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Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« on: April 02, 2012, 12:11:40 PM »
Obviously this hire rubs me the wrong way but it's taken a bit of time to sift through precisely what it is about Weber that makes him such an anathema.  Then it hit me: he hasn't taken responsibility for his failure which pretty much guarantees he's going to repeat it. 

Consider that Huggins took a steaming talentless pile of dogshit and made it into something that was almost a winner. 

Martin took a much improved roster with a couple of young NBA guys and a whole bunch of freshmen, won with them right away and parlayed that into a perennial blue collar winner despite never having had a shot at doing so before.  When Martin's teams failed he'd point to the areas of poor performance but always, ALWAYS, noted simultaneously that preparing the team to perform well was his responsibility and that therefore any failure by the team was his fault. 

Contrast Martin with Weber who took a roster full of NBA talent, won a bit but not as much as you'd expect, then embarked on a long slow death spiral that ended with the program morphing into a perfect replica of the proverbial steaming pile of dogshit.  oscar's response to his utter & pathetic failure?  "I guess maybe I had something to do with that."  Really oscar?  Do you rough ridin' suppose? 

That folks is why I believe it likely that next year will be the high water mark of oscar Weber's tenure at KSU.  He doesn't seem to recognize that the steaming pile of dogshit that can be smelt all the way in Kansas when the wind is out of the east is nobody's fault but his.  You recruited the players oscar.  You signed 'em, coached 'em, gave the motivational speeches at halftime.  You chose the assistants, you hired 'em, you retained 'em.  You installed the offense, defense & set plays.  No piece of that pathetic failure in Champaign is the responsibility of anyone but you and until you own it and acknowledge it you're going to be doomed to repeat it. 

I mean is there anyone here who doesn't understand that the first resume you throw away is the one from the candidate who disclaims responsibility for their own past failures?  Apparently John Currie doesn't.  What bothers me most about Currie's involvement in the whole sordid afair wasn't that he may have flown to Dallas to spend four days locked in a hotel room masturbating over his candidate list, it's that he sought out someone with the one trait that guarantees failure.  Huggie may have been a drunk arrogant hillbilly but he is and always will be a winner because those things aren't the sort that prevent one from succeeding.  Martin may well have been a nanosecond away from a nervous breakdown and / or aneurysm but a bad temper the physical effects of which are likely to eventually kill the man is also not something destined to prevent one from being a winner.  But Weber's ability to look at his obvious decade long failure and the steaming pile of dogshit he'd made Bill Self's program into and say, "Well maybe I had a little something to do with that?"  GMAFB

So oscar, it's time for a presser.  Cry a little, acknowledge your pathetic failure at Illinois fully, and do the mea culpa thing.  Tell us why it happened (hint: it's your own damn fault), what you learned & why we should believe it's not going to happen at KSU. 

You too Currie you rough ridin' little weasel.  You hired the failure, tell us why.   


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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 12:21:00 PM »
My god I can't wait until his radio show starts. I have SO MANY questions for this man.

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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 12:21:42 PM »
Good new topic.  A lot of new, refreshing thoughts on Weber and Currie.  Thanks for allowing me to read.

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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 12:25:27 PM »
Nobody, and I mean nobody, plays the victim like oscar Weber plays the victim.  You could introduce him to an underage girl that had just been gang-raped and within minutes he'd have her feeling like she didn't have it so bad. 
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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 12:25:50 PM »
Thought about posting it in the "Support oscar Weber" thread but you can just never have enough of these threads.   :shakesfist:

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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 12:28:15 PM »
To me it seems clear that Currie wanted a hire with head coaching experience.

He likely found he had no chance with guys like Mack, Pastner, Cronin.

Then he went after Boyle and Alford, at least through their agents, and got turned down. The stuff that got leaked connecting them to K-State didn't happen by accident.

He wasn't willing to go after an assistant, or take a chance on someone like Gottlieb.

So he ended up having to settle for Weber.

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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 12:28:50 PM »
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You too Currie you rough ridin' little weasel.  You hired the failure, tell us why.

That's just it. If this coward could abstain from regurgitating the same mindless drivel that seems to be commonplace in these situations, and at least HINT at how this all came about, he MIGHT actually calm the waters a bit. Might.
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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2012, 12:31:44 PM »
To me it seems clear that Currie wanted a hire with head coaching experience.

He likely found he had no chance with guys like Mack, Pastner, Cronin.

Then he went after Boyle and Alford, at least through their agents, and got turned down. The stuff that got leaked connecting them to K-State didn't happen by accident.

He wasn't willing to go after an assistant, or take a chance on someone like Gottlieb.

So he ended up having to settle for Weber.

It usually takes the average chick more than five days to settle on the idea that the chubby awkward guy with the 10 year old Honda will: a) be a pretty good provider for a while; and b) is the best that she's ever going to do.  At least play the field a little y'know? 

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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2012, 12:39:28 PM »
Oneof the things that bothers me is that he really doesn't have an incentive to win other than to "show" Illinois that they were wrong.  I mean he got paid by them to leave and we were dumb enough to pay him more?  What stops him from just shrugging his shoulders in two years when we suck?  He knows he's banking it regardless of how he does.

Fifteen minutes later, when the Kansas locker room opened its doors to the media, the Jayhawks were still crying. Literally, bawling. All of them. I've never seen anything like it, and I've seen devastated college locker rooms -- after losses in the Final Four, the national championship game -- ever

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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2012, 12:44:42 PM »
Oneof the things that bothers me is that he really doesn't have an incentive to win other than to "show" Illinois that they were wrong.  I mean he got paid by them to leave and we were dumb enough to pay him more?  What stops him from just shrugging his shoulders in two years when we suck?  He knows he's banking it regardless of how he does.

His incentive is the contract renewal he'll get in his 3rd (-ish) year if he appears to be successful.  That'll lock him in 'til the Alzheimer's sets in. :barf:

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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2012, 01:09:24 PM »
Anyone hear of KSU talking to Larry Shyatt at Wyoming?  The Ed thinks that happened.

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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2012, 01:29:52 PM »
Anyone hear of KSU talking to Larry Shyatt at Wyoming?  The Ed thinks that happened.

Who?

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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2012, 02:52:49 PM »
Anyone hear of KSU talking to Larry Shyatt at Wyoming?  The Ed thinks that happened.
Sounds like the type of candidate that the Turner head hunters would come up with when Currie gave them the inputs of high major head coaching experience and "integrity" where integrity = white guy that I could go to church with

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Re: Attn oscar Weber: The Buck Stops on Your rough ridin' Desk
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2012, 05:36:02 PM »
Oneof the things that bothers me is that he really doesn't have an incentive to win other than to "show" Illinois that they were wrong.  I mean he got paid by them to leave and we were dumb enough to pay him more?  What stops him from just shrugging his shoulders in two years when we suck?  He knows he's banking it regardless of how he does.

Well, I think Bill Self does legitimately bother him. So there's that.