Coaching update

[OregonSmock]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

Jesus Christ.  It's NEVER been a top 10 program.  Also Duke is living proof of any program being able to be a top 10 program with the right coach.  Small private school in the shadow of a monster with strict admissions and a tiny gym.

It was a top 10 program under Bill Self and the first few years under Weber.  They went like 37-2 and almost won a national title in 2005.  K-State has never even had a 30-win season.  I can't believe how much of a blind homer you are. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

henson. lou henson. also, no. no self was not better in the couple of years he was there than henson was. gill, anderson, bardo? eff me. the guy averaged over twenty wins during a twenty year coaching period while at illinois. jesus christ and you can't even get his name right.

Dude it was auto corrected on my phone and I missed it, rough ridin' chill.  You don't think I know who Lou Henson is?  Get rough ridin' real man.  I have the program from his final four.  Speaking of which, after his final four he won 1 tournament game his last 7 years including missing the tournament altogether in that time frame.

how would i know what you know and what you don't? i'm not a mind reader and i certainly didn't program code on whatever auto corrected "henson" to "benson".

that aside, henson also averaged over twenty wins over twenty years at that school, meanwhile bill self inherited a lon kruger team full of future nbaers  and then promptly went to an elite 8, a sweet 16 and then the second round exit in the ncaa tournament. i would hardly call not making a final four and finishing worse every single year he was there "amazing". maybe your phone autocorrect "pretty good" to "amazing" though. 

Self would have won a title there within 5 years.

lol. what?

[CHONGS]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

Jesus Christ.  It's NEVER been a top 10 program.  Also Duke is living proof of any program being able to be a top 10 program with the right coach.  Small private school in the shadow of a monster with strict admissions and a tiny gym.

It was a top 10 program under Bill Self and the first few years under Weber.  They went like 37-2 and almost won a national title in 2005.  K-State has never even had a 30-win season.  I can't believe how much of a blind homer you are. 

your'e a rough ridin' homer and you know it.  How in the eff can you blame someone else of that?

[ChiComCat]

That they had a 37-2 record 7 years ago doesn't mean crap for any legitimate coach looking at the job

[MakeItRain]

Homer?  Did you miss me saying I think I'd have Illinois and KSU in the high teens to low to mid twenties?  So are you contending that a couple of good years makes a great program?  Did Butler come into the season a top 3 program?  Using your new rubric K-State right now is a waaaayyyy better program than Illinois, UCLA, Indiana, Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, and Florida.  Will take, thanks beems.

You should tap out here, this will go as well as your if you're not the best program in your state you suck talking point

[OregonSmock]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

pfffffftttttt

Duke
UNC
Kentucky
Ohio St
Louisville
UCONN
Syracuse
Mich St
Pitt
Georgetown
Indiana

etc.

Didn't even have to list a Big XII school to get to 10

That's a completely bullsh*t list.  Duke is one coach.  UConn is one coach.  Indiana has been terrible up until this season.  Georgetown struggled after Thompson left.  Pitt?  Are you f*cking kidding me?  Ohio State was a complete crap program until Thad Matta took over.  Louisville was mediocre until Pitino came along.  Like I said, with the right coach, Illinois is a top 10 program.  They are a basketball school that has the resources and the recruiting ability to be every bit as good as a program like Ohio State or Michigan State.  It's all about getting the right coach. 

[MakeItRain]

henson. lou henson. also, no. no self was not better in the couple of years he was there than henson was. gill, anderson, bardo? eff me. the guy averaged over twenty wins during a twenty year coaching period while at illinois. jesus christ and you can't even get his name right.

Dude it was auto corrected on my phone and I missed it, rough ridin' chill.  You don't think I know who Lou Henson is?  Get rough ridin' real man.  I have the program from his final four.  Speaking of which, after his final four he won 1 tournament game his last 7 years including missing the tournament altogether in that time frame.

how would i know what you know and what you don't? i'm not a mind reader and i certainly didn't program code on whatever auto corrected "henson" to "benson".

that aside, henson also averaged over twenty wins over twenty years at that school, meanwhile bill self inherited a lon kruger team full of future nbaers  and then promptly went to an elite 8, a sweet 16 and then the second round exit in the ncaa tournament. i would hardly call not making a final four and finishing worse every single year he was there "amazing". maybe your phone autocorrect "pretty good" to "amazing" though. 

Self would have won a title there within 5 years.

lol. what?

I feel like you're trying to be contentious.  We can all agree that Self is 5 times the coach oscar Weber is right?  In what would have been years 4 and 5 for Self at Illinois Weber won 3 Big 10 titles went to a sweet 16 and a championship game.  Is it that much of a stretch to argue that Self would have won 1 more game with a program he built?

Maybe I'm missing what you're getting at here, help me if so.

[sonofdaxjones]

Beems seems pretty fired up about all of this.

[Cartierfor3]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

pfffffftttttt

Duke
UNC
Kentucky
Ohio St
Louisville
UCONN
Syracuse
Mich St
Pitt
Georgetown
Indiana

etc.

Didn't even have to list a Big XII school to get to 10

That's a completely bullsh*t list.  Duke is one coach.  UConn is one coach.  Indiana has been terrible up until this season.  Georgetown struggled after Thompson left.  Pitt?  Are you f*cking kidding me?  Ohio State was a complete crap program until Thad Matta took over.  Louisville was mediocre until Pitino came along.  Like I said, with the right coach, Illinois is a top 10 program.  They are a basketball school that has the resources and the recruiting ability to be every bit as good as a program like Ohio State or Michigan State.  It's all about getting the right coach.

Yeah you're right.  Illinois is better than Duke.  My bad Beems.   

[ChiComCat]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

pfffffftttttt

Duke
UNC
Kentucky
Ohio St
Louisville
UCONN
Syracuse
Mich St
Pitt
Georgetown
Indiana

etc.

Didn't even have to list a Big XII school to get to 10

That's a completely bullsh*t list.  Duke is one coach.  UConn is one coach.  Indiana has been terrible up until this season.  Georgetown struggled after Thompson left.  Pitt?  Are you f*cking kidding me?  Ohio State was a complete crap program until Thad Matta took over.  Louisville was mediocre until Pitino came along.  Like I said, with the right coach, Illinois is a top 10 program.  They are a basketball school that has the resources and the recruiting ability to be every bit as good as a program like Ohio State or Michigan State.  It's all about getting the right coach. 

Who gives a crap if one coach built them.  If all these jobs opened tomorrow, Illinois would pick their coach after each of them

[pissclams]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

pfffffftttttt

Duke
UNC
Kentucky
Ohio St
Louisville
UCONN
Syracuse
Mich St
Pitt
Georgetown
Indiana

etc.

Didn't even have to list a Big XII school to get to 10

That's a completely bullsh*t list.  Duke is one coach.  UConn is one coach.  Indiana has been terrible up until this season.  Georgetown struggled after Thompson left.  Pitt?  Are you f*cking kidding me?  Ohio State was a complete crap program until Thad Matta took over.  Louisville was mediocre until Pitino came along.  Like I said, with the right coach, Illinois is a top 10 program.  They are a basketball school that has the resources and the recruiting ability to be every bit as good as a program like Ohio State or Michigan State.  It's all about getting the right coach. 

Duke won their 1000th game in the early 70's.  their history and tradition goes far beyond Coach K. 

[MakeItRain]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

pfffffftttttt

Duke
UNC
Kentucky
Ohio St
Louisville
UCONN
Syracuse
Mich St
Pitt
Georgetown
Indiana

etc.

Didn't even have to list a Big XII school to get to 10

That's a completely bullsh*t list.  Duke is one coach.  UConn is one coach.  Indiana has been terrible up until this season.  Georgetown struggled after Thompson left.  Pitt?  Are you f*cking kidding me?  Ohio State was a complete crap program until Thad Matta took over.  Louisville was mediocre until Pitino came along.  Like I said, with the right coach, Illinois is a top 10 program.  They are a basketball school that has the resources and the recruiting ability to be every bit as good as a program like Ohio State or Michigan State.  It's all about getting the right coach.

I know you don't care but in your last two posts you completely contradicted yourself.  Didn't you claim Illinois was a top 10 program under Self?  That's "one coach" right?  Self can get credit for being a top 10 program at Illinois for 3 years but Coach K can't for 32 years?  Makes sense beems.

[OregonSmock]

Illinois is one of those "should be a great job" places . . . they've had a pretty fair share of success, but they've only been to 2 Final Fours in the last 60 years.  As an athletic program they're slightly more successful than mu, yet, like mu they are the only major public D1 school in a higher population state.

Gotta be pretty frustrating if you're an Illini fan.

I agree with this but I think the opportunity a program can take advantage of the things you pointed out is far less these days.  The world is getting smaller.  More programs have money and access to easy travel and as pointed out, recruiting is no longer regional.

Recruiting is still very regional.  The only reason some schools go outside of their region for prospects is because their region doesn't produce much elite level talent.  K-State comes 2nd to KU when it comes to Wichita/KC prospects, so you guys have to recruit places like Florida and New York. 

[CHONGS]

Illinois is one of those "should be a great job" places . . . they've had a pretty fair share of success, but they've only been to 2 Final Fours in the last 60 years.  As an athletic program they're slightly more successful than mu, yet, like mu they are the only major public D1 school in a higher population state.

Gotta be pretty frustrating if you're an Illini fan.

I agree with this but I think the opportunity a program can take advantage of the things you pointed out is far less these days.  The world is getting smaller.  More programs have money and access to easy travel and as pointed out, recruiting is no longer regional.

Recruiting is still very regional.  The only reason some schools go outside of their region for prospects is because their region doesn't produce much elite level talent.  K-State comes 2nd to KU when it comes to Wichita/KC prospects, so you guys have to recruit places like Florida and New York. 

you're full of crap and you know it

full of crap

[sonofdaxjones]

Duke had only been to 4 Final Four's prior to Coach K.  They really sucked badly as an overall basketball program prior to Coach K.

[MakeItRain]

Illinois is one of those "should be a great job" places . . . they've had a pretty fair share of success, but they've only been to 2 Final Fours in the last 60 years.  As an athletic program they're slightly more successful than mu, yet, like mu they are the only major public D1 school in a higher population state.

Gotta be pretty frustrating if you're an Illini fan.

I agree with this but I think the opportunity a program can take advantage of the things you pointed out is far less these days.  The world is getting smaller.  More programs have money and access to easy travel and as pointed out, recruiting is no longer regional.

Recruiting is still very regional.  The only reason some schools go outside of their region for prospects is because their region doesn't produce much elite level talent.  K-State comes 2nd to KU when it comes to Wichita/KC prospects, so you guys have to recruit places like Florida and New York.

pfft no it isn't, look at the current top 10, I'd be willing to bet that equal to or less than 10% of the total number of regular contributors on those teams are local talent.

[OregonSmock]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

Jesus Christ.  It's NEVER been a top 10 program.  Also Duke is living proof of any program being able to be a top 10 program with the right coach.  Small private school in the shadow of a monster with strict admissions and a tiny gym.

It was a top 10 program under Bill Self and the first few years under Weber.  They went like 37-2 and almost won a national title in 2005.  K-State has never even had a 30-win season.  I can't believe how much of a blind homer you are. 

your'e a rough ridin' homer and you know it.  How in the eff can you blame someone else of that?

KU has eight straight Big 12 titles, 3 Final Fours, a national title, and a BCS Bowl in the past 10 years.  How the hell does that make me a homer? 

[CHONGS]

Duke had only been to 4 Final Four's prior to Coach K.  They really sucked badly as an overall basketball program prior to Coach K.

don't be an idiot in reaction to beems dax.

[ChiComCat]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

Jesus Christ.  It's NEVER been a top 10 program.  Also Duke is living proof of any program being able to be a top 10 program with the right coach.  Small private school in the shadow of a monster with strict admissions and a tiny gym.

It was a top 10 program under Bill Self and the first few years under Weber.  They went like 37-2 and almost won a national title in 2005.  K-State has never even had a 30-win season.  I can't believe how much of a blind homer you are. 

your'e a rough ridin' homer and you know it.  How in the eff can you blame someone else of that?

KU has eight straight Big 12 titles, 3 Final Fours, a national title, and a BCS Bowl in the past 10 years.  How the hell does that make me a homer? 

You defend KU football

[MakeItRain]

I find it adorable that beems keeps changing talking points because each previous one gets destroyed.  One will eventually stick for ya little fella, keep at it!

[CHONGS]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

Jesus Christ.  It's NEVER been a top 10 program.  Also Duke is living proof of any program being able to be a top 10 program with the right coach.  Small private school in the shadow of a monster with strict admissions and a tiny gym.

It was a top 10 program under Bill Self and the first few years under Weber.  They went like 37-2 and almost won a national title in 2005.  K-State has never even had a 30-win season.  I can't believe how much of a blind homer you are. 

your'e a rough ridin' homer and you know it.  How in the eff can you blame someone else of that?

KU has eight straight Big 12 titles, 3 Final Fours, a national title, and a BCS Bowl in the past 10 years.  How the hell does that make me a homer? 

jesus rough ridin' christ beems you know you're a homer to ku in all sports. 

I don;\'t give a crap about whatever stats you spout, you are still a homer

[sonofdaxjones]

Duke had only been to 4 Final Four's prior to Coach K.  They really sucked badly as an overall basketball program prior to Coach K.

don't be an idiot in reaction to beems dax.

How cute.

[CHONGS]

Duke had only been to 4 Final Four's prior to Coach K.  They really sucked badly as an overall basketball program prior to Coach K.

don't be an idiot in reaction to beems dax.

How cute.

you try too hard

just enjoy life for once with out reaction to someone or something else

[sonofdaxjones]

Duke had only been to 4 Final Four's prior to Coach K.  They really sucked badly as an overall basketball program prior to Coach K.

don't be an idiot in reaction to beems dax.

How cute.

you try too hard

just enjoy life for once with out reaction to someone or something else

No Chin, for once quit worrying your cute little self about what I say on here.  Try it cutey pie.

[OregonSmock]

Homer?  Did you miss me saying I think I'd have Illinois and KSU in the high teens to low to mid twenties?  So are you contending that a couple of good years makes a great program?  Did Butler come into the season a top 3 program?  Using your new rubric K-State right now is a waaaayyyy better program than Illinois, UCLA, Indiana, Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, and Florida.  Will take, thanks beems.

You should tap out here, this will go as well as your if you're not the best program in your state you suck talking point

You are an idiot.  Illinois' worst season in the last 20+ years is a 17-15 NIT season.  K-State went to like one NCAA tourney in 20 years before Huggins/Martin came along, and you guys still can't crack the top 4 in the Big 12.  Illinois is a much better program - any way you slice it.