was told that Jones is "expected" vs. Texas A & M...

[MakeItRain]

Sprads is fine at this level if he hits shots (as a starter or off the bench.) His free throw shooting is still good and he shot well last year, so I'd expect his shooting to be better next year by quite a bit.

I agree.  Will isn't the problem, his role and minutes are.

[kougar24]

he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games.

You're not arguing that that is good enough, are you?

[Dugout DickStone]

I'm definitely not high on sprads transferring.  I am #teamspradsplaybetter

I'm the same. Sprads is better than he's playing, he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games. He's had stretches of being a good shooter, but clearly the combination of Big 12 defenses figuring him out and IMHO confidence issues shooting the ball have taken their toll. Still, he is getting a high number of open looks and he can't hit them. He is passing up shots. All while Frank has made his offensive role much more similar to last year by playing Angel at PG.

Realistically I don't think he is going anywhere. The only solution is for him to get better, but I think Frank needs to help by scaling back his role and his minutes until he can get some confidence back.

I said what I did because I think sprads will want to leave.  Not that Frank should Frank him.

[kso_FAN]

he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games.

You're not arguing that that is good enough, are you?

No, but it's not bad for a freshman on 60 attempts.

[Panjandrum]

I'm definitely not high on sprads transferring.  I am #teamspradsplaybetter

I'm the same. Sprads is better than he's playing, he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games. He's had stretches of being a good shooter, but clearly the combination of Big 12 defenses figuring him out and IMHO confidence issues shooting the ball have taken their toll. Still, he is getting a high number of open looks and he can't hit them. He is passing up shots. All while Frank has made his offensive role much more similar to last year by playing Angel at PG.

Realistically I don't think he is going anywhere. The only solution is for him to get better, but I think Frank needs to help by scaling back his role and his minutes until he can get some confidence back.

He plays ten minutes more a game this year (in conference play), and his eFG goes down 14%.

I think if he plays high teens/low 20's in a game, it limits his harm defensively, and his role becomes more focused.

But the kid looks gassed out there playing 30 minutes trying to keep up with better athletes.  If they scale him back, he may do better.

[kso_FAN]

He plays ten minutes more a game this year (in conference play), and his eFG goes down 14%.

I think if he plays high teens/low 20's in a game, it limits his harm defensively, and his role becomes more focused.

But the kid looks gassed out there playing 30 minutes trying to keep up with better athletes.  If they scale him back, he may do better.

Its pretty clear that his increased role and increased minutes have taken a toll on his production this season. To me this is even more pronounced because he had a good OOC this year and he played well against the better teams on the OOC schedule. IMHO its not like he hasn't proven that he can play at this level, but he has clearly shown he can't play consistently well in the role that he currently has. You just can't look at his numbers in Big 12 play and see it any other way.

[8manpick]

Sys, I'm guessing your reasoning behind Shane being the likeliest to transfer is that he is most likely to be able to transfer and then get to play a lot immediately? (immediately after becoming eligible)

Shane wouldn't be eligible to play immediately, if he transfers he'll have to sit out a year.

I understand that.  Just meant that, out of the guys who might transfer, Shane probably would benefit most in terms of playing time for his two remaining years of eligibility.

[kougar24]

he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games.

You're not arguing that that is good enough, are you?

No, but it's not bad for a freshman on 60 attempts.

Not bad for a frosh guard who can do other things, but Spradling is nothing but a spot shooter. 33% should be his floor, even as a frosh.

[kso_FAN]

he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games.

You're not arguing that that is good enough, are you?

No, but it's not bad for a freshman on 60 attempts.

Not bad for a frosh guard who can do other things, but Spradling is nothing but a spot shooter. 33% should be his floor, even as a frosh.

But he is expected to do other things. Its not like Frank plays him like Heslip at Baylor or something. In fact, its clear that Frank isn't ever going to have some sort of shooting specialist, so its unreasonable to expect it. I'm not saying Will does all those other things especially well, but he is expected to do them and Frank trusts him. We can all get as ticked as we want at how Frank uses him, but Frank has shown that he trusts Will and will continue to have expectations of him. I'm just hopeful that Frank will see the problems he's having and scale it back, but I'm never expecting Frank to change his role a lot, (especially to be just to be a spot shooter) because Frank has shown he simply doesn't do that.

[Panjandrum]

In fact, its clear that Frank isn't ever going to have some sort of shooting specialist, so its unreasonable to expect it.

True, but he does screw with his lineup a lot, and if he feels like he's got a decided advantage by having a 'shooter' on the floor, or he needs to protect a lead with free throw shooting, he'll sub him in.

He's not going to draw up a picket fence play for him, probably, but if Tay is on the floor spelling Angel, and Rodney is out with foul trouble, someone's gotta put points on the board.  If Will is hitting shots, it makes sense to have him in as long as you have someone like Shane in there as well to potentially handle the ball.

[kougar24]

he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games.

You're not arguing that that is good enough, are you?

No, but it's not bad for a freshman on 60 attempts.

Not bad for a frosh guard who can do other things, but Spradling is nothing but a spot shooter. 33% should be his floor, even as a frosh.

But he is expected to do other things. Its not like Frank plays him like Heslip at Baylor or something. In fact, its clear that Frank isn't ever going to have some sort of shooting specialist, so its unreasonable to expect it. I'm not saying Will does all those other things especially well, but he is expected to do them and Frank trusts him. We can all get as ticked as we want at how Frank uses him, but Frank has shown that he trusts Will and will continue to have expectations of him. I'm just hopeful that Frank will see the problems he's having and scale it back, but I'm never expecting Frank to change his role a lot, (especially to be just to be a spot shooter) because Frank has shown he simply doesn't do that.

I don't care what Frank expects him to do...he is a spot shooter by all measures, and he is a spot shooter that can't shoot right now. He has no business playing 25+ minutes a game right now.

[sys]

he's not a spot up shooter.  he's been a guy that has shot off the dribble all his life.  and i completely disagree with the people saying he can't play at this level or that his skills or athletic ability limits him to a marginal role.  his inability to perform this year (and by perform, i mean shoot) is inexplicable, except perhaps by cowardice.

[wetwillie]

Not sure there is anything more satisfying than being validated by sys, this one feels awesome.

[Fuktard]

he's not a spot up shooter.  he's been a guy that has shot off the dribble all his life.  and i completely disagree with the people saying he can't play at this level or that his skills or athletic ability limits him to a marginal role.  his inability to perform this year (and by perform, i mean shoot) is inexplicable, except perhaps by cowardice.

oooh...cant wait for Towel Rack aka MIR to come in and clean you up you racist piece of crap.  How dare you defend Sprads.

[sys]

mir has been saying the same thing all season, with the exception that he's also said that spradling has been disappointing in more aspects of the game than just shooting.  he was the first to jump on spradling's poor play, probably because he expected more out of him than just about anyone else did.

[MakeItRain]

mir has been saying the same thing all season, with the exception that he's also said that spradling has been disappointing in more aspects of the game than just shooting.  he was the first to jump on spradling's poor play, probably because he expected more out of him than just about anyone else did.

Also sys is 100% correct about Will having the ability to get into the paint but is scared to make a play for his teammates or attempt a shot with anyone within 5 feet of his torso.  I keep hearing about him being tough because of his dad, but he doesn't play courageous at all.  I want him to get his shot blocked, I want him to turn the ball over trying to fit a pass into a narrow space to a cutting forward.  Boob Knight had a fit because he didn't drop the ball off to JO late against KU, I was happy he had the balls to try the lay up.