Big 12 Effeciency and Four Factors 3-5-12 (regular season adv stats)

[WillieWatanabe]

my head hurts.

[kso_FAN]

Also, I think the possessions issue is one factor that is mainly dictated by coaching styles and I'm not sure there is any statistical metric (offense or defense) that factors in more than any other. And with fewer teams in the league and the round robin schedule PLUS losing several coaches that liked to play fast, the impact was felt even more throughout the league.

Again to Rusty's original point, it is sort of strange that no team averaged more than 70 possessions (or even more than 68) in the league after 8 of the previous 9 years at least 3 teams per season averaged at least 70 possessions per game.

[kso_FAN]

my head hurts.

Yeah, you sort of have to look for a while, then take a break.

[mocat]

Also, I think the possessions issue is one factor that is mainly dictated by coaching styles and I'm not sure there is any statistical metric (offense or defense) that factors in more than any other. And with fewer teams in the league and the round robin schedule PLUS losing several coaches that liked to play fast, the impact was felt even more throughout the league.

Don't forget about Doc! 

[Fuktard]

The pace per game has changed from year to year in the 5 years under Frank.    But here are some numbers using points =

1)  When we allow under 70 (69 pts or less)....... our record is 34-7.   

2)  When we score 75 pts or more ..... our record is 32-4.   And 2 of those losses were because the game went into OT.  Home losses to KU and Isu in 2010, we did not have 75 pts when regulation concluded.   Also our win in OT in Texas 2009 we did not have 75 when OT started. So 31-2 when we scored 75 or more in regulation



It appears like the ave pace over Frank's 5 years is 69.    So, from an overall average standpoint, if we hold our Big 12 opp to 69 pts or under (or 1.00 or under) we are winning 83%  of the time (34-7)

50-32 overall in 5 years.  Exactly 50% of those games we have held our opp to under 70pts.   When we don't our record is 16-25



On the flipside, using that 69 pace ave for the 5 years, if we are score 75 or more pts (ave out to be 1.09ppp or more) then we are 31-2.   Obviously in the 3 OT games (KU Isu 2010 Texas 2009), the number of poss. for the game is going to be higher with the extra 5 minutes.   

FYI, Those 2 losses are 92-86 at Baylor and at T Tech 84-75 (both 2008)

So 31-2 when we scored 75pts or more by end of regualtion ( and we do this 40% of the time)
When we don't our record is 19-30







 

I think this speaks to the quality and consistency of our defense.  As I've mentioned many times before, we are only as good as we shoot...your analysis seems to back that up

[Cire]

It wasn't my intent to simplify the issue to just one reason for the decrease, the skilled guard talking point is just the one that I feel is the most important.  Also look at the bigs you mentioned, they are all athletic and capable of playing at a higher pace.  I also agree that Haith is a big reason for Mizzou's pace reduction, it was still nearly impossible to think their pace would have slowed that much.

I get it - I'm saying I don't think PG skill has anything to do with pace at this level. Pretty much any Big 12 PG is capable of playing at the pace their coach wants them to play (in addition to the fact that there are so many factors that go into pace).

Does mizzou have less possessions because they don't miss much our get many secs chances?

lots of OR's would actually make your pace lower - possessions only end with a made basket, defensive rebound, or turnover.

thanks, makes sense.

[Powercat Posse]

1st 4 times, 2nd once in the last 5 years in OR%     And we have been 8th, 4th, 1st and 2nd in OR per game the last 4 yrs nationally. Currently 15th this year


Nice to see our defense is as good as i had thought.
Top 2 in Def TO% in 4 of the past 5 years
Top 3 in Def eFG% the past 3 years

[kso_FAN]

And we have been 8th, 4th, 1st and 2nd in OR per game the last 4 yrs nationally. Currently 15th this year

Top 3 in Def eFG% the past 3 years

Some notable national rankings under Frank: (all games, starting this year and back to 07-08 )

Defensive Efficiency: 15, 31, 17, 42, 23
eFG% defense: 33, 85, 80, 96, 97
TO% defense: 23, 60, 24, 18, 91

Offensive Efficiency: 49, 47, 13, 65, 20
OR% offense: 6, 5, 6, 1, 2
FTR offense: 29, 51, 4, 36, 143

[Powercat Posse]

Yep, that is impressive.  TOP 10 five years in a row in OR%.   And top 25 in Def TO% 3 of the past 4 years



I said 31-2 when we score 75pts or more in regulation.   

Whats a little crazy is when we score between 70-74...... our record is only 4-9.    Then there were 2 games when we had low 70s and the game went to OT (went 1-1 in those 2 OT games)

[kso_FAN]

Yep, that is impressive.  TOP 10 five years in a row in OR%.   And top 25 in Def TO% 3 of the past 4 years

I said 31-2 when we score 75pts or more in regulation.   

Whats a little crazy is when we score between 70-74...... our record is only 4-9.    Then there were 2 games when we had low 70s and the game went to OT (went 1-1 in those 2 OT games)

Some tempo free numbers similar to what you posted:

62-1 when offensive efficiency is 1.12 PPP or better.
79-6 when offensive efficiency is 1.07 PPP or better.

70-1 when defensive efficiency is 0.89 PPP or better.

[Powercat Posse]

62-1 and 70-1........... are those for all games under Frank?

I assume the only loss when our ppp was 1.12 or above was at Baylor (92-86 in 2008)

What was the only loss when our Def ppp was .89 or better?      Was it the Fla loss 57-44?

[kso_FAN]

62-1 and 70-1........... are those for all games under Frank?

I assume the only loss when our ppp was 1.12 or above was at Baylor (92-86 in 2008)

What was the only loss when our Def ppp was .89 or better?      Was it the Fla loss 57-44?

Those numbers are over Frank's career.

Both losses were last year.

Our offensive efficiency was 1.15 when we lost to Wisconsin last year. (theirs was 1.24) UNLV's offensive efficiency when they beat us last year was .87. (ours was .81)

That Fla loss their off eff was .97, the game only had a pace of 59 possessions.

[Cartierfor3]

62-1 and 70-1........... are those for all games under Frank?

I assume the only loss when our ppp was 1.12 or above was at Baylor (92-86 in 2008)

What was the only loss when our Def ppp was .89 or better?      Was it the Fla loss 57-44?

Those numbers are over Frank's career.

Both losses were last year.

Our offensive efficiency was 1.15 when we lost to Wisconsin last year. (theirs was 1.24) UNLV's offensive efficiency when they beat us last year was .87. (ours was .81)

That Fla loss their off eff was .97, the game only had a pace of 59 possessions.

That's painful to know about the Whisky game. 

[WillieWatanabe]

my head hurts.

Yeah, you sort of have to look for a while, then take a break.

yeah, hopefully i didn't come off harsh. Great job at putting that together.