Frank watch 2012:

[Dr Rick Daris]

No, you assume he will.  His boss may not be willing to give him a raise unless someone comes at him with a better offer.

You are assuming Currie will do the right thing.  Do not make that assumption when the manager/employee have a strained relationship.

And you assume he won't.  Currie may be willing to give him a raise even if nobody else comes at him with a better offer.  See 2010. 

You are assuming Currie will do the wrong thing.  Do not make that assumption when the manager/employee may not have a strained relationship.

frank actually did have an offer in 2010. maybe that's why he feels like he needs another. currie low balled the hell out of him before it.

[steve dave]

yeah, depaul offered frank a lot of money

[stobblebobby]

 

Currie and Frank will always have different personalities, and I think whether those differences cross the line into who has what authority when it comes to running the program, I don't think will be the deciding factor. I don't think Frank leaves KSU for power struggles that can be resolved internally (despite his admitted lack of ability to "be a man") and I don't think Frank leaves KSU because he doesn't have an AD that will go out with him and take some temperatures at Mustangs.

Main talking point that I just don't buy is that he's disrespecting the KSU fans by not squashing the rumors. We know, and he knows, that he is a tier 2 coach, but probably like a tier 3 or 4 recruiter. Whether or not you buy the "you can't recruit in Manhattan" line, he has been sitting for the last few years on a gradually decreasing talent level. For him to NOT consider other jobs/locations would be dumb.

A (probably better reasoned that it actually is) possible thought process for Frank:
"Hmmm SC is talking to me about their job"
"I do like it here in MHK, and these fans are stupid loyal to me, but boy oh boy as soon as this gets out it's going to blow up on the message boards, but I mean I don't really give much of a crap about those any way."
"Let's see... my only real recruiting pipeline for me personally is Miami/Florida, and I might have a better shot at getting those kids to come up to SC than MHK, plus once Rod leaves here... I'm nervous"
"Well... I don't honestly want to leave, but I should probably listen to those guys, and so I don't want to definitely squash those rumors, plus who knows maybe more monies for me?"
"But damn... those damn message boards and Sports talk radio shows... oh wait I DON'T CARE"
"Welp, I guess the only thing I can really do is stay quiet on this one"

[Dugout DickStone]

I'll just drop this reminder in . . .

In a month Frank will be paid a $250K bonus just for being at K-State.  (Also don't forget he was paid another $468K bonus just for signing his re-done contract a couple of years ago). 

He's also going to get a $104K bonus for reaching the NCAA tourney, he's going to get a $25K bonus for for K-State's rising APR score, he might get another $50K bonus if men's basketball's GSR is higher than the student body.   

Frank's total salary/bonus compensation (does not include the laundry list of fringe benefits like cars, clubs, travel, expense accounts) for this year . . . projected $1.679 million to $1.729 million.

Check your source.


Just kidding, but in reality, over the past 24 months Currie has given Frank a nice contract and built him a $17 million basketball only training facility that is the best in the conference. 

What more can he?  I am firmly pro-Frank but after awhile it gets tough to figure out what exactly he wants...

[Stupid Fitz]

Not sure how much he should make.  I think he deserves more if that is what he wants.  He has done a hell of a lot for Cat Hoops.  I mean, 4-5 years ago, would anyone have even considered us having a coach invited to sit on the desk for the tourney?  Granted, I know that means we lost, but it is pretty badass having Frank there again.

I do agree that this sucks and that I wish he would just pick a number and let Currie give it a thumbs up for thumbs down so we don't have to do this every year.

#teamFrank

[Dr Rick Daris]

yeah, depaul offered frank a lot of money

yep. they ended up getting this guy instead.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=5059657

[Stevesie60]

yeah, depaul offered frank a lot of money

Oregon offered him a hell of a lot of money that year, too.

[ksupamplemousse]

If I'm Frank, and I'm arguably the best basketball coach K-State has had, certainly the best in the modern era, and our athletic department made $25MM in profit last year, I want a rough ridin' raise. Period. 

I could give a crap how he decides to go about it.  There are approximately 1000 K-State fans even aware that Frank's name is being mentioned in connection with the South Carolina job.

^^This. The whole point of turning around our athletic department financially is so that you can pay PROVEN coaches well enough to keep them from having wandering eyes. KSU doesn't have a lot of advantages, and the best way to maximize the advantage that we do have, which is coaches that are doing a great job for the most part, is to use the resources that you have to keep them here. What the hell are we going to spend that 25 million on anyway if not coaches? A rough ridin' limestone wall. Eff that. Let's lock Frank up longterm.

[michigancat]

How would you consider Frank's peers in the coaching business?

I would say:

Kevin Stallings (1.7 million)
Mark Turgeon (2.5 million(!))
Leonard Hamilton (1.5 million)
John Beilein (1.7 million)
Bob Huggins (1.8 million)
Jamie Dixon (1.4 million)
Lorenzo Romar (1.3 million)
Matt Painter (2.3 million)
Mike Anderson (2.2 million)

So you could maybe get Frank to $2 million without it being much of a stretch.

[Skipper44]

one of the reasons this stuff happens every year is that Katz is his agent.  I just perused the client list for KMG and Frank is easily one his biggest sources of income.

When one of your best clients spent the first half of the NFL season substitute teaching you need every extra 100G Frank can come up with.

[Dr Rick Daris]

make a list of all of the coaches that have made the tournament 4 out of the last five years. add their salaries together and then divide by the number of people on that list.

Along the same lines of the "Frank is one of the best coaches in America" talking point...

Currie renegotiated Martin's contract two years ago which included annual increases of $100k, $250k 'bonus' this year for staying for the past two seasons and another $500k bonus if he stays until year 5 of that agreement. His team finished 3rd in the Big 12 the year he renegotiated, finished 4th last year and 5th this year.

But, yeah should be paid elite money like elite coaches becuase he's advanced to the 2nd round of the tourney a lot.

do you have a problem paying him that money? because i think we pretty much know what we have with frank and if he leaves it will cost us about the same amount of money with a very very real chance that we end up with doc sadler 2.0. do you think our hire after he leaves will be better or do you just really, really want the athletic dept to make 23.7 million instead of just 23.2. help me out here because i can't for the life of me figure out what the hell you're doing w/ this talk.

[Dr Rick Daris]

also, dalonte was on staff when franks last salary was worked out and he's not anymore. that alone frees up 300k.

[pissclams]

I think he deserves more if that is what he wants.

lol, you've just summarized the majority of the thread in one very Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) sentence

[Skipper44]

make a list of all of the coaches that have made the tournament 4 out of the last five years. add their salaries together and then divide by the number of people on that list.

Along the same lines of the "Frank is one of the best coaches in America" talking point...

Currie renegotiated Martin's contract two years ago which included annual increases of $100k, $250k 'bonus' this year for staying for the past two seasons and another $500k bonus if he stays until year 5 of that agreement. His team finished 3rd in the Big 12 the year he renegotiated, finished 4th last year and 5th this year.

But, yeah should be paid elite money like elite coaches becuase he's advanced to the 2nd round of the tourney a lot.

do you have a problem paying him that money? because i think we pretty much know what we have with frank and if he leaves it will cost us about the same amount of money with a very very real chance that we end up with doc sadler 2.0. do you think our hire after he leaves will be better or do you want the athletic dept to make 23.7 million instead of just 23.2. help me out here because i can't for the life of me figure out what the hell you're doing w/ this talk.

No joke, pay attention to the Nebrasketball coaching search.  As much as we think we are light years better than NU it  is a pretty similar job.

[GoodForAnother]

make a list of all of the coaches that have made the tournament 4 out of the last five years. add their salaries together and then divide by the number of people on that list.

Along the same lines of the "Frank is one of the best coaches in America" talking point...

Currie renegotiated Martin's contract two years ago which included annual increases of $100k, $250k 'bonus' this year for staying for the past two seasons and another $500k bonus if he stays until year 5 of that agreement. His team finished 3rd in the Big 12 the year he renegotiated, finished 4th last year and 5th this year.

But, yeah should be paid elite money like elite coaches becuase he's advanced to the 2nd round of the tourney a lot.

do you have a problem paying him that money? because i think we pretty much know what we have with frank and if he leaves it will cost us about the same amount of money with a very very real chance that we end up with doc sadler 2.0. do you think our hire after he leaves will be better or do you want the athletic dept to make 23.7 million instead of just 23.2. help me out here because i can't for the life of me figure out what the hell you're doing w/ this talk.

No joke, pay attention to the Nebrasketball coaching search.  As much as we think we are light years better than NU it  is a pretty similar job.

heh, no not really

[ksupamplemousse]

make a list of all of the coaches that have made the tournament 4 out of the last five years. add their salaries together and then divide by the number of people on that list.

Along the same lines of the "Frank is one of the best coaches in America" talking point...

Currie renegotiated Martin's contract two years ago which included annual increases of $100k, $250k 'bonus' this year for staying for the past two seasons and another $500k bonus if he stays until year 5 of that agreement. His team finished 3rd in the Big 12 the year he renegotiated, finished 4th last year and 5th this year.

But, yeah should be paid elite money like elite coaches becuase he's advanced to the 2nd round of the tourney a lot.

do you have a problem paying him that money? because i think we pretty much know what we have with frank and if he leaves it will cost us about the same amount of money with a very very real chance that we end up with doc sadler 2.0. do you think our hire after he leaves will be better or do you want the athletic dept to make 23.7 million instead of just 23.2. help me out here because i can't for the life of me figure out what the hell you're doing w/ this talk.

You didn't factor in the buyout $$ for Doc Sadler 2.0 when he goes all SLTH on our asses 

[Skipper44]

make a list of all of the coaches that have made the tournament 4 out of the last five years. add their salaries together and then divide by the number of people on that list.

Along the same lines of the "Frank is one of the best coaches in America" talking point...

Currie renegotiated Martin's contract two years ago which included annual increases of $100k, $250k 'bonus' this year for staying for the past two seasons and another $500k bonus if he stays until year 5 of that agreement. His team finished 3rd in the Big 12 the year he renegotiated, finished 4th last year and 5th this year.

But, yeah should be paid elite money like elite coaches becuase he's advanced to the 2nd round of the tourney a lot.

do you have a problem paying him that money? because i think we pretty much know what we have with frank and if he leaves it will cost us about the same amount of money with a very very real chance that we end up with doc sadler 2.0. do you think our hire after he leaves will be better or do you want the athletic dept to make 23.7 million instead of just 23.2. help me out here because i can't for the life of me figure out what the hell you're doing w/ this talk.

No joke, pay attention to the Nebrasketball coaching search.  As much as we think we are light years better than NU it  is a pretty similar job.

heh, no not really

true, NU does not have a blue blood in the same state

[Belvis Noland]

do you have a problem paying him that money? because i think we pretty much know what we have with frank and if he leaves it will cost us about the same amount of money with a very very real chance that we end up with doc sadler 2.0. do you think our hire after he leaves will be better or do you just really, really want the athletic dept to make 23.7 million instead of just 23.2. help me out here because i can't for the life of me figure out what the hell you're doing w/ this talk.

I don't have a problem paying him 10mil a year if that's what Currie wants to do.  But, if Currie doesn't want to be a moron and pay him more than what's meritted, I don't have a problem with that either. 

Ultimately, I think Frank should be making in the 1.5 - 2.2 range.  Which is exactly where he's at.  We're not rough ridin' him on his salary.  We're not rough ridin' him on facilties.  We're not rough ridin' him on resources.  We're paying the assistants what Frank wants.  If he's unhappy and wants to make a powerplay after taking 5th in the Conference, then he's a bitch.  plain and simple. 

That's what I'm doing w/ this talk.   Not too hard to figure out.

[sys]

i feel bad for michigancat and belvis.  how sad to have gone through their entire lives without knowing the sweet, exhilarating joy of irrational hatred for another human.

[sys]

FWIW from what I was told, Frank cleaned up his act because he felt the fanbase was out of control, not because Currie told him to.

martin issued a public statement swearing off swearing, and made a noted effort to tone down his in-game emotions (despite those emotions being the foremost feature of the kstate-martin brand) because he felt like his reputation as an angry, profane coach limited his job prospects.

[pissclams]

belvis just owned rick daris's facial region.  omg. 

[MakeItRain]

I believe Belvis,pissclams, and Rusty all said Currie built Frank a training facility.  Anyone who thinks this should be ignored at best slapped in the mouth at worst.  That take is either amazingly stupid or highly intellectually dishonest.

[michigancat]

I believe Belvis,pissclams, and Rusty all said Currie built Frank a training facility.  Anyone who thinks this should be ignored at best slapped in the mouth at worst.  That take is either amazingly stupid or highly intellectually dishonest.

jesus christ. In that case, Frank doesn't actually win games either you semantic-arguing dolt.

[Dr Rick Daris]

belvis just owned rick daris's facial region.  omg. 

no he didn't. he's been complaining for pages about frank parading around for other job offers but didn't even know that frank had other offers back in 2010 when currie initially way way low balled him before he got them and then finally paid once frank once he had offers in hand. currie set the foundation for how frank apparently needs to negotiate with him. plus he said frank should be making anywhere from 1.5-2.2. i mean why not just say he should make somewhere from one dollar to eighty bajillion dollars. that's a stupid large ballpark and frank's also right at the bottom. good lord.

[ksupamplemousse]

I believe Belvis,pissclams, and Rusty all said Currie built Frank a training facility.  Anyone who thinks this should be ignored at best slapped in the mouth at worst.  That take is either amazingly stupid or highly intellectually dishonest.

Yeah, if it were any other coach asking for a practice facility, Currie would have told the coach to GTFO