Coaching update

[Pete]

Does anyone think that Illinois will pay more than 1.5 per year for their next coach?  They don't now.

[CHONGS]

Does anyone think that Illinois will pay more than 1.5 per year for their next coach?  They don't now.

I do, but I also don't think ksu is a shitty job and I don't think Frank is going to Illinois.

[Pete]

Does anyone think that Illinois will pay more than 1.5 per year for their next coach?  They don't now.

I do, but I also don't think ksu is a shitty job and I don't think Frank is going to Illinois.

I agree with you on all points, actually.  Now, Illinois has scored their last two coaches in a row by offering a mid-major coach more money than his mid-major would pay him....will they be able/willing to do that for a Major conference coach?

[Trim]

Does Illinois even have a Fake Patty's Day?

[CHONGS]

Does anyone think that Illinois will pay more than 1.5 per year for their next coach?  They don't now.

I do, but I also don't think ksu is a shitty job and I don't think Frank is going to Illinois.

I agree with you on all points, actually.  Now, Illinois has scored their last two coaches in a row by offering a mid-major coach more money than his mid-major would pay him....will they be able/willing to do that for a Major conference coach?

no, they will get a mid major again I think. probably shaka smart

for a major conf coach it would be grant ihmo.

[CHONGS]

Does Illinois even have a Fake Patty's Day?

yes they do, it was last week in fact.

[Trim]

Does Illinois even have a Fake Patty's Day?

yes they do, it was last week in fact.

[Pete]

Two years ago, Grant was making almost 2 per year ( http://blog.al.com/solomon/2009/04/anthony_grants_salary_among_hi.html )

[Pete]

Turg is making 2.5 at Maryland.  Seems like that would be a good comparison school for Illinois.

[ChiComCat]

Does anyone think that Illinois will pay more than 1.5 per year for their next coach?  They don't now.

I do, but I also don't think ksu is a shitty job and I don't think Frank is going to Illinois.

Agreed.  And agreed that it will be Shaka Smart.

[MakeItRain]

Weber failing isn't some sort of sign that Illinois isn't a good job.  It's a sign that Weber isn't that good.

I think you're the only one who made this argument.  Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you say that when assessing the quality of programs you should go back 20 years?  If so I'm pretty sure you then can't discount the mark that the longest tenured coach in that time frame left.

certainly not.  i would look at why someone wasn't successful in a place where people were successful over a period of time.  KSU has gone through 3 unsuccessful coaches (Dana, Ass, Neckbrace) in the past 20 years, Illinois 1 (Weber - who was "better" than the 3 unsuccessful coaches at KSU, atleast IMO).  Over that time, Illinois has won 5 conference championships (but only one w/ Weber) and 2 conf tourney championships (again, only 1 w/ Weber), KSU has won 0 of each over that time.  Then when you factor in the available talent at a closer proximity, I would argue that Illinois is a better job.  How much? eff, I don't know.  But better.

All valid points.  I could say that Illinois is a textbook example of a coach being much more important than the program.  Lou Benson and Lon were good but Lon was better at KSU.  Self was amazing in three years he was much better in three years than Benson, Kruger, and Weber in totality.  Look at Illinois would have been if they hired anyone but Bill Self.  His 3 years were amazing and Weber clearly piggybacked that since he didn't do crap after his first two years.

[Pete]

If I were Frank, I'd leave KSU to go to Illinois if they offered 2.5

[OregonSmock]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

[MakeItRain]

Turg is making 2.5 at Maryland.  Seems like that would be a good comparison school for Illinois.

Illinois doesn't have a Kevin Plank bank rolling coaches.  There's no way the next guy is getting a million more than Weber.  Also they just hired a football coach too, he came from Toledo.  I guess being elite because of access to Chicago doesn't equate to football either.

[FP TC etc.]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

[OregonSmock]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job. 

[Cartierfor3]

We really should be worrying about places like UCLA and Uconn opening up more than worrying about Illinois

[CHONGS]

Illinois might not have had much more success than K-State in basketball lately, but that's not my argument as to why the Illinois job is perceived as a better one

[MakeItRain]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

Jesus Christ.  It's NEVER been a top 10 program.  Also Duke is living proof of any program being able to be a top 10 program with the right coach.  Small private school in the shadow of a monster with strict admissions and a tiny gym.

[Skipper44]

Turg is making 2.5 at Maryland.  Seems like that would be a good comparison school for Illinois.

great comparo, two Big State Us in states with one of the top 5 basketball talent pools and yet they are 2nd tier in their respective conferences.

I have a hard time putting Illinois in the top 10 nation wide when they are the 3rd or 4th best in their conference over the last few years.

[MakeItRain]

We really should be worrying about places like UCLA and Uconn opening up more than worrying about Illinois

Yep.  I've been afraid of UCONN for years, although their pending NCAA sanctions are going to be a big issue.  They will/should go after Brad Stevens or someone of his ilk.

[Dr Rick Daris]

henson. lou henson. also, no. no self was not better in the couple of years he was there than henson was. gill, anderson, bardo? eff me. the guy averaged over twenty wins during a twenty year coaching period while at illinois. jesus christ and you can't even get his name right.

[Cartierfor3]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

pfffffftttttt

Duke
UNC
Kentucky
Ohio St
Louisville
UCONN
Syracuse
Mich St
Pitt
Georgetown
Indiana

etc.

Didn't even have to list a Big XII school to get to 10

[FP TC etc.]

K-State's total athletic department made more than $11 million dollars more than Illinois' athletic department made in FY 2011 . . . Pepperjax, "That's not relevant".

LOL

We're talking about college basketball programs, 'Pad.  Who cares what Illinois generates in football?  They have more alumni and more fan support than K-State.  It's a better job.  I seriously can't believe so many of you clowns would argue otherwise.

At this point, if it's better, it's not much better.

With the right coach, it's a top 10 job.

Um, that doesn't really make a lot of sense...

[EMAWzified]

Would be much more worried about a Clemson, Georgia Tech or South Carolina a maybe Alabama if Grant makes a move to Illinois. 
Sounds like its Smart's job if he wants it with his ties with the IU AD.