Why coaching matters

[Tannoudji]

Well, well, well.  Looks the scenery has changed, but the same old actors are spouting their same old lines over and over again.  While the PC-fest on ksufans continues to engulf them in flames, I had high hopes this site would finally be the one were Wildcat fans could get an unbiased perspective.  But alas, I was wrong.   I guess I shouldn't be too surprised to see the usual social experiment defenders crawling on the hands and knees apologizing for "Frank" Martin's unsurprising and typical late season collapse.  I knew back in November that his favoritism would cost us in the long run.  When your so-called point guard cannot communicate with his teammates, then the offense (if you can call what Frank runs an offense) will dissolve.  My son worked for 15 years at IBP, and if he learned one thing, it's that you get a leader who can talk with ALL of his teammates. 

So what then?

That's why coaching matters. 

Late in the year when brute strength and athleticism start to to wane, you need fundamentals to fall back on.  It has been talked about for years now, but I have not seen a single improvement in this team when it comes to fundamental basketball.  I continually see lazy one-handed passes, layups with the wrong hand, and not closing out the baseline.  Closing out the baseline is RULE #1 when teaching defense.  Against Kansas and Iowa State our players continually let their players drive the baseline for easy baskets, while we rushed back down court and threw up terrible outside shots.  Its a simple game, and Frank Martin doesn't seem to grasp it yet. 

4 RULES OF BAKSETBALL

1.  Spacing
2.  Pivoting
3.  Pace
4.  Hands Up

How come I know these things and my high school coach (who didn't make a hundredth of what Frank Martin does) knew these thing, while the supposedly best team we've had in years can't even properly execute a fast break?

It reminds me of that one kid in my son's high school. his parents moved in from Altanta so the high school coach was just drooling at the prospect.  He looked like what most people though a basketball player should look like.  He had the nicest shoes on the team (what those people will spend their money on), shoes I wish I could buy my son.   For the first fifteen minutes or so of practice he dribbled the ball up court and easily scored, jumped higher than anyone else by about a half foot.  Looked unstoppable, the whole team was in awe.  During a break I took my son aside and told him that the new kid's dribble was too high and a myriad of other flaws in his fundamentals.  Next trip down court my son stripped the ball from him and made an easy layup on the other end that would have gone in if the new kid hadn't goal tended and fouled him.  After that he spell was broken.  The other players forgot about the flash and remembered the substance.  The new kid never started a single game.

Frank Martin is our new pair of shoes.  The nicest ones on the team. 

Too bad we forgot our fundamentals, because the other teams aren't scared anymore.

[OK_Cat]

will read later, but wanted to post in this thread before it became legendary.   

[michigancat]

[theswo]

Too bad we just signed Martin to an extension, we apparently should have hired you instead

[michigancat]

especially love the transfer story.

[Paul Moscow]

The Resurrection!

[mcmwcat]

noogey, you got any pets?

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=1083.0

just a heads up.  tia fwiw

[Tannoudji]

Too bad we just signed Martin to an extension, we apparently should have hired you instead

I would certainly have cost us less money.

I think my team would have beat ISU at home.

[WillieWatanabe]

Epic!

[EllToPay]

Tannoudji 

[Tannoudji]

noogey, you got any pets?

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=1083.0

just a heads up.  tia fwiw

I keep no animals in my house.

[AzCat]

Well, well, well.  Looks the scenery has changed, but the same old actors are spouting their same old lines over and over again.  While the PC-fest on ksufans continues to engulf them in flames, I had high hopes this site would finally be the one were Wildcat fans could get an unbiased perspective.  But alas, I was wrong.   I guess I shouldn't be too surprised to see the usual social experiment defenders crawling on the hands and knees apologizing for "Frank" Martin's unsurprising and typical late season collapse.  I knew back in November that his favoritism would cost us in the long run.  When your so-called point guard cannot communicate with his teammates, then the offense (if you can call what Frank runs an offense) will dissolve.  My son worked for 15 years at IBP, and if he learned one thing, it's that you get a leader who can talk with ALL of his teammates. 

So what then?

That's why coaching matters. 

Late in the year when brute strength and athleticism start to to wane, you need fundamentals to fall back on.  It has been talked about for years now, but I have not seen a single improvement in this team when it comes to fundamental basketball.  I continually see lazy one-handed passes, layups with the wrong hand, and not closing out the baseline.  Closing out the baseline is RULE #1 when teaching defense.  Against Kansas and Iowa State our players continually let their players drive the baseline for easy baskets, while we rushed back down court and threw up terrible outside shots.  Its a simple game, and Frank Martin doesn't seem to grasp it yet. 

4 RULES OF BAKSETBALL

1.  Spacing
2.  Pivoting
3.  Pace
4.  Hands Up

How come I know these things and my high school coach (who didn't make a hundredth of what Frank Martin does) knew these thing, while the supposedly best team we've had in years can't even properly execute a fast break?

It reminds me of that one kid in my son's high school. his parents moved in from Altanta so the high school coach was just drooling at the prospect.  He looked like what most people though a basketball player should look like.  He had the nicest shoes on the team (what those people will spend their money on), shoes I wish I could buy my son.   For the first fifteen minutes or so of practice he dribbled the ball up court and easily scored, jumped higher than anyone else by about a half foot.  Looked unstoppable, the whole team was in awe.  During a break I took my son aside and told him that the new kid's dribble was too high and a myriad of other flaws in his fundamentals.  Next trip down court my son stripped the ball from him and made an easy layup on the other end that would have gone in if the new kid hadn't goal tended and fouled him.  After that he spell was broken.  The other players forgot about the flash and remembered the substance.  The new kid never started a single game.

Frank Martin is our new pair of shoes.  The nicest ones on the team. 

Too bad we forgot our fundamentals, because the other teams aren't scared anymore.

 :powerespect:

[Bill Clarahan]

Where does your son play now, Cornell, Harvard or some other elite school.  Has to be because if he's your son he must be uber intelligent, and sounds like an outstanding student athlete.  Cheers

[kso_FAN]

Lots of gyms there.  Particularly baseline defense and the transfer story.

This board needed a boost, thanks Tannoudji!

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'noudj, we're gonna be getting all wasted and crap in KC for the Big 12 tournament.  You should come pak with us!

[Tannoudji]

Where does your son play now, Cornell, Harvard or some other elite school.  Has to be because if he's your son he must be uber intelligent, and sounds like an outstanding student athlete.  Cheers

My son did not play basketball in college.   He is very smart, smarter than his old man anyway, but I would never send him Havard or any other "school" like it.

[Mcgruder]

Love the picture of Jesus holding a gun....btw you have slth written all over you

[Tannoudji]

'noudj, we're gonna be getting all wasted and crap in KC for the Big 12 tournament.  You should come pak with us!

1.  I will not be in the Kansas City area.
2.  I do not drink anymore.
3.  Grow up.

Is anyone going to talk basketball, or is this going to devolve into the usual nintendo/mtv drivel?

[Tannoudji]

Love the picture of Jesus holding a gun....btw you have slth written all over you

I seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

[theswo]

I'll take the bait ... Which players are you talking about specifically?  The one player that sees significant minutes that I think has consistent serious problems on the defensive end is Curtis.  He tends to hedge too far when his man screens a guard near the top of the key, leaving his man either open or matched up on the block with Pullen or Clemente guarding them.  However, he is a necessary evil because he is such a talented scoring threat on the block.

[sys]

all i can say, tann, is bullshit, which is about all i can say.

you see, tann, what separates us from other programs such as ku, nu, ut, ou, etc... isn't coaching, or baseline defense or whatever.  it's about something else.

there's no way to know what the future holds, but from frank martin's video comments, it seems that he truly gets it!  we already know that coach LHC Bill Snyder gets it.  what sets kstate apart is that while we value winning and success, we almost equally value the virtues of loyalty, integrity, humility, family, hard work, honest effort, respect, etc...

other programs are different because they are all about being the biggest or the best or winning at any and all costs.  then when they win, they gain their joy by pointing out to any and all who will listen that they won!  they seek to use the power (real or perceived) they have gained as leverage to intimidate or gain an advantage in any way possible.  they demand that everyone recognize their accomplishments and "bow at their altar."  we've all witnessed arrogance, condescension and braggadocio from our b12 counterparts.

i believe kstate stands for something different and is motivated differently.  i believe that kstate loves kstate and wants it to do well and succede, to the best of its abilities.  the fans love the teams, and typically the teams love the fans.  sure we have healthy rivalries, but beyond that, we wish our counterparts well as well.  we complain when we see that we are not being shown respect for our accomplishments or when someone else is being shown favoritism and is benefiting unfairly from it.

coach LHC Bill Snyder set the standard.  what a tremendous individual.  who would not have loved to hire this man away for their own program???  how many national championships could he have had if he'd had the unlimited budget or superpower recruiting status enjoyed by other programs?  yet, he remained loyal.  god bless LHC Bill Snyder.

as for basketball... i thought, as many did, that we had our perfect hire in lon kruger.  wow.  not only was that not perfect, but his claim that there was "no place i'd rather be than kstate" right before he shot out the door set us on the basketball death spiral from which we are only now recovering.  i thought he, of all people, would get it.  sadly, he did not.  i don't mind that he left, i just wish he'd been honest and not left the program in a lurch in the process.  loyalty.  dignity.  integrity.  character.

but now... frank martin.  what an unlikely marriage of heartland american university and south florida coach.  yet, somehow...a perfect fit.  let me just say to you, frank martin:  "you are home!"  you are a perfect embodiment of what kansas state university stands for.  i hope your future, at least a significant portion of it, includes tremendous success and kansas state university.  i believe, as impossible as it may seem, that we share many of the same core values.  i hope you are as impressed with our school, community, state etc... as we have been with you.  i wish you nothing but the very best, and will be devoted to helping you achieve success.

you see, i love kansas state university.  i don't want it to succeed so i can pound my chest and rub it in (ok, maybe to the irritating ku fans who have done so to me for 20 years ) to everyone around me.  i want it to succeed because i love it.  similarly, and it is with utmost respect and appreciation that i say this, a piece of me dies each time we lose as well.  i know i am not alone... nor, coach martin, are you.

every man a wildcat

god bless, coach martin

[PurpleScarf]

Mods, can Tannoudji do his own podcast??? PLEASE???

[Cire]

is that copy and pasted from gpc or something?

[kso_FAN]

all i can say, tann, is bullshit, which is about all i can say.

you see, tann, what separates us from other programs such as ku, nu, ut, ou, etc... isn't coaching, or baseline defense or whatever.  it's about something else.

there's no way to know what the future holds, but from frank martin's video comments, it seems that he truly gets it!  we already know that coach LHC Bill Snyder gets it.  what sets kstate apart is that while we value winning and success, we almost equally value the virtues of loyalty, integrity, humility, family, hard work, honest effort, respect, etc...

other programs are different because they are all about being the biggest or the best or winning at any and all costs.  then when they win, they gain their joy by pointing out to any and all who will listen that they won!  they seek to use the power (real or perceived) they have gained as leverage to intimidate or gain an advantage in any way possible.  they demand that everyone recognize their accomplishments and "bow at their altar."  we've all witnessed arrogance, condescension and braggadocio from our b12 counterparts.

i believe kstate stands for something different and is motivated differently.  i believe that kstate loves kstate and wants it to do well and succede, to the best of its abilities.  the fans love the teams, and typically the teams love the fans.  sure we have healthy rivalries, but beyond that, we wish our counterparts well as well.  we complain when we see that we are not being shown respect for our accomplishments or when someone else is being shown favoritism and is benefiting unfairly from it.

coach LHC Bill Snyder set the standard.  what a tremendous individual.  who would not have loved to hire this man away for their own program???  how many national championships could he have had if he'd had the unlimited budget or superpower recruiting status enjoyed by other programs?  yet, he remained loyal.  god bless LHC Bill Snyder.

as for basketball... i thought, as many did, that we had our perfect hire in lon kruger.  wow.  not only was that not perfect, but his claim that there was "no place i'd rather be than kstate" right before he shot out the door set us on the basketball death spiral from which we are only now recovering.  i thought he, of all people, would get it.  sadly, he did not.  i don't mind that he left, i just wish he'd been honest and not left the program in a lurch in the process.  loyalty.  dignity.  integrity.  character.

but now... frank martin.  what an unlikely marriage of heartland american university and south florida coach.  yet, somehow...a perfect fit.  let me just say to you, frank martin:  "you are home!"  you are a perfect embodiment of what kansas state university stands for.  i hope your future, at least a significant portion of it, includes tremendous success and kansas state university.  i believe, as impossible as it may seem, that we share many of the same core values.  i hope you are as impressed with our school, community, state etc... as we have been with you.  i wish you nothing but the very best, and will be devoted to helping you achieve success.

you see, i love kansas state university.  i don't want it to succeed so i can pound my chest and rub it in (ok, maybe to the irritating ku fans who have done so to me for 20 years ) to everyone around me.  i want it to succeed because i love it.  similarly, and it is with utmost respect and appreciation that i say this, a piece of me dies each time we lose as well.  i know i am not alone... nor, coach martin, are you.

every man a wildcat

god bless, coach martin

clever use of no caps to whoever stole sys' sign-on. 

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