while they watch the game.

And I thought of 4 - If Frank is such a horrible person who is impossible to work with or work for or play for, then why is Greenawalt going?  Why is Underwood going?  It's bullshit.

[michigancat]

- He FAILED to establish and cultivate a relationship with a very successful and popular basketball coach.  Had he done so, even assuming what you say is true about Frank Martin and his path over the past 1-2 seasons, he may well have been in a position to help make the changes you say were needed.  By creating (is there any question that he has significant responsibility for) an adversarial relationship with this coach, he took away any chance he might have to affect change. 

- He FAILED in his first major sport hire.  You can "wait and see" this all you want, but the process, parameters, and result are failed. 

For those two things alone I have no qualms about wanting him fired.  Reports of a hyperactive compliance department, friction with the football coach, lies and/or half truths.  All icing on the cake imo.  I don't want him lynched.  I don't wish ill on him or his family.  I simply do not want him to occupy his current position at the University I support any longer.

So I should be channeling my anger more properly, but where?  How should I go about getting the athletic director at Kansas State University fired without causing collateral damage?  I would welcome your suggestions here.

1. He probably could have been better in working with Frank. I will concede that. Would also say that it is a two-way street. Frank, god love him, can be very paranoid and stubborn -- two qualities that make smoothing things out a little challenging. Not sure I'd go so far to say Failed, but yeah, probably could have done better.

2. Respectfully disagree. BW hasn't coached a game yet, not sure how you can say its a failure. You can be dubious and doubtful and pessimistic, sure go ahead. But results are what coaches and Ads are judged on, not how well a PC goes or how the fan reaction goes.

I get it, you don't like BW and are pissed at JC for it. Just maybe put down the pitchfork and torches. First, you aren't going to get him fired. Won't happen until BW has at least coached some games. So really you need to be focusing on where you can affect change -- try to set up meetings with the AD to discuss fan outreach. Send him emails or letters with some productive ideas of ways to interact with fans in a constructive way, such as town hall meetings or focus groups. Explain calmly how it makes you feel to be in the dark on things. that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's not as fun as billboards and airplane banners. But its that kind of stuff that will actually work. I really think there is an opportunity here to use BW as an impetus for change. But if you're focusing on getting BW or JC fired, you're wasting the chance cause those things aren't happening anytime in the short term.

oscar Weber has coached a shitload of games.

[wabash909]

3. Don't try to tell us it's Frank's fault that he is gone because he was going to run off 6 or however many players. If the choice really was between the PR disaster that would have been half the team leaving or hiring oscar Weber and keeping a team full of rough ridin' pussies and team cancers, I would have chosen Frank and the PR disaster.  Currie chose pussy cancer.

3> Is what is totally incomprehensible to me.  This notion that keeping Frank around would have been a bigger PR disaster than what has ensued because of Currie in the last month with Jamar, Frank to SC, oscar Weber just boggles my mind.

The image of the program has been drug through the streets, JC and the president have lost virtually all credibility, the fans of the program have been alienated, it is absolutely dumbfounding to me that anyone could make that type of statement.

[LickNeckey]

Doug on 810 with Petro right now.

He asked us out.  We said No.

 

[Ira Hayes]

oscar Weber has coached a shitload of games.

 

[Barry McCockner]

Being completely honest about Frank would put the university in harm's way.

eff.  We're hiding crap from the NCAA while talking about transparency, integrity, and honesty.  We're getting the death penalty.

[TheHamburglar]

Doug on 810 with Petro right now.

He asked us out.  We said No.

 

Instead we chose the decent looking chubby girl whose reputation leads you to believe that she will give you a decent handy a couple times a week, maybe a blowy if you take her to a nice dinner on valentines day, and will never take her underwear off because we think we are a JV baseball player at a 3A school and should feel lucky we even found a girl who will touch our junk.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Players want better facilities for the players.  That west side is mostly about rich people hanging out and getting to drink while they watch the game.

And I thought of 4 - If Frank is such a horrible person who is impossible to work with or work for or play for, then why is Greenawalt going?  Why is Underwood going?  It's bullshit.

The west side is all about being able to charge a premium for a large number of seats so that additional revenue can be generated and we can increase the budget for other facilities that attract players.

[Thecatwhisperer]

1. Kansas State is not a place that I love. It's not a drinking fountain in the Bramlage concourse. It is about people. Frank was one of those people. "Hurting Kansas State" does not mean the same to me as it does to Kirk Shulz or John Currie or Captain Crap.

2. I don't give a crap if we build a giant limestone structure on the west side for John Currie and Kirk Shulz to sit in.  Almost zero players will ever get to sit up there drinking a beer and watching a game.  They are the ones making the money.  If a bunch of rich donors want to pay for it, then fine. Are John Currie and Kirk Shulz hurt if it doesn't get built? Yeah.  Are any of the rest of us? Not really.

3. Don't try to tell us it's Frank's fault that he is gone because he was going to run off 6 or however many players. If the choice really was between the PR disaster that would have been half the team leaving or hiring oscar Weber and keeping a team full of rough ridin' pussies and team cancers, I would have chosen Frank and the PR disaster.  Currie chose pussy cancer.

4. I forgot what four was, but there was a four. I'll think of it, but right now I can't stop thinking about pussy cancer.

Nobody likes change but you need to change your diaper cause your s h i t is stinking up this place.

[Ira Hayes]

1. Kansas State is not a place that I love. It's not a drinking fountain in the Bramlage concourse. It is about people. Frank was one of those people. "Hurting Kansas State" does not mean the same to me as it does to Kirk Shulz or John Currie or Captain Crap.

2. I don't give a crap if we build a giant limestone structure on the west side for John Currie and Kirk Shulz to sit in.  Almost zero players will ever get to sit up there drinking a beer and watching a game.  They are the ones making the money.  If a bunch of rich donors want to pay for it, then fine. Are John Currie and Kirk Shulz hurt if it doesn't get built? Yeah.  Are any of the rest of us? Not really.

3. Don't try to tell us it's Frank's fault that he is gone because he was going to run off 6 or however many players. If the choice really was between the PR disaster that would have been half the team leaving or hiring oscar Weber and keeping a team full of rough ridin' pussies and team cancers, I would have chosen Frank and the PR disaster.  Currie chose pussy cancer.

4. I forgot what four was, but there was a four. I'll think of it, but right now I can't stop thinking about pussy cancer.

Nobody likes change but you need to change your diaper cause your hullabaloo is stinking up this place.

And number 5 is I think Weber and maybe Currie employ marketing companies to manage their online reputations.  See purplekrush117 as exhibit A.  But that's just a theory.

[wabash909]

Being completely honest about Frank would put the university in harm's way.

eff.  We're hiding crap from the NCAA while talking about transparency, integrity, and honesty.  We're getting the death penalty.

A lot of silly post-rationalization is being thrown around to defend running Frank off (and it's really starting to make me more disgusted).  IF the problems were that severe, the entire staff wouldn't have followed him to SC.

[wabash909]

1. Kansas State is not a place that I love. It's not a drinking fountain in the Bramlage concourse. It is about people. Frank was one of those people. "Hurting Kansas State" does not mean the same to me as it does to Kirk Shulz or John Currie or Captain Crap.

2. I don't give a crap if we build a giant limestone structure on the west side for John Currie and Kirk Shulz to sit in.  Almost zero players will ever get to sit up there drinking a beer and watching a game.  They are the ones making the money.  If a bunch of rich donors want to pay for it, then fine. Are John Currie and Kirk Shulz hurt if it doesn't get built? Yeah.  Are any of the rest of us? Not really.

3. Don't try to tell us it's Frank's fault that he is gone because he was going to run off 6 or however many players. If the choice really was between the PR disaster that would have been half the team leaving or hiring oscar Weber and keeping a team full of rough ridin' pussies and team cancers, I would have chosen Frank and the PR disaster.  Currie chose pussy cancer.

4. I forgot what four was, but there was a four. I'll think of it, but right now I can't stop thinking about pussy cancer.

Nobody likes change but you need to change your diaper cause your hullabaloo is stinking up this place.

And number 5 is I think Weber and maybe Currie employ marketing companies to manage their online reputations.  See purplekrush117 as exhibit A.  But that's just a theory.

Lol.  They're not outsourcing anything.

[Thecatwhisperer]

The message boad switched out s h i t with hullabaloo.  Now that is some funny s h i t.

[TheHamburglar]

The message boad switched out s h i t with hullabaloo.  Now that is some funny s h i t.

lol that you can't figure out how to turn that off

[Trim]

I get it, you don't like BW and are pissed at JC for it. Just maybe put down the pitchfork and torches. First, you aren't going to get him fired. Won't happen until BW has at least coached some games. So really you need to be focusing on where you can affect change -- try to set up meetings with the AD to discuss fan outreach. Send him emails or letters with some productive ideas of ways to interact with fans in a constructive way, such as town hall meetings or focus groups. Explain calmly how it makes you feel to be in the dark on things. that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's not as fun as billboards and airplane banners. But its that kind of stuff that will actually work. I really think there is an opportunity here to use BW as an impetus for change. But if you're focusing on getting BW or JC fired, you're wasting the chance cause those things aren't happening anytime in the short term.

While past results apparently aren't a factor in estimating future performance when it comes to oscar Weber being evaluated by KSU, they are here.

Getting excited about coaching candidates and expressing positive support for them (plural, don't you dare strawman me) = eff you guys, here's oscar Weber.

Loudly raising the money to fly a Fire Prince banner = Prince is fired.

So, now there will be billboards and airplane banners or whatever.