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[MakeItRain]

95.5, keyed by an eFG% of only 39.7.

I have confidence he will improve because he was solid last year in Big 12 play, granted in a different role. In conference games only he had an OffRating of 116.4 and eFG% of 50.6. That was at 54% minutes, this year he's at 79.1% minutes played.

_fan s right, mir is wrong.  doc is fine other than not being able to shoot the cover off the ball, which he has shown he can do at other times.


his role will obviously decrease if mcgruder is going to continue to dominate the ball.  there's only one ball.

I don't think FAN is disagreeing with me.  Is anyone debating that Will has been horrible since conference play has started?  He isn't taking less shots since Rodney has "emerged," as a matter of fact I'm pretty sure he's taking more.  He is shooting worse, turning the ball over more, assisting less, and fouling more.  He is literally doing everything worse than ever in this 6 game stretch.  His performance isn't just about shooting, that's insulting.  I'm not saying he won't get better, he can't get worse, but man it is frustrating to see how all around bad he's been.

You guys seem to be under the impression that I think this is a permanent condition for Will, I don't.  I'm not going to ascribe to the "he's okay" talking point.  His defense has been pretty damn good in our wins, garbage in our losses.  You cannot have a guy that has the role that Will has with his number of minutes playing as poorly as he has for much longer to have prolonged success.

[sys]

I don't think FAN is disagreeing with me.  Is anyone debating that Will has been horrible since conference play has started?  He isn't taking less shots since Rodney has "emerged," as a matter of fact I'm pretty sure he's taking more.  He is shooting worse, turning the ball over more, assisting less, and fouling more.  He is literally doing everything worse than ever in this 6 game stretch.  His performance isn't just about shooting, that's insulting.  I'm not saying he won't get better, he can't get worse, but man it is frustrating to see how all around bad he's been.

you're wrong.  look at their stats.  mcgruder is up to 27.1 %shots, spradling is down to 18.5.  i don't recall their numbers going into the conference, but they were in the range of 23-24 and 20-21.

and also, yeah, it's mostly his shooting.  he's turning it over too much (as are they all, except mcgruder), but if he was shooting 50% efg, this thread doesn't swerve into spradling discusso.

[Stevesie60]

It doesn't get any better than sys and clams back-n-forths.

It really doesn't. Mr. snakes? Lol. Amazing.

[gatoveintisiete]

Will is playing out of position because he is the most reliable point we have, but he is in over his head in conference.  When Angel is ready to take over we will be alot better.  Kinda wish Frank would have just gave the reigns to Angel from game one, we would have struggled a little more early, but might be better off at this point in the season.

[kougar24]

I don't think FAN is disagreeing with me.  Is anyone debating that Will has been horrible since conference play has started?  He isn't taking less shots since Rodney has "emerged," as a matter of fact I'm pretty sure he's taking more.  He is shooting worse, turning the ball over more, assisting less, and fouling more.  He is literally doing everything worse than ever in this 6 game stretch.  His performance isn't just about shooting, that's insulting.  I'm not saying he won't get better, he can't get worse, but man it is frustrating to see how all around bad he's been.

you're wrong.  look at their stats.  mcgruder is up to 27.1 %shots, spradling is down to 18.5.  i don't recall their numbers going into the conference, but they were in the range of 23-24 and 20-21.

and also, yeah, it's mostly his shooting.  he's turning it over too much (as are they all, except mcgruder), but if he was shooting 50% efg, this thread doesn't swerve into spradling discusso.

On the season (shot %):
Sprads: 18.4
McG: 26.9

Conf. only:
Sprads: 18.0
McG: 30.8

Conclusion: sys is right, MiR is wrong. As McG's shot% has increased significantly in conference play, Sprads' has gone down (albeit slightly).

[sys]

On the season (shot %):
Sprads: 18.4
McG: 26.9

Conf. only:
Sprads: 18.0
McG: 30.8

Conclusion: sys is right, MiR is wrong. As McG's shot% has increased significantly in conference play, Sprads' has gone down (albeit slightly).

good numbers, kougs.

i'd say we were both wrong though.  spradling is basically the same, mcgruder way up.  i wonder where whose shots are dropping with mcgruder's increased usage?

[kougar24]

On the season (shot %):
Sprads: 18.4
McG: 26.9

Conf. only:
Sprads: 18.0
McG: 30.8

Conclusion: sys is right, MiR is wrong. As McG's shot% has increased significantly in conference play, Sprads' has gone down (albeit slightly).

good numbers, kougs.

i'd say we were both wrong though.  spradling is basically the same, mcgruder way up.  i wonder where whose shots are dropping with mcgruder's increased usage?

Well, Sprads' is down, even though slightly. Remember: his 18.0% in 6 conference games would have lowered his overall % to 18.4, meaning his non-con % excluding conf. games would be above 18.4. So it's a bigger difference than just 0.4%. Likewise, McG's difference between conf. and non-con is bigger than 3.9%.

Anyway, looks like Shane the Goat's % is trending downward recently. 'Tay's is pretty sporadic, hard to tell with him.

[michigancat]

Gipson's are way down.  He is 24.0% for the year and 19.9 in conference. Martavious is 15.6 overall and 13.9 in conference.

Those are the big ones.

[kougar24]

Gipson's are way down.  He is 24.0% for the year and 19.9 in conference. Martavious is 15.6 overall and 13.9 in conference.

Those are the big ones.

Gip's shots were partially absorbed by JO (17.8 overall, 19.3 in conf.) and Samuels to a small degree (19.6 to 20.2).

Good catch on 'Tay, who is joined by Shanegoat (12.7 to 11.3).

[kso_FAN]

To be fair and make a good comparison I think you've got to look at Shot % and Min % side by side.

[kougar24]

Couldn't resist the urge to go full nerd on this one; I'll say it's in honor of _FAN.

[michigancat]

how did you get the non-con shot%?

[sys]

man, oh man.  nino.   


that presentation is fantastic, kougar.

[kougar24]

how did you get the non-con shot%?

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([non-con games played] * x) + ([conf. games played] * [conf. shot %]) = [total games played] * [overall shot %]

where x = non-con shot %

probably wrong, but the numbers looked appropriate  

[mcmwcat]

NINO!

[kougar24]

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([non-con games played] * x) + ([conf. games played] * [conf. shot %]) = [total games played] * [overall shot %]

where x = non-con shot %

need _FAN to validate.

[felix rex]

Jones is all "mo minutes, mo buckets".

[kougar24]

I wonder how much Angel's non-con % was jacked up by the Hawaii burst.

[kso_FAN]

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([non-con games played] * x) + ([conf. games played] * [conf. shot %]) = [total games played] * [overall shot %]

where x = non-con shot %

need _FAN to validate.

Seems like it would be right to me.

[kougar24]

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([non-con games played] * x) + ([conf. games played] * [conf. shot %]) = [total games played] * [overall shot %]

where x = non-con shot %

need _FAN to validate.

Seems like it would be right to me.

Huzzah! All that work was pretty pointless though, as it only reaffirmed what was said above that post in terms of where McG's shots are coming from.

[kso_FAN]

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([non-con games played] * x) + ([conf. games played] * [conf. shot %]) = [total games played] * [overall shot %]

where x = non-con shot %

need _FAN to validate.

Seems like it would be right to me.

Huzzah! All that work was pretty pointless though, as it only reaffirmed what was said above that post in terms of where McG's shots are coming from.

Yes. By the way, nice work. And just because a person likes excel/numbers/stats it doesn't make them a nerd. 

[kougar24]

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([non-con games played] * x) + ([conf. games played] * [conf. shot %]) = [total games played] * [overall shot %]

where x = non-con shot %

need _FAN to validate.

Seems like it would be right to me.

Huzzah! All that work was pretty pointless though, as it only reaffirmed what was said above that post in terms of where McG's shots are coming from.

Yes. By the way, nice work. And just because a person likes excel/numbers/stats it doesn't make them a nerd. 

oh yes it does

[MakeItRain]

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([non-con games played] * x) + ([conf. games played] * [conf. shot %]) = [total games played] * [overall shot %]

where x = non-con shot %

need _FAN to validate.

Seems like it would be right to me.

Huzzah! All that work was pretty pointless though, as it only reaffirmed what was said above that post in terms of where McG's shots are coming from.

Yes. By the way, nice work. And just because a person likes excel/numbers/stats it doesn't make them a nerd. 

False

[felix rex]

I am not a fan of stats, so just keep waving that big brush around.