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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #175 on: April 03, 2012, 09:25:41 AM »
I wouldn't mind any of the CC talking points if they had coming after the Wooly firing (and subsequent hiring of BW type), but things were set up so well right now to do something even bigger/better.  I don't believe a chance like this will come around again for quite a while and I don't want to waste 2-4 years "giving it time".
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« Reply #176 on: April 03, 2012, 09:26:50 AM »
also and my last question...

it seems like john put an incredible amount of faith and credence in former kstate student gene keady's opinion of oscar. does john know that the two are basically best friends and that gene keady does not care one bit about kansas state university?

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« Reply #177 on: April 03, 2012, 09:29:45 AM »
He had just been fired from Illinois. I don't see how we can't get him at a discount and give him incentives that would get him back to the going rate and above if he was able to win consistently. Did Currie even try or did oscar tell him GTFO unless you give me the going rate?

I wasn't in contract talks, so don't know. Contract has standard performance bonuses. If he wins, he gets $$. And you need to remember that contracts are a message -- if you roll BW out there at $900K, what message does that send to a) BW b) fans c) future coaching candidates? That this guy is no good or that K-State is cheap? Neither is a message you can send, even if it's true. That's just part of the game. Everybody plays it.

What message does it send when you hire someone that got fired from Illinois?

Who is to say Theus was interested? Or that Antigua was interested?

Who's job is it to MAKE Theus and Antigua interested?

Not defending BW. hiring someone that got fired is black mark, for sure. If this all happens last year, if Frank leaves for Miami and we hire current UI coach oscar Weber, I'd guess there would be a lot less anger. Major difference is that he got canned. Looks bad, no doubt.

And AD's don't usually MAKE people get interested in your job, that isn't how it works. You can follow up several times, sweeten deals, but if a guy says No you have to respect that. You never know when paths cross again. Athletics is a very incestual family -- once you're in it, you just kinda keep pin balling around. So these guys always have one eye on the future.
If what you said earlier is true, this discussion is completely irrelevant regarding Antigua, who wasn't even considered due to our AD's relatively arbitrary requirements.

I know he interviewed current D1 assistants. He also interviewed mid major HC. His takeaway was that he thought someone with HC experience could step in and win right away with no learning curve. You can disagree with result, but I don't think process was an issue. If process brought about a hire you liked, you'd be saying how awesome the process was.

I'm guessing this means he interviewed Henson, Jank, Underwood, and Weber.

If that is true then that is a BS hiring process run by an incompetent.

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #178 on: April 03, 2012, 09:33:03 AM »
He had just been fired from Illinois. I don't see how we can't get him at a discount and give him incentives that would get him back to the going rate and above if he was able to win consistently. Did Currie even try or did oscar tell him GTFO unless you give me the going rate?

I wasn't in contract talks, so don't know. Contract has standard performance bonuses. If he wins, he gets $$. And you need to remember that contracts are a message -- if you roll BW out there at $900K, what message does that send to a) BW b) fans c) future coaching candidates? That this guy is no good or that K-State is cheap? Neither is a message you can send, even if it's true. That's just part of the game. Everybody plays it.

What message does it send when you hire someone that got fired from Illinois?

Who is to say Theus was interested? Or that Antigua was interested?

Who's job is it to MAKE Theus and Antigua interested?

Not defending BW. hiring someone that got fired is black mark, for sure. If this all happens last year, if Frank leaves for Miami and we hire current UI coach oscar Weber, I'd guess there would be a lot less anger. Major difference is that he got canned. Looks bad, no doubt.

And AD's don't usually MAKE people get interested in your job, that isn't how it works. You can follow up several times, sweeten deals, but if a guy says No you have to respect that. You never know when paths cross again. Athletics is a very incestual family -- once you're in it, you just kinda keep pin balling around. So these guys always have one eye on the future.
If what you said earlier is true, this discussion is completely irrelevant regarding Antigua, who wasn't even considered due to our AD's relatively arbitrary requirements.

I know he interviewed current D1 assistants. He also interviewed mid major HC. His takeaway was that he thought someone with HC experience could step in and win right away with no learning curve. You can disagree with result, but I don't think process was an issue. If process brought about a hire you liked, you'd be saying how awesome the process was.

I'm guessing this means he interviewed Henson, Jank, Underwood, and Weber.

If that is true then that is a BS hiring process run by an incompetent.
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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #179 on: April 03, 2012, 09:41:25 AM »
I not trying to convince you guys to like BW or even JC. I've said repeatedly that I'm not defending the hire. But I do think you guys have gone a little overboard in your frustration, and it's clouding your judgment on many other things.

I reached my breaking point with the West Side thread, and I apologize if I was condescending or curt. I enjoy talking with you guys, although I have not enjoyed reading this board the last few days because it honestly made me question whether many of you wanted what's best for K-State or simply to make John Currie's life miserable (and no, I don't think they are the same).

Look, the reality of it is that most of the general public will not find out the details of certain events, namely the Jamar situation and Frank's activities over the last 1.5-2 years. With Jamar, a lot of that is coming from FERPA. That is the main reason for the FOIA refusals, because discussion of Jamar's financial situation and personal details falls under FERPA. With Frank, I don't think K-State gains anything publicly by detailing everything. It could harm everyone involved. So I think they are just going to keep quiet, wish him well, and move on. Unfortunately, Frank was digging a grave that no AD was going to be able to dig him out of. Trust me, it's best for both sides.

The consequence of that is you guys are left to speculate, read reports from "sources" that are probably only telling one side of the story, and then have to form opinions on incomplete information. That sucks, no question. And it's not fair to you guys, no question.

I do think JC has K-State's long term best interest at heart. His method is unique to him, I will say that. And fans at every school have every right to question new hires. I don't see any evidence that he wants bball to be average or SLTHy. Dude wants to win. I've seen it. Again, not defending BW -- I hear everything you're saying about the message it sends to hire a fired coach. I get it. It looks bad. I don't think it is a fireable offense, unless the program goes down the toilet. But you can't fire the guy before BW coaches a game, you just can't.

Like him or not, K-State Athletics is as successful right now on and off the court as it has ever been, across the board. Some of you seem to have lost sight of that in your hatred of this hire.

And I disagree with you, I believe it is possible to support K-State without supporting certain individuals. I supported K-State when Bob Krause was here driving things into the ground, for gods sake.

Last thing -- I am not going to stop you from being upset, and I'm not trying. I do think actively hurting K-State is taking it too far. That's me. JC and KS have seen the negative reactions, they get it that some folks aren't happy. That is why I said a calm, thoughtful email might get more traction than an emotional outburst -- it would stand out. Would it work? Who knows. But then you'd have a place to go if things with oscar don't work out.

What I said last week still stands: my best advice is to wait a little bit, let some things happen. It might make you feel a little better.

Sorry for the long post.

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I appreciate this post and the fact that you take the time to address the opinions of us "young and reckless" fans.  I've said since the time I started posting here that there are a lot of very important voices on this board that could be a major catalyst for positive change...if not for a few posters that take things too far, try to be too edgy, and reflect poorly on every other poster.  Like it or not, every bbs is judged (unfairly) by its most extreme voices...and this bbs has some incredibly extreme voices.  Unfortunately those voices are also pretty persuasive and tend to create a group-think mentality which, in turn, produces goEMAWtards...which is highly counterproductive.  But I also appreciate that the site is an open forum that supports free speech.  It is what it is.

That said, your post sums up why I am so pissed off at Currie.  How hard would it have been for him to say "I can't talk about the situation regarding Jamar in very much detail because of FERPA, but I will try and answer any questions you may have.  Just know that I can't cross that line."  That would've satisfied me and most of us here, I think.  Then he should've been prepared for the questions and answered them as honestly as he could have.  It's not that hard to figure that out and be prepared.  The fact that he wasn't prepared tells me he either doesn't give a crap about what K-State fans think, or he's really REALLY rough ridin' bad at that part of his job (which is a pretty important part of his job).  Either way, it scares the hell out of me.

I understand why he's not being completely honest and straightforward about his relationship with Martin.  I spent a lot of time around Lew Perkins last summer and understand EXACTLY how incestuous the world of college athletics is.  Even if they don't get along, they have a LOT of mutual friends and are bound to have more the longer they're both in this business...and they're both relatively young.  I get it.  I don't expect him to rock that boat anymore than he absolutely has too and anyone that does is just naive.

Overall, we're just really frustrated right now and don't feel like we have a legitimate forum to be heard.  Press conferences turn into clown shows and emails turn into form letter responses.  What are we to do?  You can only treat people like mushrooms for so long until you have a rebellion on your hands.  That's what Currie has created...and it's his own fault.  He is in desperate need of some serious PR help.  You're doing an amazing job of that on this website right now, but I suspect that's not your official job description. 

Thanks again.  Seriously...thanks.  :cheers:
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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #180 on: April 03, 2012, 09:59:58 AM »
Let me see if I can tie together some themes in this thread to provide a summary for the administration and athletic department of how the last couple of weeks turned into a PR disaster.

First, the Jamar thing happened. K-State fans find out about it right before the game. CC, you know what a "K-State" occurrence this was. "Welp, here we go again." In the fallout, we see some of the most public evidence of the Frank/Currie rift that we've seen. We hear about the trashcan. Most of the media immediately call BS and speculate that Currie was either lying or digging through the trash himself. However, most immediate K-State fan reaction is to accept the story and focus anger on the snitch or on Currie for not digging deeper before suspension (still buying Currie's story itself, which is more than the media was doing at this point). Currie's transparency mantra has still earned him enough credit at this point for fans to accept this story.

Next, Frank takes the South Carolina job, which no fan was expecting. Currie and Frank talk about how much they loved each other. Unfortunately, that doesn't really fit, and a lot of K-State fans who were trusting Currie were now rethinking that. There are suggestions that things were about to spiral out of control with Frank...and there were fan concerns about some things with Frank, so most fans weren't panicked at this point, thinking Currie could make a hire that would at least not set K-State back. However, paradigms were shifting rapidly, and when paradigms shift, people tend to react emotionally.

The search is underway, and the fans who have felt heavily invested in this basketball program since its resuscitation want to send the message to Currie that they support out-of-the-box, that they want to win, that they recognize that K-State has some unique challenges that requires some risk in order to try to succeed at the highest level. So you get #TeamPearl and #TeamGottlieb. This isn't just the "flavor of the week" (at least for the instigators)...this is a deliberate statement to Currie that "hey, we know we're not getting Brad Stevens or Shaka Smart, so at least take a look at these guys that some fan bases might not want even considered. We're totally open to it and would be supportive of it." "Worst" case scenario, Underwood or Henson get hired...pretty safe, there would be some complaining, but I think most folks on here would have gotten on board.

Then, BOOM, oscar Weber. And he fumbles through the press conference, a couple of days after Gottlieb, who I think few people actually realistically thought could be hired, gets on the radio and does 10X the job selling K-State and demonstrating his familiarity with the school. So the actual hire gets up there and gives a D- (generous) performance to the fringe candidate's A-. People are sitting there thinking: "how is this guy going to sell the school if this is what he puts out there"? It came across 100% as "Oh, man, I just got fired. What am I going to do? What's that? K-State wants to hire me? The Jayhawks? Oh. Where? Manhattan? Sure, I mean, I got nothing else going on. Might as well. Give me a few talking points. Kansas is a pretty good state for recruiting, right?"  Poor, poor form.

And then the transcript editing and the sunshine pumping out of the President's Twitter and just an utter lack of acknowledgement of the genuine concern and shock regarding everything that had gone down over 2 weeks.   

And even with the shock of everything that went down over that 2 weeks, I still don't think you would have seen nearly the vitriol if it hadn't been for one thing: Currie's transparency mantra. He sold K-Staters on that so hard since he arrived that nearly all of them had bought in. They were on board, and many of them gave him the benefit of the doubt when the media and national folks were laughing and calling "BS." And then he told obvious lies at the press conference about his relationship with Frank, and his folks implied that Frank was about to implode, and the coaching search happened in the dark and went BOOM, and press conferences were edited, and Currie's credibility evaporated along with the transparency. And all those K-Staters that had given him the benefit of the doubt felt they had been played like fools, which is not a good feeling, and tends to make people very, very hurt and very, very angry.

"But," you say, "there are things that cannot be said, because there are laws, and there ways the game is played." I'm sure that's true. But that's not what Currie sold us when he arrived. There were no caveats...there were no asterisks. There was no "we will be transparent until laws get in the way or until things get messy or until we have to play the game." That's not really even that much transparency. What Currie meant was "there will be no secret contracts," but that's not what he said. His biggest misstep all along here may have been the transparency promise.

He was happy to take the benefit of his transparency promise:  K-State fans buying in, giving at an unprecedented level, enabling building projects on a scale not seen before at K-State. But now he's seeing the downside of the promise, and he needs to own it, just like he wants to own the building projects and the other benefits of the promise. He couldn't live up to the scope of his promise, and he needs to own that if he wants to get any credibility back with a significant portion of his fanbase.

This isn't about a radio talk show host. This is about promises and lies and not living up to the standards you set for yourself. This is about reaping the benefits of a passionate fanbase and then not being responsive to their concerns and fears when it appears to them that you're using their passion for your personal gain, without regard for the future of a program in which they have heavily invested.

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #181 on: April 03, 2012, 10:04:33 AM »
What press conference was edited?


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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #182 on: April 03, 2012, 10:08:12 AM »
UPKS received a call from the NCAA about 2 minutes after Frank announced on national TV that he paid players in high school.  The NCAA said that was a very stupid thing Frank just did.  Frank knew at this point he was gone.  What purpose did he have for opening that can of worms? Sure didn't help K-State.

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« Reply #183 on: April 03, 2012, 10:09:52 AM »
Let me see if I can tie together some themes in this thread to provide a summary for the administration and athletic department of how the last couple of weeks turned into a PR disaster.

First, the Jamar thing happened. K-State fans find out about it right before the game. CC, you know what a "K-State" occurrence this was. "Welp, here we go again." In the fallout, we see some of the most public evidence of the Frank/Currie rift that we've seen. We hear about the trashcan. Most of the media immediately call BS and speculate that Currie was either lying or digging through the trash himself. However, most immediate K-State fan reaction is to accept the story and focus anger on the snitch or on Currie for not digging deeper before suspension (still buying Currie's story itself, which is more than the media was doing at this point). Currie's transparency mantra has still earned him enough credit at this point for fans to accept this story.

Next, Frank takes the South Carolina job, which no fan was expecting. Currie and Frank talk about how much they loved each other. Unfortunately, that doesn't really fit, and a lot of K-State fans who were trusting Currie were now rethinking that. There are suggestions that things were about to spiral out of control with Frank...and there were fan concerns about some things with Frank, so most fans weren't panicked at this point, thinking Currie could make a hire that would at least not set K-State back. However, paradigms were shifting rapidly, and when paradigms shift, people tend to react emotionally.

The search is underway, and the fans who have felt heavily invested in this basketball program since its resuscitation want to send the message to Currie that they support out-of-the-box, that they want to win, that they recognize that K-State has some unique challenges that requires some risk in order to try to succeed at the highest level. So you get #TeamPearl and #TeamGottlieb. This isn't just the "flavor of the week" (at least for the instigators)...this is a deliberate statement to Currie that "hey, we know we're not getting Brad Stevens or Shaka Smart, so at least take a look at these guys that some fan bases might not want even considered. We're totally open to it and would be supportive of it." "Worst" case scenario, Underwood or Henson get hired...pretty safe, there would be some complaining, but I think most folks on here would have gotten on board.

Then, BOOM, oscar Weber. And he fumbles through the press conference, a couple of days after Gottlieb, who I think few people actually realistically thought could be hired, gets on the radio and does 10X the job selling K-State and demonstrating his familiarity with the school. So the actual hire gets up there and gives a D- (generous) performance to the fringe candidate's A-. People are sitting there thinking: "how is this guy going to sell the school if this is what he puts out there"? It came across 100% as "Oh, man, I just got fired. What am I going to do? What's that? K-State wants to hire me? The Jayhawks? Oh. Where? Manhattan? Sure, I mean, I got nothing else going on. Might as well. Give me a few talking points. Kansas is a pretty good state for recruiting, right?"  Poor, poor form.

And then the transcript editing and the sunshine pumping out of the President's Twitter and just an utter lack of acknowledgement of the genuine concern and shock regarding everything that had gone down over 2 weeks.   

And even with the shock of everything that went down over that 2 weeks, I still don't think you would have seen nearly the vitriol if it hadn't been for one thing: Currie's transparency mantra. He sold K-Staters on that so hard since he arrived that nearly all of them had bought in. They were on board, and many of them gave him the benefit of the doubt when the media and national folks were laughing and calling "BS." And then he told obvious lies at the press conference about his relationship with Frank, and his folks implied that Frank was about to implode, and the coaching search happened in the dark and went BOOM, and press conferences were edited, and Currie's credibility evaporated along with the transparency. And all those K-Staters that had given him the benefit of the doubt felt they had been played like fools, which is not a good feeling, and tends to make people very, very hurt and very, very angry.

"But," you say, "there are things that cannot be said, because there are laws, and there ways the game is played." I'm sure that's true. But that's not what Currie sold us when he arrived. There were no caveats...there were no asterisks. There was no "we will be transparent until laws get in the way or until things get messy or until we have to play the game." That's not really even that much transparency. What Currie meant was "there will be no secret contracts," but that's not what he said. His biggest misstep all along here may have been the transparency promise.

He was happy to take the benefit of his transparency promise:  K-State fans buying in, giving at an unprecedented level, enabling building projects on a scale not seen before at K-State. But now he's seeing the downside of the promise, and he needs to own it, just like he wants to own the building projects and the other benefits of the promise. He couldn't live up to the scope of his promise, and he needs to own that if he wants to get any credibility back with a significant portion of his fanbase.

This isn't about a radio talk show host. This is about promises and lies and not living up to the standards you set for yourself. This is about reaping the benefits of a passionate fanbase and then not being responsive to their concerns and fears when it appears to them that you're using their passion for your personal gain, without regard for the future of a program in which they have heavily invested.


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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #184 on: April 03, 2012, 10:18:08 AM »
Rams' post is also very good.

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #185 on: April 03, 2012, 10:19:02 AM »
Why is it the only person within the AD that is making me feel any better about anything is the one that could potentially lose his job for doing so?

doesn't this seem mumped?

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #186 on: April 03, 2012, 10:20:19 AM »
UPKS received a call from the NCAA about 2 minutes after Frank announced on national TV that he paid players in high school.  The NCAA said that was a very stupid thing Frank just did.  Frank knew at this point he was gone.  What purpose did he have for opening that can of worms? Sure didn't help K-State.

why is that a problem here but not at USC???

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« Reply #187 on: April 03, 2012, 10:21:45 AM »
What press conference was edited?

The initial one.  the "transcript" is not a "transcript" at all.  It is an edited statement.

In my line of work, if you doctor up a transcript to reflect a "cleaner" version that portrays your employee as not fumbling and making misstatements you will be in front of an ethics/disciplinary panel pretty quick.

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« Reply #188 on: April 03, 2012, 10:22:37 AM »
Why is it the only person within the AD that is making me feel any better about anything is the one that could potentially lose his job for doing so?

doesn't this seem mumped?

A bit, yes.

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« Reply #189 on: April 03, 2012, 10:24:13 AM »
What press conference was edited?

The initial one.  the "transcript" is not a "transcript" at all.  It is an edited statement.

In my line of work, if you doctor up a transcript to reflect a "cleaner" version that portrays your employee as not fumbling and making misstatements you will be in front of an ethics/disciplinary panel pretty quick.
Ha.  I hadn't read it. 

Let me guess: The surname "Barnett" was nowhere to be found?


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« Reply #190 on: April 03, 2012, 10:30:43 AM »
What press conference was edited?

The initial one.  the "transcript" is not a "transcript" at all.  It is an edited statement.

In my line of work, if you doctor up a transcript to reflect a "cleaner" version that portrays your employee as not fumbling and making misstatements you will be in front of an ethics/disciplinary panel pretty quick.
Ha.  I hadn't read it. 

Let me guess: The surname "Barnett" was nowhere to be found?

Nor "Fitzpatrick"

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« Reply #191 on: April 03, 2012, 10:33:44 AM »
Did he contact Pastner?

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« Reply #192 on: April 03, 2012, 10:36:30 AM »
And you downplay a TV analyst, but he sold Manhattan and Kansas State better than Weber. He articulated his style of play better. He had a more developed plan to build a staff. But above all he would have given KSU a chance to build upon the momentum that Frank created. Currie didn't even give him a chance. Why couldn't we wait a day and just talk to Gottlieb? Would Weber have ran to CoC? I mean seriously how small-time is this administration.

The fact is that if you hire Gottlieb, you'll get some laughs on phog.net and a few old writers, but you will also get a ton of positive press for thinking outside the box at a place where you cannot do great things in a conventional manner. And I GUARANTEE you aren't getting national press about Manhattan being a shithole and Currie being a boob because Gottlieb would shut that down before anyone got the chance to say it.
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What you heard was Gottlieb selling himself for the position, not a "more developed plan to build a staff".  Currie avoided the Nebraska-like debacle of publicly discussing their hiring targets, so you did not hear Currie's or Weber's plan for building a staff.  You may agree or disagree with the AD/coach's staffing plans, but Gottlieb did not articulate a workable plan to coach and develop staff.   

Gottlieb stated that he had already talked to potential assistants, and had a plan. Weber said he had not talked to potential assistants and said little more than "I want someone with K-State ties and maybe someone that can maybe recruit texas or something". Who knows, maybe Weber is a liar.

Also, I have no problem with Currie and Weber not publicly discussing targets.

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #193 on: April 03, 2012, 10:38:47 AM »
UPKS received a call from the NCAA about 2 minutes after Frank announced on national TV that he paid players in high school.  The NCAA said that was a very stupid thing Frank just did.  Frank knew at this point he was gone.  What purpose did he have for opening that can of worms? Sure didn't help K-State.

why is that a problem here but not at USC???

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It show a little piece of the pie that our athletic department has had to deal with. It's Franks way or no way, he doesn't think sometimes, he just reacts.  They are juggling a PR nightmare right now with a coach who was loved by most fans (myself included) who wanted to ignore what was going on behind the scenes.  A lot of the rumors going around about our AD are being spread from the former administration. Rather than speculating on message boards, why don't you go inform yourselves by talking to the actual people. 

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #194 on: April 03, 2012, 10:44:10 AM »
What press conference was edited?

The initial one.  the "transcript" is not a "transcript" at all.  It is an edited statement.

In my line of work, if you doctor up a transcript to reflect a "cleaner" version that portrays your employee as not fumbling and making misstatements you will be in front of an ethics/disciplinary panel pretty quick.
Ha.  I hadn't read it. 

Let me guess: The surname "Barnett" was nowhere to be found?

Nor "Fitzpatrick"

nor the question asking about the protestors/angry fans or it's response

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Re: Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« Reply #195 on: April 03, 2012, 10:45:31 AM »
also, very well said, slimz and Rams.

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« Reply #196 on: April 03, 2012, 10:45:35 AM »
Rather than speculating on message boards, why don't you go inform yourselves by talking to the actual people.

Great idea!  Give me a list of all of their phone numbers.  TIA!

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« Reply #197 on: April 03, 2012, 10:45:42 AM »
UPKS received a call from the NCAA about 2 minutes after Frank announced on national TV that he paid players in high school.  The NCAA said that was a very stupid thing Frank just did.  Frank knew at this point he was gone.  What purpose did he have for opening that can of worms? Sure didn't help K-State.

irrelevant.  according to currie, frank told him he was gone the night before.

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« Reply #198 on: April 03, 2012, 10:48:18 AM »
UPKS received a call from the NCAA about 2 minutes after Frank announced on national TV that he paid players in high school.  The NCAA said that was a very stupid thing Frank just did.  Frank knew at this point he was gone.  What purpose did he have for opening that can of worms? Sure didn't help K-State.

why is that a problem here but not at USC???

GTFOOMF

It show a little piece of the pie that our athletic department has had to deal with. It's Franks way or no way, he doesn't think sometimes, he just reacts.  They are juggling a PR nightmare right now with a coach who was loved by most fans (myself included) who wanted to ignore what was going on behind the scenes.  A lot of the rumors going around about our AD are being spread from the former administration. Rather than speculating on message boards, why don't you go inform yourselves by talking to the actual people. 

Yeah, that's a rough ridin' two way street. The AD is spreading these Frank was "out-of-control" and showing up late for practice rumors, yet the entire staff decided to follow this egomaniac who lost his team and just M-F'ed everyone all day. EVERYONE followed him!

Also, how about you rough ridin' inform us?

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« Reply #199 on: April 03, 2012, 10:48:37 AM »
How hard would it have been for him to say "I can't talk about the situation regarding Jamar in very much detail because of FERPA, but I will try and answer any questions you may have.  Just know that I can't cross that line." 

He said exactly that before stumbling through the trash can stuff. He should have just said "I can't get into the specifics, sorry", but he tried to dance around it and made himself look bad. He was trying to explain without giving detail, and that wasn't going to work in this spot. But he did preface his comments by saying that because of FERPA he was limited.