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Hiring Process Discussion with CC
« on: April 02, 2012, 03:48:07 PM »
dammit, I came in here and now I'm less mad @ currie

is there any way we could have currie be in charge of all excel spreadsheets and pencil pushing, and then get bob krause up in this bitch to handle coaching searches and compliance  :love:
Anyone could have gotten that thing built.  Especially considering the season we just had.

So, to be clear: because he didn't hire a TV analyst as head men's basketball coach, the largest facility project in K-State history is now no longer an achievement?

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dammit, I came in here and now I'm less mad @ currie

is there any way we could have currie be in charge of all excel spreadsheets and pencil pushing, and then get bob krause up in this bitch to handle coaching searches and compliance  :love:
Anyone could have gotten that thing built.  Especially considering the season we just had.

So, to be clear: because he didn't hire a TV analyst as head men's basketball coach, the largest facility project in K-State history is now no longer an achievement?

 :clac:

I think its because AFTER A GRUELING 3 DAY SEARCH he hired LHC oscar Weber. Please more insider nuggets though, don't clac on us.

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dammit, I came in here and now I'm less mad @ currie

is there any way we could have currie be in charge of all excel spreadsheets and pencil pushing, and then get bob krause up in this bitch to handle coaching searches and compliance  :love:
Anyone could have gotten that thing built.  Especially considering the season we just had.

So, to be clear: because he didn't hire a TV analyst as head men's basketball coach, the largest facility project in K-State history is now no longer an achievement?

 :clac:

It may be too late, but I mumped up here guys.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2012, 04:12:59 PM by "storm"nut »
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dammit, I came in here and now I'm less mad @ currie

is there any way we could have currie be in charge of all excel spreadsheets and pencil pushing, and then get bob krause up in this bitch to handle coaching searches and compliance  :love:
Anyone could have gotten that thing built.  Especially considering the season we just had.

So, to be clear: because he didn't hire a TV analyst as head men's basketball coach, the largest facility project in K-State history is now no longer an achievement?

 :clac:

Captain, that what piss me off the most about the hcbw hire. Currie was on a roll, he would ask for money and get it. Now with his handling of Frank and oscar, threw it all in the firing pit, burnt it, and is now pissing on the ashes.

Sorry, I'm done.

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dammit, I came in here and now I'm less mad @ currie

is there any way we could have currie be in charge of all excel spreadsheets and pencil pushing, and then get bob krause up in this bitch to handle coaching searches and compliance  :love:
Anyone could have gotten that thing built.  Especially considering the season we just had.

So, to be clear: because he didn't hire a TV analyst as head men's basketball coach, the largest facility project in K-State history is now no longer an achievement?

 :clac:

Captain, that what piss me off the most about the hcbw hire. Currie was on a roll, he would ask for money and get it. Now with his handling of Frank and oscar, threw it all in the firing pit, burnt it, and is now pissing on the ashes.

Sorry, I'm done.



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dammit, I came in here and now I'm less mad @ currie

is there any way we could have currie be in charge of all excel spreadsheets and pencil pushing, and then get bob krause up in this bitch to handle coaching searches and compliance  :love:
Anyone could have gotten that thing built.  Especially considering the season we just had.

So, to be clear: because he didn't hire a TV analyst as head men's basketball coach, the largest facility project in K-State history is now no longer an achievement?

 :clac:

Captain, that what piss me off the most about the hcbw hire. Currie was on a roll, he would ask for money and get it. Now with his handling of Frank and oscar, threw it all in the firing pit, burnt it, and is now pissing on the ashes.

Sorry, I'm done.

Well eff. That was not quite the response I was expecting. Maybe I should just stop posting.
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Was just a matter of time.  This place isn't going to get any more currie-friendly now and it is obvs that CC respects Currie and Currie's work. 

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Was just a matter of time.  This place isn't going to get any more currie-friendly now and it is obvs that CC respects Currie and Currie's work.

 :facepalm: Has nothing to do with Currie. You guys are so pissed about f-ing Gottlieb you've just turned into this total mob mentality over his name. I get that you liked Frank and don't like oscar. Fine. But you guys are praising people who purposefully destroyed K-State property, encouraging people to go to games and boo, thinking of ways to pull funding from facility projects.. I mean, these are things that in no way help K-State, a place you supposedly care about. This is not how you act about a place you love. At all. All because you believe the ends would justify the means?  :jerk:

I'm sorry, I have zero interest in coming on here now because there's no more room for rational talk about anything. This thread sealed it for me -- if you can't even praise this west side project because of a goddam TV ANALYST not being hired, then there's no point. You're past coherent thought.

K-State always comes first for me, not an AD or a coach. I'm willing to let BW prove his worth before I judge him or Currie's hire. K-State has just had arguably the two best overall seasons in Athletics in school history back-to-back. And some of you I truly believe would physically injure Currie gleefully because a goddam TV ANALYST wasn't hired as a coach. Just... pathetic.

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Was just a matter of time.  This place isn't going to get any more currie-friendly now and it is obvs that CC respects Currie and Currie's work.

 :facepalm: Has nothing to do with Currie. You guys are so pissed about f-ing Gottlieb you've just turned into this total mob mentality over his name.

It's NOT just about Gottlieb. There are PLENTY of hires that would have been much better received - a guy like Orlando Antigua or Reggie Theus or even Rick Ray would have deserved a chance and not have been so reviled. The fact is oscar Weber is a proven FAILURE. He was FIRED.
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And you downplay a TV analyst, but he sold Manhattan and Kansas State better than Weber. He articulated his style of play better. He had a more developed plan to build a staff. But above all he would have given KSU a chance to build upon the momentum that Frank created. Currie didn't even give him a chance. Why couldn't we wait a day and just talk to Gottlieb? Would Weber have ran to CoC? I mean seriously how small-time is this administration.

The fact is that if you hire Gottlieb, you'll get some laughs on phog.net and a few old writers, but you will also get a ton of positive press for thinking outside the box at a place where you cannot do great things in a conventional manner. And I GUARANTEE you aren't getting national press about Manhattan being a shithole and Currie being a boob because Gottlieb would shut that down before anyone got the chance to say it.
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Snyder is building that expansion.


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Goddammit, you guys.

Seriously, we don't deserve the condescension or dismissal of our opinions. His post reads like a checklist of why I am so pissed at this administration.

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Goddammit, you guys.

Seriously, we don't deserve the condescension or dismissal of our opinions. His post reads like a checklist of why I am so pissed at this administration.

Posts like yours are the reason I don't want to come back. Even?

You're incapable of discussing this rationally because you wanted A TV ANALYST to coach your basketball team.

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CC, nobody is saying Currie didn't help get the facility project on the ground.  If anything, we know it will make the "get Currie canned" campaign harder. 

I do think however that any good "salesperson" can sell two winning programs (as well as Frank and Bill) to donors for money.  Currie was all but a salesman.  If you want to give someone credit for managing the Athletic Department's money, give it to Reid Sigmon.  Reid has eyes of a hawk, and watches every single dollar that comes in and out of that foundation. 

Frank situation aside, I think everyone is frustrated how Currie handled the coaching hire.  He took one week to get one of the least desirable coaches on the market, yet for a price we were unwilling to pay Frank.  Weber's hire made the thought of Boyle being our head coach a wet-dream.  I think any one of us could have made a hire as equal or better.  Add the terrible press conference, not knowing who he would bring with him, and the likelihood of Underwood bailing is sending everyone over the edge.

Now we have national media looking down on us, throwing out the "Manhattan is hard to recruit" type excuses our direction to validate the Weber hire.  I mean how many schools have hired a head coach a month after he was fired?  Right, nobody.  This hire sucks, and so was the effort put out by Currie.

     
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Goddammit, you guys.

Seriously, we don't deserve the condescension or dismissal of our opinions. His post reads like a checklist of why I am so pissed at this administration.

Posts like yours are the reason I don't want to come back. Even?

You're incapable of discussing this rationally because you wanted A TV ANALYST to coach your basketball team.

CC, how many candidates were legitimately interviewed for the job?

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Goddammit, you guys.

Seriously, we don't deserve the condescension or dismissal of our opinions. His post reads like a checklist of why I am so pissed at this administration.

Posts like yours are the reason I don't want to come back. Even?

You're incapable of discussing this rationally because you wanted A TV ANALYST to coach your basketball team.

The fact that I wanted an analyst means I'm not rational? I'm willing to discuss other options, but apparently that is null and void because I wanted someone with no coaching experience to coach our basketball team. Seems reasonable.

Have you heard of Fred Hoiberg? Honest question.

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CC, nobody is saying Currie didn't help get the facility project on the ground.  If anything, we know it will make the "get Currie canned" campaign harder. 

I do think however that any good "salesperson" can sell two winning programs (as well as Frank and Bill) to donors for money.  Currie was all but a salesman.  If you want to give someone credit for managing the Athletic Department's money, give it to Reid Sigmon.  Reid has eyes of a hawk, and watches every single dollar that comes in and out of that foundation. 

Frank situation aside, I think everyone is frustrated how Currie handled the coaching hire.  He took one week to get one of the least desirable coaches on the market, yet for a price we were unwilling to pay Frank.  Weber's hire made the thought of Boyle being our head coach a wet-dream.  I think any one of us could have made a hire as equal or better.  Add the terrible press conference, not knowing who he would bring with him, and the likelihood of Underwood bailing is sending everyone over the edge.

Now we have national media looking down on us, throwing out the "Manhattan is hard to recruit" type excuses our direction to validate the Weber hire.  I mean how many schools have hired a head coach a month after he was fired?  Right, nobody.  This hire sucks, and so was the effort put out by Currie.

     
Well said.


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Was just a matter of time.  This place isn't going to get any more currie-friendly now and it is obvs that CC respects Currie and Currie's work.

 :facepalm: Has nothing to do with Currie. You guys are so pissed about f-ing Gottlieb you've just turned into this total mob mentality over his name. I get that you liked Frank and don't like oscar. Fine. But you guys are praising people who purposefully destroyed K-State property, encouraging people to go to games and boo, thinking of ways to pull funding from facility projects.. I mean, these are things that in no way help K-State, a place you supposedly care about. This is not how you act about a place you love. At all. All because you believe the ends would justify the means?  :jerk:

I'm sorry, I have zero interest in coming on here now because there's no more room for rational talk about anything. This thread sealed it for me -- if you can't even praise this west side project because of a goddam TV ANALYST not being hired, then there's no point. You're past coherent thought.

K-State always comes first for me, not an AD or a coach. I'm willing to let BW prove his worth before I judge him or Currie's hire. K-State has just had arguably the two best overall seasons in Athletics in school history back-to-back. And some of you I truly believe would physically injure Currie gleefully because a goddam TV ANALYST wasn't hired as a coach. Just... pathetic.

 :clac:

i love the fball expansion and the practice facility. they are great achievements and there a lot of aspects of john curries job that i personally think he is really good at. i couldn't be more excited for the bsfs expansions.

i'm also very sad and upset because i'm pretty sure that having a winning basketball team is not on our athletic directors top 20 list of things he wants for the university and it shouldn't be this way.

it's also not as much about gottleib as you are portraying it. it really isn't. not even close. trust me. it just absolutely isn't.

most people (not just people here but kansas state fans in general) wish frank was still the head coach. most here think that frank would still be our head coach if john currie was not appointed as AD three years ago. now would we have the shiny bball practice facility or major upgrade to bsfs? i don't know. pretty sure we'd still have frank though. that's what half of this is about, i think.

the other half is that we really just went out and hired a coach that was given a basketball team full of future nba talent at a top25 basketball school, a school that has never fired a coach before for performance based issues and in three years our new coach managed to give them their worst six years in school history. john was reaching out to weber before frank was even officially gone for crying out loud. why? by all accounts he made no effort. none at all to retain frank. we effectively chased off frank to hire a coach that the university of illinois disliked so much that they paid almost 4 million to him so that he would STOP coaching them. it was not working at illinois and it was not going to work there so they sucked it up, paid the money and moved on. they are not and were not content with being a "bubble" team forever and should be commended for their actions.

there is no reason to think it will work here, none. i also personally don't need to take a wait and see approach to know this. i just don't. i like illinois basketball and i have seen enough over the past five years. i don't need to see five more. i also personally don't feel like i need to support mediocrity even at kstate when i also happen to feel like mediocrity was the goal and not the end result.


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I love KSTATE and it hurts because it seems that John Currie does not.

Kstate was in its best position ever to make a basketball coaching hire and we have no evidence that John Currie did his due diligence to fulfill his duty to do what is best for Kstate and all who love her.

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CC, nobody is saying Currie didn't help get the facility project on the ground.  If anything, we know it will make the "get Currie canned" campaign harder. 

I do think however that any good "salesperson" can sell two winning programs (as well as Frank and Bill) to donors for money.  Currie was all but a salesman.  If you want to give someone credit for managing the Athletic Department's money, give it to Reid Sigmon.  Reid has eyes of a hawk, and watches every single dollar that comes in and out of that foundation. 

Frank situation aside, I think everyone is frustrated how Currie handled the coaching hire.  He took one week to get one of the least desirable coaches on the market, yet for a price we were unwilling to pay Frank.  Weber's hire made the thought of Boyle being our head coach a wet-dream.  I think any one of us could have made a hire as equal or better.  Add the terrible press conference, not knowing who he would bring with him, and the likelihood of Underwood bailing is sending everyone over the edge.

Now we have national media looking down on us, throwing out the "Manhattan is hard to recruit" type excuses our direction to validate the Weber hire.  I mean how many schools have hired a head coach a month after he was fired?  Right, nobody.  This hire sucks, and so was the effort put out by Currie.

     

Add this on top of the fact that everything surrounding the circumstances of Jamar's suspension and Frank's running off stinks to high heaven and you have a pretty potent mixture for dissent.

CC, I said this on the bball board. An AD has three primary responsibilities: 1. Raise money and build/renovate facilities 2. Be a responsible steward of the programs he runs and 3. Maintain good relationships with your top coaching and playing talent. By numerous accounts, he's done a very poor job of the 2nd and 3rd responsibilities, which could end up leading to poor results in the first responsibility down the road.

Currie has done a VERY good job raising money and improving facilities. Absolutely nobody will argue this. But when he runs off our best basketball coach in 25 years and botches the hiring process to replace Frank (and no, I'm not a Gottlieb-or-nothing type, I would have taken numerous other non-SLTH options) and essentially gives the fans the middle finger in the process, there are going to be damning questions about his leadership regardless of what he's done for fundraising and facilities.

If Currie had given us some answers instead of just acting as if dissent towards the Weber hire doesn't exist, we wouldn't be in the position that we're in today.

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CC, nobody is saying Currie didn't help get the facility project on the ground.  If anything, we know it will make the "get Currie canned" campaign harder. 

I do think however that any good "salesperson" can sell two winning programs (as well as Frank and Bill) to donors for money.  Currie was all but a salesman.  If you want to give someone credit for managing the Athletic Department's money, give it to Reid Sigmon.  Reid has eyes of a hawk, and watches every single dollar that comes in and out of that foundation. 

Frank situation aside, I think everyone is frustrated how Currie handled the coaching hire.  He took one week to get one of the least desirable coaches on the market, yet for a price we were unwilling to pay Frank.  Weber's hire made the thought of Boyle being our head coach a wet-dream.  I think any one of us could have made a hire as equal or better.  Add the terrible press conference, not knowing who he would bring with him, and the likelihood of Underwood bailing is sending everyone over the edge.

Now we have national media looking down on us, throwing out the "Manhattan is hard to recruit" type excuses our direction to validate the Weber hire.  I mean how many schools have hired a head coach a month after he was fired?  Right, nobody.  This hire sucks, and so was the effort put out by Currie.

     

Goddammit, I siad I was done, but I keep getting pulled back in. Feel free to move this discussion to ball board, don't want to hijack FB threads.

Agree with you on Reid, but he is acting on directive and feedback from JC. So, you have to credit him for that as well.

Coaching search was quick, but thorough. Weber was not first choice. Know that Boyle said no. Current assistants at other schools were interviewed, but in the end JC wanted previous head coaching experience. Personally don't have any fault with conduct of search. He wanted to move fast, he wasn't doing anything else but the search.

I would not have picked BW myself, but I am willing so give it a chance. Not sure who is a better choice -- we weren't getting Mack or Cronin or people like that. You can name off assistants like Hurricane -- but who's to say that dude can recruit at a place that's not like Kentucky? JC wanted previous HC, preferably at a BCS level. It's perfectly acceptable to want that.

PC was a little rough -- but he did know who he wanted for assistants. You can't just rattle them off at a PC, especially if some of them are still on the job elsewhere. It's called discretion. Staff is going to come together quickly this week, and some good names will be on there.

Listen, I am not saying you can't be upset. But maybe turn the rage dial down to single digits before one of you sets a bomb off in the training facility as a "show of support for Frank". You're never going to accomplish your goal if people see you as fanatical about it. And maybe, just maybe, wait to see what the staff is, what recruits gets signed, etc before slitting wrists.  :dunno:

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Goddammit, you guys.

Seriously, we don't deserve the condescension or dismissal of our opinions. His post reads like a checklist of why I am so pissed at this administration.

Posts like yours are the reason I don't want to come back. Even?

You're incapable of discussing this rationally because you wanted A TV ANALYST to coach your basketball team.

CC, how many candidates were legitimately interviewed for the job?

I think 4, plus BW, but not sure. Currie kept it very quiet.

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CC, nobody is saying Currie didn't help get the facility project on the ground.  If anything, we know it will make the "get Currie canned" campaign harder. 

I do think however that any good "salesperson" can sell two winning programs (as well as Frank and Bill) to donors for money.  Currie was all but a salesman.  If you want to give someone credit for managing the Athletic Department's money, give it to Reid Sigmon.  Reid has eyes of a hawk, and watches every single dollar that comes in and out of that foundation. 

Frank situation aside, I think everyone is frustrated how Currie handled the coaching hire.  He took one week to get one of the least desirable coaches on the market, yet for a price we were unwilling to pay Frank.  Weber's hire made the thought of Boyle being our head coach a wet-dream.  I think any one of us could have made a hire as equal or better.  Add the terrible press conference, not knowing who he would bring with him, and the likelihood of Underwood bailing is sending everyone over the edge.

Now we have national media looking down on us, throwing out the "Manhattan is hard to recruit" type excuses our direction to validate the Weber hire.  I mean how many schools have hired a head coach a month after he was fired?  Right, nobody.  This hire sucks, and so was the effort put out by Currie.

     

Goddammit, I siad I was done, but I keep getting pulled back in. Feel free to move this discussion to ball board, don't want to hijack FB threads.

Agree with you on Reid, but he is acting on directive and feedback from JC. So, you have to credit him for that as well.

Coaching search was quick, but thorough. Weber was not first choice. Know that Boyle said no. Current assistants at other schools were interviewed, but in the end JC wanted previous head coaching experience. Personally don't have any fault with conduct of search. He wanted to move fast, he wasn't doing anything else but the search.

I would not have picked BW myself, but I am willing so give it a chance. Not sure who is a better choice -- we weren't getting Mack or Cronin or people like that. You can name off assistants like Hurricane -- but who's to say that dude can recruit at a place that's not like Kentucky? JC wanted previous HC, preferably at a BCS level. It's perfectly acceptable to want that.

PC was a little rough -- but he did know who he wanted for assistants. You can't just rattle them off at a PC, especially if some of them are still on the job elsewhere. It's called discretion. Staff is going to come together quickly this week, and some good names will be on there.

Listen, I am not saying you can't be upset. But maybe turn the rage dial down to single digits before one of you sets a bomb off in the training facility as a "show of support for Frank". You're never going to accomplish your goal if people see you as fanatical about it. And maybe, just maybe, wait to see what the staff is, what recruits gets signed, etc before slitting wrists.  :dunno:

Okay, so the coaching search may have been above board even though it didn't come off that way. I'll acknowledge the possibility despite my skepticism. But why are we paying him more than he made at Illinois? Why are we paying him more than Frank made here? It doesn't make sense.