Frank watch 2012:

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this isn't an issue of frank shopping around b/c he wants a raise.  right or wrong, he's mad and wants to quit.

i think currie needs to start putting fingers into the dam, because it's about to break.

Correct imo on the issue.  Currie should be oil-checking the crap out of this dam.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

2) those last few sentences seem a little overly righteous if you ask me. he certainly wasn't a nobody when he got to kstate. you seem to think he owes you something. sad. i hope you really enjoyed that elite 8 run.

Frank Martin was absolutely, unequivocally nobody when he got to K-State. 

i don't think he owes me, personally, anything.  I think he owes this school and program a lot.  Whether he stays or leaves, whether he tells Currie to go eff himself, I think Martin owes the fans and the university respect.       

I agree with this.   He was sleeping on a couch on some guy's basement when he came here.    KSU gave him the stage to make himself.   He does owe us the courtesy of not burning us publicly in any way.     He's not Huggy - Huggy didn't owe us jack.

[Belvis Noland]

Fairly compensating a coach will increase the likelihood of that becoming the case.

He is fairly compensated.  he could be compensated more.  no question.  but, he's a top 35 program making top 25 money.  Frank's compensation shouldn't cause him to walk off the job. 

If Frank were coaching ball tonight instead of recruiting a JuCo tourney, maybe this convo would be different.   

[kso_FAN]

this isn't an issue of frank shopping around b/c he wants a raise.  right or wrong, he's mad and wants to quit.

i think currie needs to start putting fingers into the dam, because it's about to break.

Correct imo on the issue.  Currie should be oil-checking the crap out of this dam.

Currie could still fix it IMO. Guaranteed money in a contract, whether that is Frank's intent, can do a lot to fix a damn.

Not that I necessarily think this has a high probability of happening.

[ChiComCat]

Its a job.  He doesn't owe us crap.  I'm not still at the same job that gave me my first gig in management, and I'd be willing to bet you all aren't at your first jobs out of loyalty either.  I know for a lot of us, there is a lot of emotion involved, and I'm sure some is on Frank's part as well.  But at the end of the day, it's a job and he is an employee.

[CNS]

2) those last few sentences seem a little overly righteous if you ask me. he certainly wasn't a nobody when he got to kstate. you seem to think he owes you something. sad. i hope you really enjoyed that elite 8 run.

Frank Martin was absolutely, unequivocally nobody when he got to K-State. 

i don't think he owes me, personally, anything.  I think he owes this school and program a lot.  Whether he stays or leaves, whether he tells Currie to go eff himself, I think Martin owes the fans and the university respect.       

I disagree with the premise that a coach who has done what frank has done in the last 5 yrs still owes anything to the uni that gave him his start if the uni isn't compensating at fair market value.  I mean, how long can you ride some implied loyalty for giving someone a job?  Answer: not long if that person is really good at what they do.

Also, just because Frank wasn't an HC doesn't mean he was dogshit and that those at KSU taught him how to coach or anything.  New people get hired all the time for positions they haven't held before.  It's the way the entire world works.

[Belvis Noland]

Yeah, but how realistic is this?

I mean we once had a guy who was from just down the road and now has his number retired at K-State and he left at one of the first chances he had to get out of here.

If paid top-25 money, I think it should be realistic.  Guess I'm just naiive. 

Not saying he should be locked into his K for life.  He should be bumped.  I just don't think this job sucks.  I don't think 1.8 sucks.  If Martin disagrees, maybe he should move on.  If Currie won't budge, maybe he should move on. 

[CNS]

Fairly compensating a coach will increase the likelihood of that becoming the case.

He is fairly compensated.  he could be compensated more.  no question.  but, he's a top 35 program making top 25 money.  Frank's compensation shouldn't cause him to walk off the job. 

If Frank were coaching ball tonight instead of recruiting a JuCo tourney, maybe this convo would be different.   

I agree with whoevs said it above: what would we have to pay someone to come in who is currently at Frank's level or above?  That is the value that you need to keep in mind.

I mean, Shaka just turned down Beem's dream job for $750,000 more per year than Frank makes at a job Beems wouildn't take in a million years.

[michigancat]

You know what sucks worse than Frank being pursued for job openings and Frankings?

Having a coach that nobody wants and not having D1 quality kids to run off.  Jesus Christ people.

Also it seems to me the people that expect unconditional loyalty from Frank are the same ones that wanted to run him off in January.

 

I honestly wouldn't care if Illinois wanted him and he was seriously considering it. If Calhoun retires and UConn calls, it wouldn't bother me a bit. But flirting with the SEC equivalent of Texas Tech is just dickish and rude.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

Its a job.  He doesn't owe us crap.  I'm not still at the same job that gave me my first gig in management, and I'd be willing to bet you all aren't at your first jobs out of loyalty either.  I know for a lot of us, there is a lot of emotion involved, and I'm sure some is on Frank's part as well.  But at the end of the day, it's a job and he is an employee.

But you didn't walk across the street to the Starbucks and tell people how much you hated working at XYZ Company either to try to get a raise.     That's all he owes us IMHO - discretion.

[michigancat]

Yeah, but how realistic is this?

I mean we once had a guy who was from just down the road and now has his number retired at K-State and he left at one of the first chances he had to get out of here.

If paid top-25 money, I think it should be realistic.  Guess I'm just naiive. 

Not saying he should be locked into his K for life.  He should be bumped.  I just don't think this job sucks.  I don't think 1.8 sucks.  If Martin disagrees, maybe he should move on.  If Currie won't budge, maybe he should move on. 

He isn't paid top 25 money.

[Belvis Noland]

Its a job.  He doesn't owe us crap.  I'm not still at the same job that gave me my first gig in management, and I'd be willing to bet you all aren't at your first jobs out of loyalty either.  I know for a lot of us, there is a lot of emotion involved, and I'm sure some is on Frank's part as well.  But at the end of the day, it's a job and he is an employee.

He's a college coach.  he's not an accountant or mailman.  Jobs like his are the reason boards like this exist.  He's in the business of making passionate fans happy.  It's in his job description.  Selling tix.   

Nobody gives a crap about people like us. 

[Mikeyis4dcats]

Yeah, but how realistic is this?

I mean we once had a guy who was from just down the road and now has his number retired at K-State and he left at one of the first chances he had to get out of here.

If paid top-25 money, I think it should be realistic.  Guess I'm just naiive. 

Not saying he should be locked into his K for life.  He should be bumped.  I just don't think this job sucks.  I don't think 1.8 sucks.  If Martin disagrees, maybe he should move on.  If Currie won't budge, maybe he should move on. 

He isn't paid top 25 money.

Gotta be close....

http://www.therichest.org/sports/highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches/   Top 10 goes to $2mil

[WillieWatanabe]

Re: Martin and agent "floating" his name out there and other "dick" stuff.

If Martin is floating his name out there, why is he using some podunk dixiefried blogger, and Fitz equivalent rivals guy? He has Goodman in his backpocket, and Goodman has only mentioned things to squash the rumors.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

According to this, Frank was 24th as of his last contract.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-coaches-salary-database.htm

[ChiComCat]

Its a job.  He doesn't owe us crap.  I'm not still at the same job that gave me my first gig in management, and I'd be willing to bet you all aren't at your first jobs out of loyalty either.  I know for a lot of us, there is a lot of emotion involved, and I'm sure some is on Frank's part as well.  But at the end of the day, it's a job and he is an employee.

He's a college coach.  he's not an accountant or mailman.  Jobs like his are the reason boards like this exist.  He's in the business of making passionate fans happy.  It's in his job description.  Selling tix.   

Nobody gives a crap about people like us. 

This all is no reason why he should feel obligated to stay at a job if he feels he would be happier somewhere else.  Any expectation for him to do so out of some sense of "owing us" is just stupid.  That would be stupid for any job, regardless of being a coach/mailman/accountant/etc.

[mocat]

According to this, Frank was 24th as of his last contract.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-coaches-salary-database.htm

That was only for coaches/teams who made the tourney last year

[sonofdaxjones]

For me the number is $1.75 million a year, toss in bonuses he'll make nearly $2 million a year.

Anything beyond needs to come with painting another Final Four year up on the wall or least some trophies a little more elite than some nameless mid-season tourney in Hawaii.

 

[Mikeyis4dcats]

According to this, Frank was 24th as of his last contract.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-coaches-salary-database.htm

That was only for coaches/teams who made the tourney last year

Ah, good catch.     IMHO still a reasonable comparison source though.    Doubt very many high paid coaches missed the tourney.

[michigancat]

Yeah, but how realistic is this?

I mean we once had a guy who was from just down the road and now has his number retired at K-State and he left at one of the first chances he had to get out of here.

If paid top-25 money, I think it should be realistic.  Guess I'm just naiive. 

Not saying he should be locked into his K for life.  He should be bumped.  I just don't think this job sucks.  I don't think 1.8 sucks.  If Martin disagrees, maybe he should move on.  If Currie won't budge, maybe he should move on. 

He isn't paid top 25 money.

Gotta be close....

http://www.therichest.org/sports/highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches/   Top 10 goes to $2mil

Frank is 24th on this list, and I know Buzz Williams and Matt Painter got new deals that put them past Frank. It is also only NCAA coaches, so it doesn't consider guys like Anthony Grant and Travis Ford that make over $2million.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-coaches-salary-database.htm

[michigancat]

For me the number is $1.75 million a year, toss in bonuses he'll make nearly $2 million a year.

Anything beyond needs to come with painting another Final Four year up on the wall or least some trophies a little more elite than some nameless mid-season tourney in Hawaii.

To me that seemed like a fair number until I considered who KSU would land for that on an open market. The candidates in that price range or lower are going to be complete dogshit.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Yeah, but how realistic is this?

I mean we once had a guy who was from just down the road and now has his number retired at K-State and he left at one of the first chances he had to get out of here.

If paid top-25 money, I think it should be realistic.  Guess I'm just naiive. 

Not saying he should be locked into his K for life.  He should be bumped.  I just don't think this job sucks.  I don't think 1.8 sucks.  If Martin disagrees, maybe he should move on.  If Currie won't budge, maybe he should move on.

god damnit. if you quote that incorrect 1.8 number one more rough ridin' time i am going to drive to where you work and let the air out of your tires.

[sonofdaxjones]

Some schools are just dumb . . . Travis Ford isn't worth over $2 million a year.

$145,833 a month for Frank sounds about right, plus car allowance, clubs, travel, expense account, nice bonus structure . . .pretty sweet gig, without tremendously high expectations.

[michigancat]

Some schools are just dumb . . . Travis Ford isn't worth over $2 million a year.

$145,833 a month for Frank sounds about right, plus car allowance, clubs, travel, expense account, nice bonus structure . . .pretty sweet gig, without tremendously high expectations.

every coach gets those perks and bonuses - you keep acting like those are Frank Martin exclusives. Seriously, you need to think about who KSU would get for 1.8 on the open market.

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I don't think Frank's happy here anymore. He's seemed sad ever since Dalonte left. Maybe they were best friends.