Tale of 2 Halves (UT adv stats part 2)

[kso_FAN]

1st   Pace   PPP   eFG%   TO%   OR%   FTR
KSU   33   1.23   59.3%   21.5%   46.2%   44.4%
Opp   33   0.83   28.0%   27.6%   45.5%   80.0%

2nd   Pace   PPP   eFG%   TO%   OR%   FTR
KSU   33   0.72   38.7%   27.1%   28.6%   0.0%
Opp   33   1.45   81.3%   21.1%   27.3%   175.0%

Total   Pace   PPP   eFG%   TO%   OR%   FTR
KSU   66   0.97   48.3%   24.2%   35.3%   20.7%
Opp   66   1.13   48.8%   24.2%   39.4%   117.1%

No question, K-State did plenty of things poorly in the 2nd half. The shooting differences for both teams from half to half are ridiculous.

But the FTR of the 2nd half of 175% to 0% is ridiculous.

Also, Frank has had one other game where the difference between the oppontents's FTR and K-State's FTR was greater than 50%, the loss to Meeks and Kentucky in Frank's second year when it was 78%. The difference today was 97%.

UT's 117% FTR was also the biggest by any opponent against Frank Martin. UK had a 109% FTR in the game mentioned above.

The other 4 factors for the game where nearly even. Only FTR was significantly different.

I won't say FTs were the only reason we lost, but to not count them as a major factor is foolish, even with K-State playing poorly in the 2nd half.

[michigancat]

that is insane

[CHONGS]

that is insane

It is completely amazing,  We have some idiots who don't want to acknowledge that, but it is an amazing statistic.

[MakeItRain]

But the FTR of the 2nd half of 175% to 0% is ridiculous.

Pfft, I agree with Nicname the officiating was fine.  I bet you will find 10 games this week alone with a similar FTr disparity.

[gatoveintisiete]

But the FTR of the 2nd half of 175% to 0% is ridiculous.

Pfft, I agree with Nicname the officiating was fine.  I bet you will find 10 games this week alone with a similar FTr disparity.

Hey, mir was it the officials fault when Jody Meeks and kentucky beat us after kentucky turned it over 37 times that night?

[kso_FAN]

Since 2003, the largest FTR difference for UT compared to their opponent in Big 12 play was 62% (90% to 20% against MU).

Again, K-State played bad in the 2nd half, but the FTAs difference is historically bad. A difference of nearly 100% in FTR between teams is statistically absurd.

[gatoveintisiete]

Since 2003, the largest FTR difference for UT compared to their opponent in Big 12 play was 62% (90% to 20% against MU).

Again, K-State played bad in the 2nd half, but the FTAs difference is historically bad. A difference of nearly 100% in FTR between teams is statistically absurd.

First take out the last minute free throws to get the ball back, ok now take an honest look at our defensive play today, did we not get blown by and hack at the rim? absurd indeed.

[Powercat Posse]

Texas started 5-5 FG, but then went 2-20 to end the half.     They had 13-8 points adv at the FT line.......... but the 10 offensive rebounds we allowed them were the only thing i was really upset with at halftime

We made 14 of our last 25 shots and had forced them into 9 TOs.

2nd half, whole different story.  

The FT thing is just crazy.     We shot 12 FTs in the games first 13 minutes.   Then dont shoot 1 the final 27 minutes.    Bizarre!!  Especially when we are 5th in the nation in FTAs.   Then you add in the refs were calling the game tight early (both teams were in double bonus at 7 minute mark of 1st half) and it makes little sense that we were not able to get the line for such a long stretch.     

Texas shot 10 FTs late when we were trying to foul them, but still, they had 38 FTAs when that started

[catzacker]

wait, does eFG% factor in FT's?  cause that 2nd half disparity looks really, really weird.  I'd bet the officials had something to do with that.  prolly tipped in a few of UT's buckets when no one was watching.

[gatoveintisiete]

Since 2003, the largest FTR difference for UT compared to their opponent in Big 12 play was 62% (90% to 20% against MU).

Again, K-State played bad in the 2nd half, but the FTAs difference is historically bad. A difference of nearly 100% in FTR between teams is statistically absurd.

so after eliminating the 10ft at the end, that leaves 16 ft, or 8 shooting fouls more than our 6 fouls.  Basically 14 to 6, boy that is just ludicrous 

[kso_FAN]

Since 2003, the largest FTR difference for UT compared to their opponent in Big 12 play was 62% (90% to 20% against MU).

Again, K-State played bad in the 2nd half, but the FTAs difference is historically bad. A difference of nearly 100% in FTR between teams is statistically absurd.

so after eliminating the 10ft at the end, that leaves 16 ft, or 8 shooting fouls more than our 6 fouls.  Basically 14 to 6, boy that is just ludicrous 

Yes, I think a FTR of 113% to 0% for a half is still pretty bad. 93% to 20% for the game is still a big difference.

Also, please go back and count the number of times I said we played poorly in the 2nd half, because we did.

[kougar24]

So why does this happen? Is it because our team has a "rep" for fouling, coupled with pussy-ass big men who command nothing in the paint and guards who cannot attack (aside from Angel, who I thought should have gone to the line a few more times than he did)?

[MakeItRain]

But the FTR of the 2nd half of 175% to 0% is ridiculous.

Pfft, I agree with Nicname the officiating was fine.  I bet you will find 10 games this week alone with a similar FTr disparity.

Hey, mir was it the officials fault when Jody Meeks and kentucky beat us after kentucky turned it over 37 times that night?

[catzacker]

So why does this happen? Is it because our team has a "rep" for fouling, coupled with pussy-ass big men who command nothing in the paint and guards who cannot attack (aside from Angel, who I thought should have gone to the line a few more times than he did)?

gottlieb said that refs have told him ksu was hard to officiate because we basically foul every single play.  that's from a defensive perspective.  from an offensive perspective, we have no one that can get to the rim. Angel is our best player to do so, but he's limited.  Angel can get to the rim in comparison to Will.  our bigs are awful. just really awful.  remember when Gip as going to be really good?  yeah. 

[Powercat Posse]

At 1 point the fouls were Ksu 11, Texas 10.     With 90 seconds left, the foul count was Ksu 28, Texas 16.    

Texas had 10 fouls in 13 minutes.   Partly because the refs were calling it close and they had some touchy fouls just like us.  

So them getting 6 fouls in the last 27 minutes is a little  .     Dont tell me they just started playing great defense or their defense was not aggressive.    The refs just stopped calling them for a lot of touchy fouls.     When we were on defense, it sure seemed like they were calling it close, very touchy in the 2nd half  

 

We are 5th in the nation in FTAs.     Whether or not Angel is only guy that can get to the rim or what our bigs are capable of .............bottom line is we get to the line.    About 2 FT attempt every 3 minutes on average.   So 0 FTAs in the games final 27 minutes is a little SHOCKING.

[MakeItRain]

So why does this happen? Is it because our team has a "rep" for fouling, coupled with pussy-ass big men who command nothing in the paint and guards who cannot attack (aside from Angel, who I thought should have gone to the line a few more times than he did)?

gottlieb said that refs have told him ksu was hard to officiate because we basically foul every single play.  that's from a defensive perspective.  from an offensive perspective, we have no one that can get to the rim. Angel is our best player to do so, but he's limited.  Angel can get to the rim in comparison to Will.  our bigs are awful. just really awful.  remember when Gip as going to be really good?  yeah. 

Your Gip anger is your greatest sign of irrationality.

[catzacker]

So why does this happen? Is it because our team has a "rep" for fouling, coupled with pussy-ass big men who command nothing in the paint and guards who cannot attack (aside from Angel, who I thought should have gone to the line a few more times than he did)?

gottlieb said that refs have told him ksu was hard to officiate because we basically foul every single play.  that's from a defensive perspective.  from an offensive perspective, we have no one that can get to the rim. Angel is our best player to do so, but he's limited.  Angel can get to the rim in comparison to Will.  our bigs are awful. just really awful.  remember when Gip as going to be really good?  yeah. 

Your Gip anger is your greatest sign of irrationality.

I thought he was going to be really good this year.  notice i said "really". 

[MakeItRain]

So why does this happen? Is it because our team has a "rep" for fouling, coupled with pussy-ass big men who command nothing in the paint and guards who cannot attack (aside from Angel, who I thought should have gone to the line a few more times than he did)?

gottlieb said that refs have told him ksu was hard to officiate because we basically foul every single play.  that's from a defensive perspective.  from an offensive perspective, we have no one that can get to the rim. Angel is our best player to do so, but he's limited.  Angel can get to the rim in comparison to Will.  our bigs are awful. just really awful.  remember when Gip as going to be really good?  yeah. 

Your Gip anger is your greatest sign of irrationality.

I thought he was going to be really good this year.  notice i said "really". 

So he sucks because of your inflated expectations?  What's wrong with a true freshman being just okay?

[catzacker]

So why does this happen? Is it because our team has a "rep" for fouling, coupled with pussy-ass big men who command nothing in the paint and guards who cannot attack (aside from Angel, who I thought should have gone to the line a few more times than he did)?

gottlieb said that refs have told him ksu was hard to officiate because we basically foul every single play.  that's from a defensive perspective.  from an offensive perspective, we have no one that can get to the rim. Angel is our best player to do so, but he's limited.  Angel can get to the rim in comparison to Will.  our bigs are awful. just really awful.  remember when Gip as going to be really good?  yeah. 

Your Gip anger is your greatest sign of irrationality.

I thought he was going to be really good this year.  notice i said "really". 

So he sucks because of your inflated expectations?  What's wrong with a true freshman being just okay?

nothing wrong with it.  he's just not producing like he was earlier this year.  we need him to because JO sucks/got frank'd, Jamar is Jamar, and Diaz is not ready to be consistent nor is he all that talented.

[MakeItRain]

Who would have thought the production of a true freshman big would fall off during conference play?

[kougar24]

MiR is really good at picking fights.

[catzacker]

Who would have thought the production of a true freshman big would fall off during conference play?

it doesn't matter the reason, it matters that it did.  we need(ed) his production to not fall off because the rest of our bigs aren't very good.  which was basically my point. 

[sys]

ar-t doesn't get to the rim well compared to spradling, he gets to the rim well compared to just about anyone.


the ftr differential is ridiculous, and stf up about taking out the last minute fts unless you take them out of the games you are comparing this game to as well.

[catzacker]

angel is a slightly below average big 12 point guard right now.  his "getting it to the rim" ability is (a) limited and (b) not that great when compared to the other teams in the league that are above us in the standings.  But he is the "best" on this team, which isn't saying much at all.

maybe he becomes an all big 12 point guard (2nd team), but I highly doubt it.  he's limited.  but hey, at least frank thinks he's fiesty. 

his upside is entirely overrated on this board.

[sys]

angel is a slightly below average big 12 point guard right now.  his "getting it to the rim" ability is (a) limited and (b) not that great when compared to the other teams in the league that are above us in the standings.

saying it doesn't make it true, zacker.  it just makes you stupid.