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Re: Deb Patterson just lost a tourney game by 50 points, do you care?
« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2012, 12:28:10 AM »
Let's try and keep the discourse civil, fellas.

The point of this thread is the giant gapping hole of crap into which we pour money, which is also called women's basketball (and every other sport that is not football or men's basketball).

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Re: Deb Patterson just lost a tourney game by 50 points, do you care?
« Reply #76 on: March 20, 2012, 12:29:23 AM »
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Women's basketball is useless, the lesbian makes too much money

Ooooohhhhhh so edgy.  Some of you are more tuckish than you're willing to see.

Bonnie Hendrickson at KU currently makes $635,000 per year.  In 2009, she got paid $1.8 million, about $1.3 million of which was a bonus for making it through five years without getting fired for cause.  Poor performance is not considered cause.  She never made the NCAA tournament until this year as an 11 seed.  Here are her Big 12 coaching records:

2005:  5-11
2006:  5-11
2007:  4-12
2008:  4-12
2009:  6-10
2010:  5-11
2011:  6-10
2012:  8-10

Would you believe she got an extension, bonus, and pay raise in 2009?  We are living the high-life over here compared to those suffering through 8 years of Bonnie-Ball and genuinely overpaying for it.   



Bonnie has been plagued with injuries her entire time at KU, and has improved the program on a year-to-year basis since taking over.  The process has been slow, but KU was doing really well this year until our best player (Caroline Davis) went out with an ACL injury.  We play Delaware in the NCAA tournament tomorrow, so I'd say our season has been just as good as K-State's.  I doubt we'll set an NCAA record for lowest point total in an NCAA tournament game.

Deb's a good coach, no doubt.  All she has to do is beat KU and make the post season, and she'll have a lifetime contract.  That's pretty much the standard for every single head coach in K-State's athletic department.  Forget championships.  Just beat KU and don't miss the post season and K-State fans will be content.

Hey you rough ridin' sociopath, go away.  How sad is your life that you are seeking validation on a women's basketball thread on another schools board.

You seriously need to reevaluate the direction of your life.  Stop placing so much of your self worth on what strangers think about sports at a school you once attended.  Seek clinical help, seriously.



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Re: Deb Patterson just lost a tourney game by 50 points, do you care?
« Reply #77 on: March 20, 2012, 12:31:17 AM »
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Women's basketball is useless, the lesbian makes too much money

Ooooohhhhhh so edgy.  Some of you are more tuckish than you're willing to see.

Bonnie Hendrickson at KU currently makes $635,000 per year.  In 2009, she got paid $1.8 million, about $1.3 million of which was a bonus for making it through five years without getting fired for cause.  Poor performance is not considered cause.  She never made the NCAA tournament until this year as an 11 seed.  Here are her Big 12 coaching records:

2005:  5-11
2006:  5-11
2007:  4-12
2008:  4-12
2009:  6-10
2010:  5-11
2011:  6-10
2012:  8-10

Would you believe she got an extension, bonus, and pay raise in 2009?  We are living the high-life over here compared to those suffering through 8 years of Bonnie-Ball and genuinely overpaying for it.   



Bonnie has been plagued with injuries her entire time at KU, and has improved the program on a year-to-year basis since taking over.  The process has been slow, but KU was doing really well this year until our best player (Caroline Davis) went out with an ACL injury.  We play Delaware in the NCAA tournament tomorrow, so I'd say our season has been just as good as K-State's.  I doubt we'll set an NCAA record for lowest point total in an NCAA tournament game.

Deb's a good coach, no doubt.  All she has to do is beat KU and make the post season, and she'll have a lifetime contract.  That's pretty much the standard for every single head coach in K-State's athletic department.  Forget championships.  Just beat KU and don't miss the post season and K-State fans will be content.

I can tell 21-2 is just killing you.



Pulling fictional numbers out of a hat again?  If you can name the 21 wins, I will give you credit.  I still don't think you will ever be able to top 43-3.  It's probably the most lopsided "rivalry" in the country, honestly.  I mean... 43-3.  Are you kidding me?


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Re: Deb Patterson just lost a tourney game by 50 points, do you care?
« Reply #78 on: March 20, 2012, 12:34:17 AM »
  lesbian makes too much money


Whoa, hang on there.   No reason to start throwing around that kind of bigoted language.   How would you like it if I called you a ginger lover?  Doesn't feel very good, does it MIR?

Glass houses MIR!

Ms Deb used to sit in front of me at BSFS. I thought she had a beard the first time I saw her. It was just pubic hair, though.

Btw. Gingers are better in the sack. Fwiw. 

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Re: Deb Patterson just lost a tourney game by 50 points, do you care?
« Reply #79 on: March 20, 2012, 12:34:56 AM »
First of all I can't spin what happened tonight.  WCB is now where MCB was in the 60s and 70s.  The talent pool isn't deep the best programs get the best players and there simply aren't enough good players right now for there to be any real parity.  Again that's no defense for a terrible performance.

As for Deb, she took a program that was a national embarrassment.  Deb and I started at KSU at the same time.  The first time I heard about K-State Women's Basketball was the season before she took over.  The program made Sportscenter, and this was sportscenter in its heyday.  The program was on because a coach named Brian Agler put the program on probation, he was crap canned and Jack Hartman had to take over.  Agler cheated and still didn't win.  Deb made the tournament that first season, while on probation.  She has made the postseason 13 out of 16 seasons.  She has won 63% of her games and two conference championships.  She doesn't and shouldn't get paid based on what some randos think she should make, she like every other college athletics coach, gets based on her industry standard.  Using the industry standard she is giving K-State a hometown discount, she should be praised.

She has accomplished more and makes more money for the school than Brad Hill.  No one watches college baseball, why aren't we subjected to college baseball ridicule and calls for him to make $30,000?  Cliff Rovelto hasn't made 26 cents for KSU, should he volunteer?


I agree that both Brad Hill and Deb Patterson should make a salary that is in line with what they produce (which is jack crap).  They each coach sports that lose (collectively) millions of dollars. I do not give them "credit" for taking less at KSU, but that's mostly because I could give a crap whether their sports even existed.

I only care about the sports that make KSU money.   I dislike all the others, because they do not make KSU money (they do the opposite).

Also, I do not want to date Brad Hill.

Why would you care about other sports losing money when we likely wouldn't otherwise be spending it?  There is a reason we are one of the most profitable athletic departments out there.  And if we just said to hell with women's basketball by either cutting it or suddenly lowering the coaching salary to $30,000 or whatever, then we could probably just kiss the Big 12 goodbye at that point.  The public outcry from all over the country would be deafening.  No AQ conference is going to allow a member to just take a giant dump on women's basketball for no good reason and get away with it. 

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Re: Deb Patterson just lost a tourney game by 50 points, do you care?
« Reply #80 on: March 20, 2012, 12:38:19 AM »
26 points...  I think the soil judging team might be able to score 26 points.  Holy crap. 


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« Reply #81 on: March 20, 2012, 12:46:31 AM »
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Women's basketball is useless, the lesbian makes too much money

Ooooohhhhhh so edgy.  Some of you are more tuckish than you're willing to see.

Bonnie Hendrickson at KU currently makes $635,000 per year.  In 2009, she got paid $1.8 million, about $1.3 million of which was a bonus for making it through five years without getting fired for cause.  Poor performance is not considered cause.  She never made the NCAA tournament until this year as an 11 seed.  Here are her Big 12 coaching records:

2005:  5-11
2006:  5-11
2007:  4-12
2008:  4-12
2009:  6-10
2010:  5-11
2011:  6-10
2012:  8-10

Would you believe she got an extension, bonus, and pay raise in 2009?  We are living the high-life over here compared to those suffering through 8 years of Bonnie-Ball and genuinely overpaying for it.   



Bonnie has been plagued with injuries her entire time at KU, and has improved the program on a year-to-year basis since taking over.  The process has been slow, but KU was doing really well this year until our best player (Caroline Davis) went out with an ACL injury.  We play Delaware in the NCAA tournament tomorrow, so I'd say our season has been just as good as K-State's.  I doubt we'll set an NCAA record for lowest point total in an NCAA tournament game.

Deb's a good coach, no doubt.  All she has to do is beat KU and make the post season, and she'll have a lifetime contract.  That's pretty much the standard for every single head coach in K-State's athletic department.  Forget championships.  Just beat KU and don't miss the post season and K-State fans will be content.

I can tell 21-2 is just killing you.



Pulling fictional numbers out of a hat again?  If you can name the 21 wins, I will give you credit.  I still don't think you will ever be able to top 43-3.  It's probably the most lopsided "rivalry" in the country, honestly.  I mean... 43-3.  Are you kidding me?


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Fictional?  I don't just make numbers up.  Here is KSU's record vs KU in women's basketball since 2002:

2002:  2-0
2003:  2-0
2004:  2-0
2005:  2-0
2006:  3-0
2007:  1-1 (2OT)
2008:  2-0
2009:  2-0
2010:  1-1
2011:  2-0
2012:  2-0
Total:  21-2

You guys were damn lucky to pull out that 2OT game in 2007.  I was there and I was all like  :curse:
Also, consider yourself lucky you only had to play us once in the Big 12 tournament during that time.  Unlike on the men's side when we had to play KU 8 out of 9 years in the tournament from 1993 to 2001, most of which were years we had vastly inferior teams.

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Re: Deb Patterson just lost a tourney game by 50 points, do you care?
« Reply #82 on: March 20, 2012, 01:02:46 AM »
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Deb Patterson just lost a tourney game by 50 points, do you care?
« Reply #83 on: March 20, 2012, 01:09:21 AM »
First of all I can't spin what happened tonight.  WCB is now where MCB was in the 60s and 70s.  The talent pool isn't deep the best programs get the best players and there simply aren't enough good players right now for there to be any real parity.  Again that's no defense for a terrible performance.

As for Deb, she took a program that was a national embarrassment.  Deb and I started at KSU at the same time.  The first time I heard about K-State Women's Basketball was the season before she took over.  The program made Sportscenter, and this was sportscenter in its heyday.  The program was on because a coach named Brian Agler put the program on probation, he was crap canned and Jack Hartman had to take over.  Agler cheated and still didn't win.  Deb made the tournament that first season, while on probation.  She has made the postseason 13 out of 16 seasons.  She has won 63% of her games and two conference championships.  She doesn't and shouldn't get paid based on what some randos think she should make, she like every other college athletics coach, gets based on her industry standard.  Using the industry standard she is giving K-State a hometown discount, she should be praised.

She has accomplished more and makes more money for the school than Brad Hill.  No one watches college baseball, why aren't we subjected to college baseball ridicule and calls for him to make $30,000?  Cliff Rovelto hasn't made 26 cents for KSU, should he volunteer?


I agree that both Brad Hill and Deb Patterson should make a salary that is in line with what they produce (which is jack crap).  They each coach sports that lose (collectively) millions of dollars. I do not give them "credit" for taking less at KSU, but that's mostly because I could give a crap whether their sports even existed.

I only care about the sports that make KSU money.   I dislike all the others, because they do not make KSU money (they do the opposite).

Also, I do not want to date Brad Hill.

So you base your level of like based on revenues and expenses?  Weird.  So you like the job LHC Bill Snyder is doing much more so than that of Frank Martin?  The raw numbers and the percentages indicate that football does a lot more for the school than basketball.  If that's how you feel there isn't much I can say as a defense.  I'm constantly baffled why so many smart people are perfectly content with having such a ridiculously moronic viewpoint about this.  No contracted employee in this country gets paid based on the system you propose and you know it, but you don't care because women's basketball is boring.

You are correct, I do not care about any other sport besides mbb and football, and I do find the others to be boring.

However, I do not think it is a coincidence that the two that I enjoy are the only ones that are profitable.

That's not why I like them, but it does make me feel good to know that they are.

I disagree that other contract jobs aren't paid on the system I propose.  In fact,  that's exactly how I see the world working.  Like, rough ridin' exactly. I'm pretty darn liberal, so forgive me if I muck this conservative speech up, but if you do something that has economic value, then you get paid.  The only argument you have in support of women's coaching salaries  is that they produce some sort of non-economic value...but you'll  never convince me that it's even close to equaling the economic cost we incur to create that non-economic value.  Wecker and Ohlde, notwithstanding.


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Re: Deb Patterson just lost a tourney game by 50 points, do you care?
« Reply #84 on: March 20, 2012, 01:11:47 AM »


I can tell 21-2 is just killing you.



Pulling fictional numbers out of a hat again?  If you can name the 21 wins, I will give you credit.  I still don't think you will ever be able to top 43-3.  It's probably the most lopsided "rivalry" in the country, honestly.  I mean... 43-3.  Are you kidding me?


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Fictional?  I don't just make numbers up.  Here is KSU's record vs KU in women's basketball since 2002:

2002:  2-0
2003:  2-0
2004:  2-0
2005:  2-0
2006:  3-0
2007:  1-1 (2OT)
2008:  2-0
2009:  2-0
2010:  1-1
2011:  2-0
2012:  2-0
Total:  21-2

You guys were damn lucky to pull out that 2OT game in 2007.  I was there and I was all like  :curse:
Also, consider yourself lucky you only had to play us once in the Big 12 tournament during that time.  Unlike on the men's side when we had to play KU 8 out of 9 years in the tournament from 1993 to 2001, most of which were years we had vastly inferior teams.
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Oh, you were just talking women's basketball?  Thought we were talking all sports for the '12 season.  Congrats on the 21-2 record in women's hoops.


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Re: Deb Patterson just lost a tourney game by 50 points, do you care?
« Reply #85 on: March 20, 2012, 01:18:11 AM »



I can tell 21-2 is just killing you.




Pulling fictional numbers out of a hat again?  If you can name the 21 wins, I will give you credit.  I still don't think you will ever be able to top 43-3.  It's probably the most lopsided "rivalry" in the country, honestly.  I mean... 43-3.  Are you kidding me?


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Fictional?  I don't just make numbers up.  Here is KSU's record vs KU in women's basketball since 2002:

2002:  2-0
2003:  2-0
2004:  2-0
2005:  2-0
2006:  3-0
2007:  1-1 (2OT)
2008:  2-0
2009:  2-0
2010:  1-1
2011:  2-0
2012:  2-0
Total:  21-2

You guys were damn lucky to pull out that 2OT game in 2007.  I was there and I was all like  :curse:
Also, consider yourself lucky you only had to play us once in the Big 12 tournament during that time.  Unlike on the men's side when we had to play KU 8 out of 9 years in the tournament from 1993 to 2001, most of which were years we had vastly inferior teams.



Oh, you were just talking women's basketball?  Thought we were talking all sports for the '12 season.  Congrats on the 21-2 record in women's hoops.


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YEAH IN YOUR FACE BEEMS!

Prolly the most lopsided "rivalry" in history!  :ksu:

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Re: Deb Patterson just lost a tourney game by 50 points, do you care?
« Reply #86 on: March 20, 2012, 01:22:46 AM »
i always thought it was kinda weird that no one talked about the ohlde cattle when the ohlde player played for kstate.  i would have talked that crap non stop if it was me.
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« Reply #87 on: March 20, 2012, 06:24:13 AM »
well this thread went well.
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« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2012, 07:34:21 AM »
lol

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« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2012, 08:02:31 AM »
I was a pretty big Deb hater coming into this thread, but I leave with a newfound respect for her, due to MIR.


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« Reply #90 on: March 20, 2012, 08:08:46 AM »
i support all k-state teams, and like mir said, deb is a perfect fit to PAK at ksu mhk.

fwiw, agler has excelled in the wnba (coy 2010). 


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« Reply #91 on: March 20, 2012, 08:41:13 AM »
doesn't stand anymore, but i was genuinely proud of the fact when we had a black head football coach, latino head basketball coach, and lesbian head women's bball coach. but call me crazy.

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« Reply #92 on: March 20, 2012, 10:14:08 AM »
doesn't stand anymore, but i was genuinely proud of the fact when we had a black head football coach, latino head basketball coach, and lesbian head women's bball coach. but call me crazy.

One of those things isn't exactly unique.

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« Reply #93 on: March 20, 2012, 10:19:56 AM »
I remembered seeing that they were playing tonight.  I turned on the TV and the score was like 68-20 or something close.  I watched for about 25 seconds.  That was the entirety of the time I spent watching women's NCAA basketball in 2011-2012.


Amazingly, that is 25 more seconds of women's basketball than I watched in 2011-2012.

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« Reply #94 on: March 20, 2012, 10:19:56 AM »
well, yeah. but still.

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« Reply #95 on: March 20, 2012, 10:29:33 AM »
Its not my standard for all KSU sports teams as Beems said, but if our estroballers beat KU and make the NCAAs, I'm ok.  Its really not worth the 500k to me though

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« Reply #96 on: March 20, 2012, 10:31:39 AM »
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Women's basketball is useless, the lesbian makes too much money

Ooooohhhhhh so edgy.  Some of you are more tuckish than you're willing to see.

Bonnie Hendrickson at KU currently makes $635,000 per year.  In 2009, she got paid $1.8 million, about $1.3 million of which was a bonus for making it through five years without getting fired for cause.  Poor performance is not considered cause.  She never made the NCAA tournament until this year as an 11 seed.  Here are her Big 12 coaching records:

2005:  5-11
2006:  5-11
2007:  4-12
2008:  4-12
2009:  6-10
2010:  5-11
2011:  6-10
2012:  8-10

Would you believe she got an extension, bonus, and pay raise in 2009?  We are living the high-life over here compared to those suffering through 8 years of Bonnie-Ball and genuinely overpaying for it.   



Bonnie has been plagued with injuries her entire time at KU, and has improved the program on a year-to-year basis since taking over.  The process has been slow, but KU was doing really well this year until our best player (Caroline Davis) went out with an ACL injury.  We play Delaware in the NCAA tournament tomorrow, so I'd say our season has been just as good as K-State's.  I doubt we'll set an NCAA record for lowest point total in an NCAA tournament game.

Deb's a good coach, no doubt.  All she has to do is beat KU and make the post season, and she'll have a lifetime contract.  That's pretty much the standard for every single head coach in K-State's athletic department.  Forget championships.  Just beat KU and don't miss the post season and K-State fans will be content.

Dude, outside of men's basketball you just described the entire ku athletic department.  Beat KSU/MU, no one will show up, don't say too much stupid stuff, wash, rinse, repeat.

Gill got canned because he couldn't beat us.

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« Reply #97 on: March 20, 2012, 10:36:04 AM »
Pretty funny that after a 3 year winning streak, KU fires Mangino the first year he doesn't beat us. Even made up a bunch of "treating players poorly" rumors about it so they didnt have to admit the real reason they fired him.

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« Reply #98 on: March 20, 2012, 10:48:25 AM »
Pretty funny that after a 3 year winning streak, KU fires Mangino the first year he doesn't beat us. Even made up a bunch of "treating players poorly" rumors about it so they didnt have to admit the real reason they fired him.

Same thing with Gill.

Neither won a conference, both got canned when they lost to KSU.

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« Reply #99 on: March 20, 2012, 10:51:51 AM »
and what was the theme of Weis' first get-'em-going speech to the fans? you got it. ksu.