SUPPORT oscar WEBER

[steve dave]

KState didn't just get Weber (Bubbles).  This is a package deal.  KState also will be receiving Jay Price and Pimp Daddy McClain.  And hopefully, Bubbles prized recruiting class.

good post. is this confirmed?

[purplekrush117]

KState didn't just get Weber (Bubbles).  This is a package deal.  KState also will be receiving Jay Price and Pimp Daddy McClain.  And hopefully, Bubbles prized recruiting class.

You mean the Jay Price that recruited Meyers Leonard?

[SouthernIllinoisRedneck]

KState didn't just get Weber (Bubbles).  This is a package deal.  KState also will be receiving Jay Price and Pimp Daddy McClain.  And hopefully, Bubbles prized recruiting class.

good post. is this confirmed?

I can't confirm it.  But I'd be shocked if McClain and Price don't come.  The prized recruiting class may not.  Bubbles and Groce might have to fight over that one.  You'll probably also get Nottingham on the staff.  That guy is a difference maker.

[SouthernIllinoisRedneck]

KState didn't just get Weber (Bubbles).  This is a package deal.  KState also will be receiving Jay Price and Pimp Daddy McClain.  And hopefully, Bubbles prized recruiting class.

You mean the Jay Price that recruited Meyers Leonard?

Yep.  The guy that was going to deliver the Zeller brothers to Illinois.

[SouthernIllinoisRedneck]

KState didn't just get Weber (Bubbles).  This is a package deal.  KState also will be receiving Jay Price and Pimp Daddy McClain.  And hopefully, Bubbles prized recruiting class.

You mean the Jay Price that recruited Meyers Leonard?

And by the way, in case you didn't know, Illinois has owned almost every single southern Illinois recruiting battle.

[ChiComCat]

So they go after a lot of the same players?

[nate mast clone 5]

KState didn't just get Weber (Bubbles).  This is a package deal.  KState also will be receiving Jay Price and Pimp Daddy McClain.  And hopefully, Bubbles prized recruiting class.

You mean the Jay Price that recruited Meyers Leonard?

And by the way, in case you didn't know, Illinois has owned almost every single southern Illinois recruiting battle.

There was no recruiting battle for Meyers.  He is from a small poor town south of U of I.  He was a skinny point guard before he hit a freak growth spurt.  He wanted to go to Illinois.  He got signed right before he hit the radar.  As of today, not one guy that signed with Weber has played a second in the NBA.

[michigancat]

We have a bunch of damned retards around here.  If you blindy support this fucknut, Currie is going to view that as a green light to take the entire athletic department to crap one hire at a time.  When it's time to replace Snyder, if God forbid Currie is still here, he's not going to think twice and he'll hire the first person some old fart recommends.  If we are lucky enough to be rid of Weber, he'll do the same thing again with the next basketball hire.  He doesn't give a eff whether we win or lose, and unless the fans show him that it matters, that's not going to change.

I support K-State. Yeah it doesn't make sense, that's the point. If the guy sucks then I'll be calling for his head but I can't see the future.

The best way to support K-State is to let the administration know this bullshit won't be tolerated and make sure it doesn't happen again.  John Currie and oscar Webber are not K-State.

I'm not saying its a great hire or a shitty hire. I'm just gonna see what happens before I melt down, that's all.  If in 2 years emaw basketball sucks then I'll be just as irate as everyone is today.

Exactly. I hate how everyone is bitching about the hire and he's never coached a game for KState yet. Give him a chance and let him prove himself before you all flip crap.

Hey dumbass, I know you're a dumbass and all but nobody needs to see him coach a game at K-State. He has proven he is a loser at the D1 level for the past 6 years. But don't expect to not get called a dumbass in the process. GTFOOH with that "wait and see" garbage.

Okay, come back and talk to me next March.

Next year proves absolutely nothing. Unless half the team leaves because they don't want to play for Weber, next year's team should be expected to make at least a sweet 16 and anything less than a making the 2nd round should be considered a dissapointment. The only way next season could influence me towards liking this hire is at least a final 4 and some indication of building a future (solid recruiting, solid coaching staff).

As a BCS program that has won a game in each of the last 3 NCAA tournaments and has shown a commitment to improving facilities we should not be forced to wait and see on a coach like Weber. I'd have been willing to wait and see on a gamble (like we did with Huggs and Frank, and could have done with Gottlieb) that would have brought a face and and an image to our program. Weber doesn't do that. Weber doesn't excite the fanbase, it doesn't excite the media, and it doesn't excite potential recruits.

This is a great post. Our roster created a perfect opportunity for a "risky" hire because the talent minimizes the initial worst case scenario. Instead of getting someone that could build on the momentum Frank created into something potentially very special, we're going to have people happy with our NCAA win next season and tourney appearance the year after that and they won't realize the program is being destroyed.

Then when Weber inevitably gets fired, there is no soft landing for a risky hire and we settle for some shitbag like Greg McDermott.

eff everything about this hire.

[IlliniTillIDie]

I can guarantee you guys Jay Price will be on your staff. Nobody else in the college basketball world would hire him and he is Weber's most loyal defender.  He goes around posting on our message boards defending oscar Weber.  He is extremely pathetic.  Apparently it was his idea to not play the bench in our loss against Northwestern this year.  Genius.     

Wayne McClain was promised a "lifetime" contract by our last AD who was and is a complete idiot.  Of course that is unenforceable, but the fact that McClain brought that up wanting our AD to enforce it means that he either has no other job opportunities or no motivation to continue coaching.  He has not brought in a noteworthy recruit in at least 10 years.  I'm not sure exactly what he's been doing over that time.  I would hope that Weber has the sense not to keep him on. 

Jerrance was the only assistant Weber had who was worth a crap.  He turned down a job with Calipari at Kentucky a couple years ago.  He has come out and stated he wants to stay in Champaign which is great, he bleeds orange and blue.  Most fans have no idea if Groce is going to hire him.  There is speculation that Jabari Parker's high school coach is in play as we try to recruit him and Kendrick Nunn.  If Jerrance does not stay on at Illinois I think he will go to a more high profile program than KSU.  The only reason he's still at Illinois is because he bleeds orange and blue.  If you get Jerrance you should be thrilled, he is a hell of a recruiter.  The problem is he is hamstrung by oscar Weber so whatever recruit he brings in will never develop.

My advice to you guys is to hope for a good basketball season.  Hope your players stay.  If so you may be able to make some noise.  Of course, you're unlikely to go past the Sweet 16 because Weber has already limited the players expectations to that.  He has no confidence in them to do better and is tempering expectations so when he fails he can claim nobody expected him to do any better. 

The key thing is to remove Currie immediately.  You do not want to give Weber any contract extensions.  Make it uncomfortable for him.  Do not ever let the idiots that support him trick you into thinking he is a good coach.  Not on x's and o's, not on recruiting, not on motivating players, not on substitutions, not on anything.  Let common sense prevail.  Trust your own eyes.  If need be, watch tape of the last 5 Illini seasons and see what he is building towards.  With talent any idiot can succeed as has been shown time and time again in March.  Hope the talent you have does well next season and get rid of him after year two when the buyout is more manageable.  Or better yet, force him to jump ship by making things miserable for him.   

Also: make sure your local press doesn't fall into his games.  He gets them to lower expectations by claiming the fans are stupid and have unrealistic expectations.  He stayed at Illinois 6 years past his expiration date because no members of the press actually called him out for his stupidity.  They claim he is "honest" which is ridiculous.  If you reporters start labeling Weber as "honest" call them out on it.  Saying in your opening presser that it will be hard to recruit to KSU is not being honest, it is admitting defeat and preparing your fandom for failure.  Hell, he should have been fired right then and there for cause. 

Best of luck to you guys.  Don't let a little success go to your heads.  I wanted Weber fired one month into his tenure at Illinois, then things changed and I supported him for a few years.  Of course, he didn't bring in a single decent recruit his first 4 seasons but somehow we thought that would change.  Even if he gets an early commitment like he did from Eric Gordon (who bailed) and Jereme Richmond (who barely lasted a season and barely played) don't let it make you think this guy can actually get it done.  He can't.  He cannot build a team that is talented and plays with confidence because he doesn't recruit those kinds of players and he shatters their confidence before they get on the court. 

It is so tragic that this man is given another chance to ruin a program and make young men miserable.  I feel terrible for you guys.  I think I'm going to move on now, maybe come back during football season as I'm a K State football fan now ... but don't forget how bad of a hire this is.  You'll be stuck with him for 10 years and you'll never want to watch another K State basketball game again.  Good luck!
 

[W.Churchill]

Anyone who watched that press conference should wonder if Weber was auditioning to play Jed Clampett in the revision of "Beverly Hillbillies". 

[Illiniphil85]

Anyone who watched that press conference should wonder if Weber was auditioning to play Jed Clampett in the revision of "Beverly Hillbillies".

Funny you should mention it

[catzacker]

I think Howard will end up at KU w/  Self if he doesn't stay at Illinois.

[Trim]

So now we've got AAU coaches out there that think he's a racist to boot.  That's rough ridin' great.   

That was my takeaway too.

[massofcatfan]

Saying in your opening presser that it will be hard to recruit to KSU is not being honest, it is admitting defeat and preparing your fandom for failure.  Hell, he should have been fired right then and there for cause.   

   

[catzacker]

I can guarantee you guys Jay Price will be on your staff. Nobody else in the college basketball world would hire him and he is Weber's most loyal defender.  He goes around posting on our message boards defending oscar Weber.  He is extremely pathetic.  Apparently it was his idea to not play the bench in our loss against Northwestern this year.  Genius.     

christ, we could only hope.  would be the only way to make it through this abortion.

[Pete]

PurpleKrush is a notorious WFF (Weber First Fan) from the Illini HQ forum. Do not think the Scout Board or OrangeKrush117 are representative of Illini Nation.

Weber has good intentions, but is just bad at it. He's a whiner, not a leader. He plays the victim instead of overcoming challenges. He couldn't fill Self's shoes and I certainly can't see him filling Martin's. His recruiting was all over the map, usually a year behind the curve. JMHO, but this is possibly the worst job he could have landed. This is a similar situation to Illinois. Taking over from a popular coach that bolted. He wasn't that impressive a hire at Illinois, but most gave him more than a fair chance. He's already off on the wrong foot here and I can't picture this ending pretty.

After poisoning Illini Nation with your hate, now you feel the need to continue beating a good man in a pathetic attempt to poison the fans of Kansas State.  Before he's ever coached a game? 

Weber took Illinois to 37-2 and the national championship game.  Weber's first 3 years were the best 3 years stretch Illinois has ever had.  He was the victim of many unfortunate incidents.  The Chicago area blackballed him because he wasn't one of them - just like what happened to Kruger.  He had to deal with unethical coaches in the AAU scene there calling him a racist.  He had to deal with following up a coach that likely cheated and definitely played in the gray area.  He had to deal with the former head coach stealing recruits away from the area as he spent the last year recruiting Collins and Wright and Villanueva away to his new job.  He had to deal with fans that didn't like his voice, or his suits, or his hair.  Just horrible angry people that hated him because he wasn't a slick car salesmen that cheated.

And through all that, he took Illinois the the title game.  Deron Williams talks glowingly of him, I'll talk his word over that of a basement dwelling internet poster. 

I just wish that the haters could move on and simply wish oscar Weber well.  He's a good man, a family man, an ethical man, and he's a hell of a great coach. 

I hope he takes KSU to heights not seen.

I want that other coach you are describing.  The slick one.  That's the one that I want, because it sounds like he wins and doesn't act like a rough ridin' pussy.

[sys]

hey retards, he had a chance.  he failed.  it's ok to hate him from the outset.  you don't have to wait till he fails here too. 



eff kstate, eff currie, eff weber.  i do not support any of them, and it is not possible to separate them.

[J06ksu]

If you hate this hire direct it at John Currie and "Mr. Loyalty" Frank Martin, not oscar Weber. Remember, Frank bailed on us..Currie pushed him out. Those are the guys that put us in this situation. All Weber did was get a good job opening and now that he got it he deserves a fair shot from our fan base. The last thing we'd want a quality future coach to see is a fan base turn on a coach who was never given a chance to succeed which is a big turn off because it gives an impression of inflated expectations and negative environment.

At least Weber is a well known name in coaching circles/high schools and has had successful high major teams in a better league than the Big 12. I wanted Gottlieb or some other outside the box hire but it could be a lot worse, like some no name mid-major HC or assistant who no decent recruit has ever heard of.

If you hate this hire, direct it at Currie and Martin who selfishly put their personal strife ahead of the program, school, players and fans to run away from each other and/or improver their own resumes. Dislike, place blame, hate those guys but Weber deserves a chance and the players deserve support. After all the program momentum generated over the past six years, the worst thing that could happen to the basketball program is to fall off the map and start from scratch in 3-4 years. If "the drunk" Huggins followed by "no-name" Frank Martin then "failed at Illinois" oscar Weber can all end up successful at KSU it would reflect well on K-State and its fans and will attract quality coaches in the future. This is a great place to run a basketball program, don't help make it become sh1tty again because of two selfish losers.

[ChiComCat]

If Weber succeeds, it would reflect well ont he program because it pretty much says any rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) can do it.

[sys]

Weber deserves a chance.

false.  the worst thing you can do for kstate bball is give weber a chance or support the team over the next 3-4 years.

[doom]

Weber deserves a chance.

false.  the worst thing you can do for kstate bball is give weber a chance or support the team over the next 3-4 years.

Agreed.  sys, who should we have hired?  I was all for #teamgott.

[Pete]

If you hate this hire direct it at John Currie and "Mr. Loyalty" Frank Martin, not oscar Weber. Remember, Frank bailed on us..Currie pushed him out. Those are the guys that put us in this situation. All Weber did was get a good job opening and now that he got it he deserves a fair shot from our fan base. The last thing we'd want a quality future coach to see is a fan base turn on a coach who was never given a chance to succeed which is a big turn off because it gives an impression of inflated expectations and negative environment.

At least Weber is a well known name in coaching circles/high schools and has had successful high major teams in a better league than the Big 12. I wanted Gottlieb or some other outside the box hire but it could be a lot worse, like some no name mid-major HC or assistant who no decent recruit has ever heard of.

If you hate this hire, direct it at Currie and Martin who selfishly put their personal strife ahead of the program, school, players and fans to run away from each other and/or improver their own resumes. Dislike, place blame, hate those guys but Weber deserves a chance and the players deserve support. After all the program momentum generated over the past six years, the worst thing that could happen to the basketball program is to fall off the map and start from scratch in 3-4 years. If "the drunk" Huggins followed by "no-name" Frank Martin then "failed at Illinois" oscar Weber can all end up successful at KSU it would reflect well on K-State and its fans and will attract quality coaches in the future. This is a great place to run a basketball program, don't help make it become sh1tty again because of two selfish losers.

Hey dumb dumb, Weber ran Illinois into the rough ridin' ground after having inherited an NBA roster from Bill Self.

He has a losing record in the Big10.

We just hired a rough ridin' loser. 

[Pete]

hey retards, he had a chance.  he failed.  it's ok to hate him from the outset.  you don't have to wait till he fails here too. 



eff kstate, eff currie, eff weber.  i do not support any of them, and it is not possible to separate them.

THIS

[Barry McCockner]

Let's be clear bout one thing:  By supporting oscar Weber you are implicitly supporting John Currie, and the fact that he made this shitpile of a hire.  You are supporting a guy who's most important rough ridin' job, his primary responsibility, is to put coaching in place in football and men's basketball that will result in people sending him truckloads of cash.  That's it, everything else is just PR and schmoozing.  Nothing else he does is all that important in comparison.  Don't give me the bullshit about him building the BBPF - Bob Huggins and Frank Martin did that - Currie was just the man who caled the architecture firm...eff he probably didn't even do that.  He has done ***ONE*** task since he has been here that was exponentially more important than anything else, and managed to shove oscar Weber up our ass.

So go on, support oscar if you want, but if you do, you are supporting John Currie and all he's done and stands for.  If you're good with that, then eff YOU - you obviously hate K-State.

Good post

Thank you.  I work best when fueled by sheer hatred and seething rage.

[SalukiNation]

KState didn't just get Weber (Bubbles).  This is a package deal.  KState also will be receiving Jay Price and Pimp Daddy McClain.  And hopefully, Bubbles prized recruiting class.

And Chris Lowery if Jerrace Howard takes a different assisstant job or stays at Illinois. 

Yes, the same Lowery who ran off every good player he recruited, the Lowery who threw every Saluki player under the bus, and the same Lowery who took SIU from the Sweet 16 and almost beating KU there to the basement of the Valley and 8-23. 

I'm sure OrangePurpleKrush is defending this hire if it happens, and it probably will happen. 

Meanwhile, OrangePurpleKrush is getting fired upon on IlliniHQ.

http://forums.illinihq.com/topic/23736-orangekrush117-admits-he-is-a-wff-on-ksu-board/

Good luck EMAW's!  Looks to me like most of you have the correct strategy by pushing for Currie to go immediately.