Woke up this morning and am still melting down

[bakerman]

It's fine to just get beat.  The referees took the game from us.

The refs weren't great, but they didn't take a 14pt lead.

this

don't be a ku fan. we shouldn't have gotten in that position.

I agree that you can't just forget about the time span from the 14 minute mark to the under 4 TO and losing the lead. And I'm never a "blame the officials" person.

But man, watching McGrud's get bumped and no call, then ISU goes to the other end and has less contact on a similar play and goes to the line...

As Wyatt said on the radio call: "I'm sorry, but that's a joke. That's just a joke."

I agree, I lost it and yelled at the tv like none other. But it's not the reason we lost.

[kso_FAN]

I agree on two bad situ's, but there were plenty of times where we were very physical on D down low and no calls were made.  I think they were a little more touchy for them then for us, but gotta expect this in the Frank era since the book on us is that we rough folks up.  Sucks but our team has to expect it and game plan to overcome it.  Makes it that much tougher when we play like we have been.

Again, I agree completely with all of that.

But to me discussions of how the game was called throughout and how the game is called in the last couple minutes are different. On a last second shot, that contact probably isn't called. But when All league caliber players attack like that not on the last possession more often than not they get the call, home or away.

But yes, we lost the game by fumbling it away and playing poor defense the last 14 minutes of the game more than a single missed foul call, but it doesn't make a missed foul call in that situation (especially given ISU got the call in a similar situation on their next possession) any less disappointing.

[Winters]

I may have or may not have taken an anti-depressant this morning.

[CNS]

I agree on two bad situ's, but there were plenty of times where we were very physical on D down low and no calls were made.  I think they were a little more touchy for them then for us, but gotta expect this in the Frank era since the book on us is that we rough folks up.  Sucks but our team has to expect it and game plan to overcome it.  Makes it that much tougher when we play like we have been.

Again, I agree completely with all of that.

But to me discussions of how the game was called throughout and how the game is called in the last couple minutes are different. On a last second shot, that contact probably isn't called. But when All league caliber players attack like that not on the last possession more often than not they get the call, home or away.

But yes, we lost the game by fumbling it away and playing poor defense the last 14 minutes of the game more than a single missed foul call, but it doesn't make a missed foul call in that situation (especially given ISU got the call in a similar situation on their next possession) any less disappointing.

Yeah.  I could live with it if neither were called.  Obvs lots of refs like to swallow the whistle and not decide the game(which I hate because a foul is a foul regardless).

[kso_FAN]

Yeah.  I could live with it if neither were called.  Obvs lots of refs like to swallow the whistle and not decide the game(which I hate because a foul is a foul regardless).

My main frustration with the non call for McGruds was the fact ISU got a call on IMHO much less of a foul on the other end.

[pissclams]

we've been on the "good" side of the home cooking this season too, we're just too stupid to take advantage of it.  the refs handed us the game against baylor and we proceeded to hand it to scott drew's face.

[CNS]

Yeah.  I could live with it if neither were called.  Obvs lots of refs like to swallow the whistle and not decide the game(which I hate because a foul is a foul regardless).

My main frustration with the non call for McGruds was the fact ISU got a call on IMHO much less of a foul on the other end.

I know, that is what I was saying about swallowing the whistle being an ok excuse in my mind if neither were called.  

[Winters]

Yeah.  I could live with it if neither were called.  Obvs lots of refs like to swallow the whistle and not decide the game(which I hate because a foul is a foul regardless).

My main frustration with the non call for McGruds was the fact ISU got a call on IMHO much less of a foul on the other end.

This is what killed me.

[kougar24]

we've been on the "good" side of the home cooking this season too, we're just too stupid to take advantage of it.  the refs handed us the game against baylor and we proceeded to hand it to scott drew's face.

Yep.

[Cire]

Game was stolen.  Homered etc.

[bigwillie20]

we've been on the "good" side of the home cooking this season too, we're just too stupid to take advantage of it.  the refs handed us the game against baylor and we proceeded to hand it to scott drew's face.

Not to mention we beat the crap out of the ISU players in the 1st half and got away with alot of it

[OregonSmock]

I'm just now melting down over the loss on Saturday.  Iowa State is 10th in the country in 3-point attempts, yet look at their free throw disparity compared to their opponents:

ISU: 530-325 (+205)


For comparison, here are the rest of the teams in the league:


MU: 488-321 (+167)
KSU: 554-483 (+71)
BU: 453-382 (+71)
KU: 466-403 (+63)
OU: 392-362 (+30)
OSU: 470-486 (-16)
aTm: 324-412 (-88)
TT: 441-548 (-107)


How the hell does a team that is 10th in the nation in 3-point attempts get to the free throw line 530 times?  I'm not even talking about the fact that Iowa State players might not foul as much (especially when the officials don't call blatant fouls on them).  I'm talking free throw attempts.  The numbers are mind boggling.  Hoiberg's wife must be sucking off the officials before every home game. 

[kso_FAN]

Royce White draws a lot of fouls.

[Dugout DickStone]

we've been on the "good" side of the home cooking this season too, we're just too stupid to take advantage of it.  the refs handed us the game against baylor and we proceeded to hand it to scott drew's face.

Not to mention we beat the crap out of the ISU players in the 1st half and got away with alot of it

Then we should in the second half.  It should not shift.

[bigwillie20]

we've been on the "good" side of the home cooking this season too, we're just too stupid to take advantage of it.  the refs handed us the game against baylor and we proceeded to hand it to scott drew's face.

Not to mention we beat the crap out of the ISU players in the 1st half and got away with alot of it

Then we should in the second half.  It should not shift.

Agree.  Lack of consistency pisses me off alot more than the horseshittiness of the calls

[OregonSmock]

Royce White draws a lot of fouls.

So one player is responsible for 530 free throw attempts?  Brilliant analysis. 

[AbeFroman]

I'm just now melting down over the loss on Saturday.  Iowa State is 10th in the country in 3-point attempts, yet look at their free throw disparity compared to their opponents:

ISU: 530-325 (+205)


For comparison, here are the rest of the teams in the league:


MU: 488-321 (+167)
KSU: 554-483 (+71)
BU: 453-382 (+71)
KU: 466-403 (+63)
OU: 392-362 (+30)
OSU: 470-486 (-16)
aTm: 324-412 (-88)
TT: 441-548 (-107)


How the hell does a team that is 10th in the nation in 3-point attempts get to the free throw line 530 times?  I'm not even talking about the fact that Iowa State players might not foul as much (especially when the officials don't call blatant fouls on them).  I'm talking free throw attempts.  The numbers are mind boggling.  Hoiberg's wife must be sucking off the officials before every home game. 

 

I agree.

  x2

[Cire]

what are their home/road numbers like?

[kso_FAN]

Royce White draws a lot of fouls.

So one player is responsible for 530 free throw attempts?  Brilliant analysis. 

He is really good at drawing fouls, one of the best in the country, and he's attempted more FTs in conference play than anyone. Allen, Ejim, and Kristopherson, and Palo are also decent. When you have one guy that is that good at it, others generally follow.

[OregonSmock]

what are their home/road numbers like?

+168 at home.

+37 on the road.

[kso_FAN]

A lot of it is Hoiberg's teams just don't foul much. They didn't last year either. Its how they play defense.

[OregonSmock]

Royce White draws a lot of fouls.

So one player is responsible for 530 free throw attempts?  Brilliant analysis. 

He is really good at drawing fouls, one of the best in the country, and he's attempted more FTs in conference play than anyone. Allen, Ejim, and Kristopherson, and Palo are also decent. When you have one guy that is that good at it, others generally follow.

[pissclams]

A lot of it is Hoiberg's teams just don't foul much. They didn't last year either. Its how they play defense.

they don't really play much defense.  that's another thing that's frustrating about last night.

[kougar24]

A lot of it is Hoiberg's teams just don't foul much. They didn't last year either. Its how they play defense.

they don't really play much defense.  that's another thing that's frustrating about last night.

Yeah. Our true frosh out-of-control PG gets one uncontested layup after another, and McGruder can't solve the mystery of the ISU Olé D for whatever reason.

Meanwhile, there is an invisible barrier 15 ft from the hoop that is to Will Spradling as a condom is to sperm. Slash to the hoop two dribbles RETREAT! RETREAT! RETREAT! Swing pass! Breeeeeaaathe...

[SdK]

A lot of it is Hoiberg's teams just don't foul much. They didn't last year either. Its how they play defense.

they don't really play much defense.  that's another thing that's frustrating about last night.

Yeah. Our true frosh out-of-control PG gets one uncontested layup after another, and McGruder can't solve the mystery of the ISU Olé D for whatever reason.

Meanwhile, there is an invisible barrier 15 ft from the hoop that is to Will Spradling as a condom is to sperm. Slash to the hoop two dribbles RETREAT! RETREAT! RETREAT!

I had an idea, though lacked the necessary stopwatch last night, of keeping track of how much time of possession is wasted by Will doing this. Perhaps next game.