Swolecats, Fitcats, Thincats, Cardiocats, even Yogacats

[Emo EMAW]

started a weight loss program this week.  normally its like ~$30 a month but we get it through work for free.  the whole program is based on when and how you eat and not what you eat.  idk why i didnt found this thing, all the concepts are so easy it makes sense.  its also backed by more than just counting carbs and actual science so i'm actually going to see it through.

"when" you eat has jack crap to do with anything.  if you're trying to lose weight, it's always gonna be calories in calories out.  everything else is noise.

and lol at your dismissal of keto (i.e. "counting carbs") as not backed by science.

Cal in / cal out has been debunked. 

[Stupid Fitz]

Hey dumbasses. The only thing that matters as far as weight loss is calories. Stop being dumbasses and excercise a bit and eat less calories than your daily maintenance number. I don't give a eff if you eat Taco Bell for every meal. As long as it is less calories than your maintenance number you will lose weight. Quit being dumb fatasses.

[DQ12]

started a weight loss program this week.  normally its like ~$30 a month but we get it through work for free.  the whole program is based on when and how you eat and not what you eat.  idk why i didnt found this thing, all the concepts are so easy it makes sense.  its also backed by more than just counting carbs and actual science so i'm actually going to see it through.

"when" you eat has jack crap to do with anything.  if you're trying to lose weight, it's always gonna be calories in calories out.  everything else is noise.

and lol at your dismissal of keto (i.e. "counting carbs") as not backed by science.

Cal in / cal out has been debunked.

link?

[Emo EMAW]

There are tons, research for yourself.  Like, I'm not disagreeing with the first law of thermodynamics.  Just that it's possible to burn more or less calories with the same routine based on what and when you eat.  Also, its possible not all calories consumed are made available to the body, some are crap out. 

Just look at the ridiculousness of the "calorie."  Derived by burning food with fire.  Like our stomachs are wood stoves or something. 

[DQ12]

There are tons, research for yourself.  Like, I'm not disagreeing with the first law of thermodynamics.  Just that it's possible to burn more or less calories with the same routine based on what and when you eat.  Also, its possible not all calories consumed are made available to the body, some are crap out. 

Just look at the ridiculousness of the "calorie."  Derived by burning food with fire.  Like our stomachs are wood stoves or something.

"when" you eat has nothing to do with crap. 

[Stupid Fitz]

 

There are tons, research for yourself.  Like, I'm not disagreeing with the first law of thermodynamics.  Just that it's possible to burn more or less calories with the same routine based on what and when you eat.  Also, its possible not all calories consumed are made available to the body, some are crap out. 

Just look at the ridiculousness of the "calorie."  Derived by burning food with fire.  Like our stomachs are wood stoves or something.

"when" you eat has nothing to do with crap.

I love how all these fatsos go, I can't eat 9 pizzas or I'll be even more of a fatass, but they don't believe that the opposite is true.

[Emo EMAW]

There are tons, research for yourself.  Like, I'm not disagreeing with the first law of thermodynamics.  Just that it's possible to burn more or less calories with the same routine based on what and when you eat.  Also, its possible not all calories consumed are made available to the body, some are crap out. 

Just look at the ridiculousness of the "calorie."  Derived by burning food with fire.  Like our stomachs are wood stoves or something.

"when" you eat has nothing to do with crap.

Yes it does. 

[Stupid Fitz]

There are tons, research for yourself.  Like, I'm not disagreeing with the first law of thermodynamics.  Just that it's possible to burn more or less calories with the same routine based on what and when you eat.  Also, its possible not all calories consumed are made available to the body, some are crap out. 

Just look at the ridiculousness of the "calorie."  Derived by burning food with fire.  Like our stomachs are wood stoves or something.

"when" you eat has nothing to do with crap.

Yes it does.

True. If you eat everything between 3:26pm and 4:12pm it doesn't count. Can't believe people don't know that.

[The Big Train]

I guess when you have done every diet known to man you think you become an expert.

[DQ12]

who is claiming to have done every diet known to man?  i've done two diets: strictly CICO, and keto. it doesn't take a genius to figure out why either of these work.

i prefer keto, but i recognize that the reason you lose weight on keto isn't because you're eating high fat foods -- it's because you're taking in less calories.  it's just a modified version of CICO and (like any other diet) it doesn't work to lose weight if you eat above maintenance. 

regarding this rubbish about eating at certain times or frequencies:

http://www.foodinsight.org/what-really-impacts-metabolism-myths
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/patientinstructions/000893.htm

If you can link to anything contradicting those articles, by all means, share.  If I'm wrong I'd like to know.

Like I said earlier, if what you're doing works for you, power to you.  If eating 8 meals a day causes you to take in fewer calories, then by God, do it.  If eating with a small fork helps, great.  But at the end of the day, what works is taking in relatively fewer calories than you expend. 

I'd love to hear about whatever magical secret you guys are being so smug about though.

[The Big Train]

who is claiming to have done every diet known to man?  i've done two diets: strictly CICO, and keto. it doesn't take a genius to figure out why either of these work.

i prefer keto, but i recognize that the reason you lose weight on keto isn't because you're eating high fat foods -- it's because you're taking in less calories.  it's just a modified version of CICO and (like any other diet) it doesn't work to lose weight if you eat above maintenance. 

regarding this rubbish about eating at certain times or frequencies:

http://www.foodinsight.org/what-really-impacts-metabolism-myths
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/patientinstructions/000893.htm

If you can link to anything contradicting those articles, by all means, share.  If I'm wrong I'd like to know.

Like I said earlier, if what you're doing works for you, power to you.  If eating 8 meals a day causes you to take in fewer calories, then by God, do it.  If eating with a small fork helps, great.  But at the end of the day, what works is taking in relatively fewer calories than you expend. 

I'd love to hear about whatever magical secret you guys are being so smug about though.

I already said I agree eating less calories helps you lose weight. We agree on that point.  Nothing in those articles is something this program preaches. 

It actually wants you to skip breakfast if you aren't hungry.  I don't eat a bunch of meals a day, and I don't have to eat certain foods at certain times.  You didn't get overweight overnight and you aren't going to get slim overnight either.  It's a gradually process and that's like the first thing they say.

It's more just a lifestyle change than anything and helpful tips.  I can eat whatever I want, just doing it a smarter way.

The how to eat is actually enjoying your food and taking your time to eat.  Cutting a sandwich into 4ths so it takes longer to eat, since it takes ~20 min or so before your brain realizes how much you have eaten.  Plus lots of other things to think about.

The when to eat is eating when you are actually hungry.  Don't eat breakfast just to eat breakfast.  Don't eat just because it's a certain time on the clock.  Knowing when you are truly hungry and not just bored. 

I have never done diets before because once you are done with them if you don't make a lifestyle change it's all for nothing.  Then you just gain the weight again before the next diet.  Why would I want to count calories for the rest of my life? 

I wasn't trying to be smug but after you came in all assuming you knew what I was doing I couldn't help myself.

[CopperBowl]

Mindfulness


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[Emo EMAW]

If cal in = cal out, just start drinking gasoline.  One gallon ought to last about two weeks.

[puniraptor]

make sure to gut 80g of whey right before bed so your muscles don't waste away while youre sleeping

[catastrophe]

If cal in = cal out, just start drinking gasoline.  One gallon ought to last about two weeks.

I mean, it would work to lose weight if that is what you mean...

I think it is fair to say that the ONLY clinically proven method for weight loss is consuming fewer calories than your body uses.  The "when you eat" thing is clearly just a way to get you to eat fewer calories without having to count anything, which is fine. 

From what I understand, Keto (and most other diets) is similar because of how much it restricts what you eat, although I guess the difference is when you eat at a calorie deficit on Keto then your body starts consuming your fat stores more quickly than if your body was accustomed to burning carbs for energy.

[wetwillie]

How does keto restrict your calorie consumption?

[catastrophe]

It's not that the diet itself restricts your calories, but that it is easy to end up eating fewer calories because you are careful/thoughtful about what you are eating.  My point was that a lot of diets end up working this way.

[DQ12]

i apologize for assuming, TBT.  from the "when and how" you eat, it sounded like some metabolic BS, when it's clearly just modifying habits to be CICO.  forgive me, i get weirdly passionate about this stuff.  i have no clue why.

re. keto: it doesn't inherently restrict calorie consumption -- you can certainly gain weight and be in ketosis if you're eating over maintenance.  the idea is that higher fat foods (read: meat) fill you up more than bread does -- and at fewer calories.  but with keto (and any diet, really) it just causes you to be mindful of what you eat (like Copperbowl said).  the cool added benefit of keto is that you're burning straight fat by just existing, as you have no glycogen left to burn.

[ednksu]

I'd like to chime in and say calories in/out is a nice rule, but it should be looked at individually and allowances given for specific circumstances.  The more we learn about our body's systems the more we are finding they are interrelated.  From mental health having a direct link to how well our bodies function-- no, not that sad people eat more, but that they're are specific things happening to the metabolic process in food digestion --to understanding what the micro biomes in our GI system, it's crazy to see what new research is yielding for the individual person.  Basically your 2000 calories are not the same as my 2000 calories and it's not as simple as one person being more sedentary then the other.


Dlew this author makes note of the time of day argument with her comments on intermittent fasting.  I like the way she frames it as part of understanding what our body is doing throughout the day as part of a larger system argument.
http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/01/09/secret-life-of-fat

[The Big Train]

i apologize for assuming, TBT.  from the "when and how" you eat, it sounded like some metabolic BS, when it's clearly just modifying habits to be CICO.  forgive me, i get weirdly passionate about this stuff.  i have no clue why.

It's cool. I'm sorry for being smug. Let's just air bro-hug it out and get back to being fit.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

Whew, for a minute there I really thought this whole keto/CICO conundrum was going to tear this blog apart.

For what it's worth, the idea of keto makes a lot of sense to me. And now that I have my macros adjusted for my body I'm starting to see the results. I'm about 80% sold at this point. I will be fully bought in if, in the coming weeks/months, I see the body fat really start melting away, but equally as important if my cravings for sugar and carbs go away. That part hadn't even come close yet. It was a co-workers birthday earlier this week and they brought cupcakes and all I could think about was how bad I wanted all of those cupcakes.

[The1BigWillie]

Hey dumbasses. The only thing that matters as far as weight loss is calories. Stop being dumbasses and excercise a bit and eat less calories than your daily maintenance number. I don't give a eff if you eat Taco Bell for every meal. As long as it is less calories than your maintenance number you will lose weight. Quit being dumb fatasses.

This is absolutely false by the way.  But you just do what you do and enjoy buddy.

[catastrophe]

I'm surprised this has not been mentioned yet, given that it came out of our own headline-making university.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

[BIG APPLE CAT]

I'm surprised this has not been mentioned yet, given that it came out of our own headline-making university.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

For a man to be at 24.9% body fat isn't exactly impressive. I wish that in his article he would have expanded on how he was feeling during the process. With all that sugar I would bet he probably rarely felt full, and probably felt generally sluggish and low energy but who knows.

[catastrophe]

Obviously you're not going to lose 27 pounds in two months without being overweight to begin with. This was only a study on weight loss, not other health consequences of this kind of a diet. Just wanted to debunk the debunkers ITT.