Coaching update

[MakeItRain]

Benjamin, I never said that KSU had a better program than Illinois.  Don't you have an amazing life, why spend so much time angry on message boards?  Also why are we going with 20 years?  It is the only time frame that fits your narrative.

[Pete]

Homer?  Did you miss me saying I think I'd have Illinois and KSU in the high teens to low to mid twenties?  So are you contending that a couple of good years makes a great program?  Did Butler come into the season a top 3 program?  Using your new rubric K-State right now is a waaaayyyy better program than Illinois, UCLA, Indiana, Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, and Florida.  Will take, thanks beems.

You should tap out here, this will go as well as your if you're not the best program in your state you suck talking point

You are an idiot.  Illinois' worst season in the last 20+ years is a 17-15 NIT season.  K-State went to like one NCAA tourney in 20 years before Huggins/Martin came along, and you guys still can't crack the top 4 in the Big 12.  Illinois is a much better program - any way you slice it.

We crack the top four all the time!!!!

[CHONGS]

keep rough ridin' that chicken dax

god forbid you make original post one day

You just haven't been the same since MIR's "cute" comment.

yes I have.  I have never changed since the beginning of time.

[OregonSmock]

Yeah, they fired a guy for going to a few NCAA tournaments and an NIT.  A guy who would have been the best coach K-State has had since Kruger.  Arguably all-time.

[Dr Rick Daris]

henson. lou henson. also, no. no self was not better in the couple of years he was there than henson was. gill, anderson, bardo? eff me. the guy averaged over twenty wins during a twenty year coaching period while at illinois. jesus christ and you can't even get his name right.

Dude it was auto corrected on my phone and I missed it, rough ridin' chill.  You don't think I know who Lou Henson is?  Get rough ridin' real man.  I have the program from his final four.  Speaking of which, after his final four he won 1 tournament game his last 7 years including missing the tournament altogether in that time frame.

how would i know what you know and what you don't? i'm not a mind reader and i certainly didn't program code on whatever auto corrected "henson" to "benson".

that aside, henson also averaged over twenty wins over twenty years at that school, meanwhile bill self inherited a lon kruger team full of future nbaers  and then promptly went to an elite 8, a sweet 16 and then the second round exit in the ncaa tournament. i would hardly call not making a final four and finishing worse every single year he was there "amazing". maybe your phone autocorrect "pretty good" to "amazing" though. 

Self would have won a title there within 5 years.

lol. what?

I feel like you're trying to be contentious.  We can all agree that Self is 5 times the coach oscar Weber is right?  In what would have been years 4 and 5 for Self at Illinois Weber won 3 Big 10 titles went to a sweet 16 and a championship game.  Is it that much of a stretch to argue that Self would have won 1 more game with a program he built?

Maybe I'm missing what you're getting at here, help me if so.

I think that you are trying to build up what self did at Illinois way, way more than you should be to try to make some point.

it's a pretty good program with coaches that had better seasons both before self was there and after he left yet. self was there for three years, did fine and moved on, yet you want me to believe that the job he did was amazing and that he would have won a national championship within five if he would've stayed. I don't think it was and I would bet a good chunk of money that he wouldn't have.

let me ask you this...yes or no, will bill self win a national title in the next two years at Ku?

Self would have won a national title in 2005.  Took him four years to win one at KU.  He'll have about 3 or 4 by the time he retires if he sticks around for another 20 years or so.

the team that self handed weber was no more talented than the team that kruger handed self, yet weber took his team to a title game and selfs bowed out in the elite eight. you hint at me being contentious, yet still tell me that self would have won in 05. lol. who is going to win this year and next year while you're at it.

also, nice duck of the bill self Ku next two years question. guess you think he won't. maybe you think it's easier to win at Illinois than Ku.

I think you intended to reply to me, don't push beems over the edge.  Like I said I think Self is a better coach than Weber.  We clearly differ on this, no big deal.  Also I didn't duck the KU question, you know full well that isn't a yes/no question and answer.  He's more pulley than 99.7% of all college coaches to do it.  That's all I have for you, friend.

I know full well that it isn't yes or no. just got confused when you guranteed the bill self Illinois championship.

agree on him being v good. what he did at Illinois just wasn't all that amazing imo. you pick a word other than amazing and I prob never even respond. I like Illinois a lot. def my fav team outside of ksu. always has been. I died a little when Anderson (I think it was Anderson) misses those free throws and they didn't make the finals in '89.

[CHONGS]

henson. lou henson. also, no. no self was not better in the couple of years he was there than henson was. gill, anderson, bardo? eff me. the guy averaged over twenty wins during a twenty year coaching period while at illinois. jesus christ and you can't even get his name right.

Dude it was auto corrected on my phone and I missed it, rough ridin' chill.  You don't think I know who Lou Henson is?  Get rough ridin' real man.  I have the program from his final four.  Speaking of which, after his final four he won 1 tournament game his last 7 years including missing the tournament altogether in that time frame.

how would i know what you know and what you don't? i'm not a mind reader and i certainly didn't program code on whatever auto corrected "henson" to "benson".

that aside, henson also averaged over twenty wins over twenty years at that school, meanwhile bill self inherited a lon kruger team full of future nbaers  and then promptly went to an elite 8, a sweet 16 and then the second round exit in the ncaa tournament. i would hardly call not making a final four and finishing worse every single year he was there "amazing". maybe your phone autocorrect "pretty good" to "amazing" though. 

Self would have won a title there within 5 years.

lol. what?

I feel like you're trying to be contentious.  We can all agree that Self is 5 times the coach oscar Weber is right?  In what would have been years 4 and 5 for Self at Illinois Weber won 3 Big 10 titles went to a sweet 16 and a championship game.  Is it that much of a stretch to argue that Self would have won 1 more game with a program he built?

Maybe I'm missing what you're getting at here, help me if so.

I think that you are trying to build up what self did at Illinois way, way more than you should be to try to make some point.

it's a pretty good program with coaches that had better seasons both before self was there and after he left yet. self was there for three years, did fine and moved on, yet you want me to believe that the job he did was amazing and that he would have won a national championship within five if he would've stayed. I don't think it was and I would bet a good chunk of money that he wouldn't have.

let me ask you this...yes or no, will bill self win a national title in the next two years at Ku?

Self would have won a national title in 2005.  Took him four years to win one at KU.  He'll have about 3 or 4 by the time he retires if he sticks around for another 20 years or so.

the team that self handed weber was no more talented than the team that kruger handed self, yet weber took his team to a title game and selfs bowed out in the elite eight. you hint at me being contentious, yet still tell me that self would have won in 05. lol. who is going to win this year and next year while you're at it.

also, nice duck of the bill self Ku next two years question. guess you think he won't. maybe you think it's easier to win at Illinois than Ku.

I think you intended to reply to me, don't push beems over the edge.  Like I said I think Self is a better coach than Weber.  We clearly differ on this, no big deal.  Also I didn't duck the KU question, you know full well that isn't a yes/no question and answer.  He's more pulley than 99.7% of all college coaches to do it.  That's all I have for you, friend.

I know full well that it isn't yes or no. just got confused when you guranteed the bill self Illinois championship.

agree on him being v good. what he did at Illinois just wasn't all that amazing imo. you pick a word other than amazing and I prob never even respond. I like Illinois a lot. def my fav team outside of ksu. always has been. I died a little when Anderson (I think it was Anderson) misses those free throws and they didn't make the finals in '89.

ah but do you have a program?

[MakeItRain]

keep rough ridin' that chicken dax

god forbid you make original post one day

You just haven't been the same since MIR's "cute" comment.

Yeah keep me out of this.  You boys have at it.  Chingon's & Daris' thoughts aren't cute IMO.  Ben's are yellow lab puppy adorable.

[OregonSmock]

I worded the top 4 thing wrong.  Point is that K-State hasn't been able to finish above the top 4 in the Big 12, yet the homers are acting like K-State is some big time program that out-classes Illinois.  Sorry, guys.  You are a top 30 program and maybe top 20 with the right coach.  Illinois has a higher ceiling, though.  I like Frank and hope he stays.

[MakeItRain]

Yeah, they fired a guy for going to a few NCAA tournaments and an NIT.  A guy who would have been the best coach K-State has had since Kruger.  Arguably all-time.

He missed the NIT in 08, they finished next to last in the Big 10.  It seems such an elite program would not have allowed a coach to win 2 tourney games in 6 years with a sub .500 season and a NIT bid mixed in.  I know a post Wefald KSU wouldn't tolerate this.

[CHONGS]

I worded the top 4 thing wrong.  Point is that K-State hasn't been able to finish above the top 4 in the Big 12, yet the homers are acting like K-State is some big time program that out-classes Illinois.  Sorry, guys.  You are a top 30 program and maybe top 20 with the right coach.  Illinois has a higher ceiling, though.  I like Frank and hope he stays.

you "worded" a lot of crap wrong

but hey good luck with that 130+ IQ

[sonofdaxjones]

I worded the top 4 thing wrong.  Point is that K-State hasn't been able to finish above the top 4 in the Big 12, yet the homers are acting like K-State is some big time program that out-classes Illinois.  Sorry, guys.  You are a top 30 program and maybe top 20 with the right coach.  Illinois has a higher ceiling, though.  I like Frank and hope he stays.

Not one person on here has said K-State outclasses Illinois, we just keep shooting all your idiotic points full of holes, which only causes you to melt down even more.

[_33]

BMW, why are you even mad about this? You are so weird.

[CHONGS]

BMW is a crazy person

seriously


he is not mentally well in the head

[MakeItRain]

henson. lou henson. also, no. no self was not better in the couple of years he was there than henson was. gill, anderson, bardo? eff me. the guy averaged over twenty wins during a twenty year coaching period while at illinois. jesus christ and you can't even get his name right.

Dude it was auto corrected on my phone and I missed it, rough ridin' chill.  You don't think I know who Lou Henson is?  Get rough ridin' real man.  I have the program from his final four.  Speaking of which, after his final four he won 1 tournament game his last 7 years including missing the tournament altogether in that time frame.

how would i know what you know and what you don't? i'm not a mind reader and i certainly didn't program code on whatever auto corrected "henson" to "benson".

that aside, henson also averaged over twenty wins over twenty years at that school, meanwhile bill self inherited a lon kruger team full of future nbaers  and then promptly went to an elite 8, a sweet 16 and then the second round exit in the ncaa tournament. i would hardly call not making a final four and finishing worse every single year he was there "amazing". maybe your phone autocorrect "pretty good" to "amazing" though. 

Self would have won a title there within 5 years.

lol. what?

I feel like you're trying to be contentious.  We can all agree that Self is 5 times the coach oscar Weber is right?  In what would have been years 4 and 5 for Self at Illinois Weber won 3 Big 10 titles went to a sweet 16 and a championship game.  Is it that much of a stretch to argue that Self would have won 1 more game with a program he built?

Maybe I'm missing what you're getting at here, help me if so.

I think that you are trying to build up what self did at Illinois way, way more than you should be to try to make some point.

it's a pretty good program with coaches that had better seasons both before self was there and after he left yet. self was there for three years, did fine and moved on, yet you want me to believe that the job he did was amazing and that he would have won a national championship within five if he would've stayed. I don't think it was and I would bet a good chunk of money that he wouldn't have.

let me ask you this...yes or no, will bill self win a national title in the next two years at Ku?

Self would have won a national title in 2005.  Took him four years to win one at KU.  He'll have about 3 or 4 by the time he retires if he sticks around for another 20 years or so.

the team that self handed weber was no more talented than the team that kruger handed self, yet weber took his team to a title game and selfs bowed out in the elite eight. you hint at me being contentious, yet still tell me that self would have won in 05. lol. who is going to win this year and next year while you're at it.

also, nice duck of the bill self Ku next two years question. guess you think he won't. maybe you think it's easier to win at Illinois than Ku.

I think you intended to reply to me, don't push beems over the edge.  Like I said I think Self is a better coach than Weber.  We clearly differ on this, no big deal.  Also I didn't duck the KU question, you know full well that isn't a yes/no question and answer.  He's more pulley than 99.7% of all college coaches to do it.  That's all I have for you, friend.

I know full well that it isn't yes or no. just got confused when you guranteed the bill self Illinois championship.

agree on him being v good. what he did at Illinois just wasn't all that amazing imo. you pick a word other than amazing and I prob never even respond. I like Illinois a lot. def my fav team outside of ksu. always has been. I died a little when Anderson (I think it was Anderson) misses those free throws and they didn't make the finals in '89.

Sorry but I can't back off of amazing.  In three years, his first 3 as a high major coach, he won 3 conference championships and 6 tournament games, its an incredible accomplishment.  He won more conference titles than Kruger and Henson did combined, although the conference was tougher in Henson's day.  I Wilk give Kruger credit for building that team for Self, it would be inconsistent to give Self credit for Weber's final four without doing the same for Lon, so I won't.

[sonofdaxjones]

keep rough ridin' that chicken dax

god forbid you make original post one day

You just haven't been the same since MIR's "cute" comment.

yes I have.  I have never changed since the beginning of time.

Yeah, you pretty much did.  Got all angered up. 

But as they say, you keep rough ridin' that chicken Chin.

[CHONGS]

keep rough ridin' that chicken dax

god forbid you make original post one day

You just haven't been the same since MIR's "cute" comment.

yes I have.  I have never changed since the beginning of time.

Yeah, you pretty much did.  Got all angered up. 

But as they say, you keep rough ridin' that chicken Chin.

I said it first copy cat

[pissclams]

this thread is one very large food fight

[sonofdaxjones]

keep rough ridin' that chicken dax

god forbid you make original post one day

You just haven't been the same since MIR's "cute" comment.

yes I have.  I have never changed since the beginning of time.

Yeah, you pretty much did.  Got all angered up. 

But as they say, you keep rough ridin' that chicken Chin.

I said it first copy cat

Hence the "but as they say".  Don't be a dumbass Chin, I know you're a little smarter than what you show on here.

[CHONGS]

keep rough ridin' that chicken dax

god forbid you make original post one day

You just haven't been the same since MIR's "cute" comment.

yes I have.  I have never changed since the beginning of time.

Yeah, you pretty much did.  Got all angered up. 

But as they say, you keep rough ridin' that chicken Chin.

I said it first copy cat

Hence the "but as they say".  Don't be a dumbass Chin, I know you're a little smarter than what you show on here.

wow an early tap out from dax.

maybe next time grandpa

[sonofdaxjones]

keep rough ridin' that chicken dax

god forbid you make original post one day

You just haven't been the same since MIR's "cute" comment.

yes I have.  I have never changed since the beginning of time.

Yeah, you pretty much did.  Got all angered up. 

But as they say, you keep rough ridin' that chicken Chin.

I said it first copy cat

Hence the "but as they say".  Don't be a dumbass Chin, I know you're a little smarter than what you show on here.

wow an early tap out from dax.

maybe next time grandpa

Oh Chin . . .   

Wow, SMH.

[CHONGS]

keep rough ridin' that chicken dax

god forbid you make original post one day

You just haven't been the same since MIR's "cute" comment.

yes I have.  I have never changed since the beginning of time.

Yeah, you pretty much did.  Got all angered up. 

But as they say, you keep rough ridin' that chicken Chin.

I said it first copy cat

Hence the "but as they say".  Don't be a dumbass Chin, I know you're a little smarter than what you show on here.

wow an early tap out from dax.

maybe next time grandpa

Oh Chin . . .   

Wow, SMH.

great tapout from an a elder statesman

god bless you dax and all of your grandchildren

[CHONGS]

pro tip:

its way past your time to take your flomax dax.

[sonofdaxjones]

Keeping grinding that axe Chin . . . nobody calls a Chin post "Cute" . . . nobody.

[Panjandrum]

What in God's name happened here tonight?

[Dr Rick Daris]

somebody else is posting under chins account and making it to one elite eight during a three year tenure at a school is "amazing".