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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2010, 05:18:51 PM »
The shot clock and the 3 point line have absolutely killed basketball, haven't they tann?

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2010, 05:19:10 PM »

We can play what-ifs wall night.  The facts are:

Frank Martin has lost to Iowa State AND Oklahoma State (both unranked) at home because he is either too stubborn or too stupid to teach good basketball.  Frank Martin is the Big XII COY. 

You and I both know those ballots were sent in before the final game.

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2010, 05:19:48 PM »
K-State's ball movement is non-existant.  The offense is basically get the ball in the hands of Clemente/Pullen, and let them throw up a deep three, or drive to the lane out of control and hope to get a foul called.  I like Frank Martin as a person, and he's not bad when it comes to coaching tough-minded defense, but K-State's offense is a complete joke.  If it weren't for K-State's offensive rebounding ability, your team would have a much tougher time finding easy baskets.  

Like I've mentioned before, you also have to love how Frank never plays his two most talented freshmen, Rodney McGruder and Wally Judge.  Every time Judge or McGruder play 20+ minutes, they score in double figures, except for the game @KU.  But hey, why play those two guys when you've got Luis Colon and Chris Merriweather over there on the bench?  

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2010, 05:20:09 PM »
Tann, can you tell us how you would teach passing?  Can a college coach make a great passer?  TIA.

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2010, 05:20:45 PM »
Ok damn it don't lump me in with this tann dude... seriously I may be a bad poster but this dude is worse then even me
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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2010, 05:21:39 PM »
The shot clock and the 3 point line have absolutely killed basketball, haven't they tann?
No, the emphasis on style over substance, not calling traveling anymore, and the embracing of rap culture killed basketball.

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2010, 05:22:17 PM »
Tann, how would you punish a player if he shot a right handed lay-up while jumping off the incorrect foot?  Or what if he shoots a left handed lay-up with his right hand?  Again, TIA.

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2010, 05:22:32 PM »
You and I both know those ballots were sent in before the final game.

Yeah, and why is that?  Because the COY Award is based on the entire "body of work."  Not merely the last game of the year.  Are you f'n Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)?  

Again 24-6.  You like to focus on one game.  Any comment on the 24 wins?  Probably luck, huh?

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2010, 05:23:07 PM »
The shot clock and the 3 point line have absolutely killed basketball, haven't they tann?
No, the emphasis on style over substance, not calling traveling anymore, and the embracing of rap culture killed basketball.

Can you explain, in 100 words or less, how rap killed basketball?  TIA.

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2010, 05:23:50 PM »
K-State's ball movement is non-existant.  The offense is basically get the ball in the hands of Clemente/Pullen, and let them throw up a deep three, or drive to the lane out of control and hope to get a foul called.  I like Frank Martin as a person, and he's not bad when it comes to coaching tough-minded defense, but K-State's offense is a complete joke.  If it weren't for K-State's offensive rebounding ability, your team would have a much tougher time finding easy baskets.  

Like I've mentioned before, you also have to love how Frank never plays his two most talented freshmen, Rodney McGruder and Wally Judge.  Every time Judge or McGruder play 20+ minutes, they score in double figures, except for the game @KU.  But hey, why play those two guys when you've got Luis Colon and Chris Merriweather over there on the bench?  
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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2010, 05:25:31 PM »
K-State's ball movement is non-existant.  The offense is basically get the ball in the hands of Clemente/Pullen, and let them throw up a deep three, or drive to the lane out of control and hope to get a foul called.  I like Frank Martin as a person, and he's not bad when it comes to coaching tough-minded defense, but K-State's offense is a complete joke.  If it weren't for K-State's offensive rebounding ability, your team would have a much tougher time finding easy baskets.  

Like I've mentioned before, you also have to love how Frank never plays his two most talented freshmen, Rodney McGruder and Wally Judge.  Every time Judge or McGruder play 20+ minutes, they score in double figures, except for the game @KU.  But hey, why play those two guys when you've got Luis Colon and Chris Merriweather over there on the bench?  
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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2010, 05:27:35 PM »
Tann, how would you punish a player if he shot a right handed lay-up while jumping off the incorrect foot?  Or what if he shoots a left handed lay-up with his right hand?  Again, TIA.
Drills, drills, drills.

Players will form four lines at one of the baselines, facing the coach at half-court. The first player in each line will start by dribbling an imaginary basketball toward the free throw line area. As they approach the free throw line, they will perform the proper footwork and shooting form to shoot an imaginary lay-up.

They will repeat this at the half-court line and opposite free throw line. Once they pass the first free throw line, the next player in their group will begin. The players should practice both right and left handed lay-ups.

To stop incorrect hand/foot placement, tape the players arm to their side.

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2010, 05:28:25 PM »
What about dribble blinders??


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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2010, 05:30:10 PM »
Tann, how would you punish a player if he shot a right handed lay-up while jumping off the incorrect foot?  Or what if he shoots a left handed lay-up with his right hand?  Again, TIA.
Drills, drills, drills.

Players will form four lines at one of the baselines, facing the coach at half-court. The first player in each line will start by dribbling an imaginary basketball toward the free throw line area. As they approach the free throw line, they will perform the proper footwork and shooting form to shoot an imaginary lay-up.

They will repeat this at the half-court line and opposite free throw line. Once they pass the first free throw line, the next player in their group will begin. The players should practice both right and left handed lay-ups.

To stop incorrect hand/foot placement, tape the players arm to their side.

Excellent.

You must have missed my question about passing.  Can a college coach develop a great passer?  How would you go about doing this?

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2010, 05:31:32 PM »
Drills, drills, drills.

Players will form four lines at one of the baselines, facing the coach at half-court. The first player in each line will start by dribbling an imaginary basketball toward the free throw line area. As they approach the free throw line, they will perform the proper footwork and shooting form to shoot an imaginary lay-up.


Hmmm.  I'm intrigued.  When you run this drill with your 5th grade girls' team, do they always practice with imaginary balls?  Or do you ever substitute the real thing?  TIA

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #65 on: March 08, 2010, 05:35:18 PM »
The shot clock and the 3 point line have absolutely killed basketball, haven't they tann?
No, the emphasis on style over substance, not calling traveling anymore, and the embracing of rap culture killed basketball.

Can you explain, in 100 words or less, how rap killed basketball?  TIA.
It emphasizes the individual, there is no band working together, just a lone person telling the world how great they are.  Its the me-first attitude that is destroying everything, not just basketball.  Its about who can get the most gold or most drugs, no matter what.  The concept of a team in the opposite of what rap teaches.

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2010, 05:40:33 PM »
Tann, how would you punish a player if he shot a right handed lay-up while jumping off the incorrect foot?  Or what if he shoots a left handed lay-up with his right hand?  Again, TIA.
Drills, drills, drills.

Players will form four lines at one of the baselines, facing the coach at half-court. The first player in each line will start by dribbling an imaginary basketball toward the free throw line area. As they approach the free throw line, they will perform the proper footwork and shooting form to shoot an imaginary lay-up.

They will repeat this at the half-court line and opposite free throw line. Once they pass the first free throw line, the next player in their group will begin. The players should practice both right and left handed lay-ups.

To stop incorrect hand/foot placement, tape the players arm to their side.

Excellent.

You must have missed my question about passing.  Can a college coach develop a great passer?  How would you go about doing this?
Of course he can.  David Robinson barely knew the game when he was developed, now he's a Hall of Famer.

Do the following drill:

Players will divide into groups of three. The groups will spread out throughout the gym. Each group will have two offensive players and one defensive player. The offensive players should face each other about 12 feet apart. The defensive player stands between the offensive players about two feet from the player with the ball.

The offensive players will use the chest pass, bounce pass, and one-hand bounce pass. The offensive players cannot move more than one step to either side and cannot throw lob passes over the defenders head. The offensive players must work on good ball fakes and quick passes. Players should switch positions after 30 seconds.

If the defender steals the ball, the offensive players drop and give 15 push-ups.   If 20 passes in a row are accomplished, a second defender is added.

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2010, 05:40:57 PM »
Ok damn it don't lump me in with this tann dude... seriously I may be a bad poster but this dude is worse then even me

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #68 on: March 08, 2010, 05:55:07 PM »
Tann, how would you punish a player if he shot a right handed lay-up while jumping off the incorrect foot?  Or what if he shoots a left handed lay-up with his right hand?  Again, TIA.
Drills, drills, drills.

Players will form four lines at one of the baselines, facing the coach at half-court. The first player in each line will start by dribbling an imaginary basketball toward the free throw line area. As they approach the free throw line, they will perform the proper footwork and shooting form to shoot an imaginary lay-up.

They will repeat this at the half-court line and opposite free throw line. Once they pass the first free throw line, the next player in their group will begin. The players should practice both right and left handed lay-ups.

To stop incorrect hand/foot placement, tape the players arm to their side.

Excellent.

You must have missed my question about passing.  Can a college coach develop a great passer?  How would you go about doing this?
Of course he can.  David Robinson barely knew the game when he was developed, now he's a Hall of Famer.

Do the following drill:

Players will divide into groups of three. The groups will spread out throughout the gym. Each group will have two offensive players and one defensive player. The offensive players should face each other about 12 feet apart. The defensive player stands between the offensive players about two feet from the player with the ball.

The offensive players will use the chest pass, bounce pass, and one-hand bounce pass. The offensive players cannot move more than one step to either side and cannot throw lob passes over the defenders head. The offensive players must work on good ball fakes and quick passes. Players should switch positions after 30 seconds.

If the defender steals the ball, the offensive players drop and give 15 push-ups.   If 20 passes in a row are accomplished, a second defender is added.


you should shoot HC COY FM an e-mail about those drills, might come in handy later this month

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #69 on: March 08, 2010, 06:14:15 PM »
lol Tannoujew had me fooled a couple times at ksufans.  Now I know better. 

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #70 on: March 08, 2010, 06:20:44 PM »
The shot clock and the 3 point line have absolutely killed basketball, haven't they tann?
No, the emphasis on style over substance, not calling traveling anymore, and the embracing of rap culture killed basketball.

Can you explain, in 100 words or less, how rap killed basketball?  TIA.
It emphasizes the individual, there is no band working together, just a lone person telling the world how great they are.  Its the me-first attitude that is destroying everything, not just basketball.  Its about who can get the most gold or most drugs, no matter what.  The concept of a team in the opposite of what rap teaches.

Tann, sounds like me and you have alot in common...see u at the next klan meeting.. :opcat:  :drink:

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #71 on: March 08, 2010, 06:44:56 PM »
The shot clock and the 3 point line have absolutely killed basketball, haven't they tann?
No, the emphasis on style over substance, not calling traveling anymore, and the embracing of rap culture killed basketball.

Can you explain, in 100 words or less, how rap killed basketball?  TIA.
It emphasizes the individual, there is no band working together, just a lone person telling the world how great they are.  Its the me-first attitude that is destroying everything, not just basketball.  Its about who can get the most gold or most drugs, no matter what.  The concept of a team in the opposite of what rap teaches.

Tann, sounds like me and you have alot in common...see u at the next klan meeting.. :opcat:  :drink:

Most drugs? I currently have Vicadon 10/325, ultram 50 mg, MScontin 15's and its all for constant back pain and surgical complications... so what do I win?
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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #72 on: March 08, 2010, 07:10:38 PM »
The shot clock and the 3 point line have absolutely killed basketball, haven't they tann?
No, the emphasis on style over substance, not calling traveling anymore, and the embracing of rap culture killed basketball.

Can you explain, in 100 words or less, how rap killed basketball?  TIA.
It emphasizes the individual, there is no band working together, just a lone person telling the world how great they are.  Its the me-first attitude that is destroying everything, not just basketball.  Its about who can get the most gold or most drugs, no matter what.  The concept of a team in the opposite of what rap teaches.

Tann, sounds like me and you have alot in common...see u at the next klan meeting.. :opcat:  :drink:

Most drugs? I currently have Vicadon 10/325, ultram 50 mg, MScontin 15's and its all for constant back pain and surgical complications... so what do I win?

Your a mod on the most amazing ksu message board in the world. What more could you want?

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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #73 on: March 08, 2010, 07:14:26 PM »
The shot clock and the 3 point line have absolutely killed basketball, haven't they tann?
No, the emphasis on style over substance, not calling traveling anymore, and the embracing of rap culture killed basketball.

Can you explain, in 100 words or less, how rap killed basketball?  TIA.
It emphasizes the individual, there is no band working together, just a lone person telling the world how great they are.  Its the me-first attitude that is destroying everything, not just basketball.  Its about who can get the most gold or most drugs, no matter what.  The concept of a team in the opposite of what rap teaches.

Tann, sounds like me and you have alot in common...see u at the next klan meeting.. :opcat:  :drink:

Most drugs? I currently have Vicadon 10/325, ultram 50 mg, MScontin 15's and its all for constant back pain and surgical complications... so what do I win?

Your a mod on the most amazing ksu message board in the world. What more could you want?

Greedy little man you are
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Re: Why coaching matters
« Reply #74 on: March 08, 2010, 07:28:34 PM »
Tann=best sock/slth combo ever  :love: