Obama sez No to Keystone

[LickNeckey]

 

"Pipeline shipping costs remain lower than rail, and a lack of readily available tanker cars may create a bottleneck.  The availability of tank cars may create a temporary "hiccup" in transport capacity, according to Tony Hatch, an independent railroad analyst in New York. Rail cars are "a pretty hot commodity," as a result of demand from oil producers in North Dakota, he said"

"Canadian Pacific Railway Ltd.'s shipments from North Dakota climbed to more than 13,000 carloads last year from about 500 in 2009, Ed Greenberg, a spokesman, said in an e-mail. The Calgary- based company has a similar plan in western Canada."

"During 2011, rail capacity in the region tripled to almost 300,000 barrels a day as higher production exceeded what pipelines handle, according to the State Department report on Keystone XL."

 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

"Pipeline shipping costs remain lower than rail, and a lack of readily available tanker cars may create a bottleneck.  The availability of tank cars may create a temporary "hiccup" in transport capacity, according to Tony Hatch, an independent railroad analyst in New York. Rail cars are "a pretty hot commodity," as a result of demand from oil producers in North Dakota, he said"

"Canadian Pacific Railway Ltd.'s shipments from North Dakota climbed to more than 13,000 carloads last year from about 500 in 2009, Ed Greenberg, a spokesman, said in an e-mail. The Calgary- based company has a similar plan in western Canada."

"During 2011, rail capacity in the region tripled to almost 300,000 barrels a day as higher production exceeded what pipelines handle, according to the State Department report on Keystone XL."

 

Yo LickNeckey, this just means we need a higher capacity pipeline.  Hauling by train is much less efficient and blows shitloads of lethal carbon dioxide into the air, which we all know is a killer of liberals around the world.

[LickNeckey]

fair but also seems to create/sustain more jobs.  no???

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

You can only build so many oil tanker cars.

Pipeline will open up more oil exploration, more jobs, less foreign oil via tankers, and more time to find economically viable renewable alternatives. The fact remains that solar and wind is not ready for mass generation, and we are wasting a lot of time and money pushing it before it's time. We may end up skipping right over both to something more viable.

[michigancat]

less foreign oil via tankers

Ha

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

less foreign oil via tankers

Ha

People hate spills in the ocean.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

"Pipeline shipping costs remain lower than rail, and a lack of readily available tanker cars may create a bottleneck.  The availability of tank cars may create a temporary "hiccup" in transport capacity, according to Tony Hatch, an independent railroad analyst in New York. Rail cars are "a pretty hot commodity," as a result of demand from oil producers in North Dakota, he said"

"Canadian Pacific Railway Ltd.'s shipments from North Dakota climbed to more than 13,000 carloads last year from about 500 in 2009, Ed Greenberg, a spokesman, said in an e-mail. The Calgary- based company has a similar plan in western Canada."

"During 2011, rail capacity in the region tripled to almost 300,000 barrels a day as higher production exceeded what pipelines handle, according to the State Department report on Keystone XL."

 

You understand that oil comes from places other than North Dakota right?  You understand that the oil industry is creating the jobs, not the government, right?  You understand that the only thing killing the pipeline does is cause oil prices to stay higher, right?  That there is enough demand to redeploy oil tanker cars all over the country, right?

Why on earth is this so confusing to you guys?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I'm pretty sure all poor people take public transit so they don't really care about oil prices.

You're pretty sure?   

What a rough ridin' idiot

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Keystone to be linked to U.S. highway bill: Boehner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican lawmakers will try to force the Obama administration to approve the Canada-to-Texas Keystone XL pipeline by attaching it to a highway bill that Congress will consider next month, House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner said on Sunday.

President Barack Obama earlier this month denied TransCanada's application for the oil sands pipeline, citing lack of time to review an alternative route within a 60-day window for action set by Congress.

Republicans have since been looking for a vehicle to resurrect the $7 billion project, and Boehner said that would be a House Republican energy and highway bill.

"If (Keystone) is not enacted before we take up the American Energy and Infrastructure Jobs Act, it will be part of it," Boehner said on ABC's "This Week" news program.

Environmentalists and some Democrats oppose Keystone, citing higher greenhouse gas emissions, while most Republicans say it would create needed jobs.

Republicans in the Senate also plan to introduce a Keystone bill. Some Senate Democrats back the pipeline, but its passage is not guaranteed in the body.

Parts of the House Republican plan, such as opening up the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration, stand little chance of passing the Democratic-controlled U.S. Senate.

Attaching Keystone to a pending deal to extend payroll tax cuts for workers, which has greater bipartisan backing than the highway bills, is another vehicle Republicans are considering.

(Reporting By Kim Dixon; Editing by Paul Simao)

[Rage Against the McKee]

Keystone to be linked to U.S. highway bill: Boehner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican lawmakers will try to force the Obama administration to approve the Canada-to-Texas Keystone XL pipeline by attaching it to a highway bill that Congress will consider next month, House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner said on Sunday.

President Barack Obama earlier this month denied TransCanada's application for the oil sands pipeline, citing lack of time to review an alternative route within a 60-day window for action set by Congress.

Republicans have since been looking for a vehicle to resurrect the $7 billion project, and Boehner said that would be a House Republican energy and highway bill.

"If (Keystone) is not enacted before we take up the American Energy and Infrastructure Jobs Act, it will be part of it," Boehner said on ABC's "This Week" news program.

Environmentalists and some Democrats oppose Keystone, citing higher greenhouse gas emissions, while most Republicans say it would create needed jobs.

Republicans in the Senate also plan to introduce a Keystone bill. Some Senate Democrats back the pipeline, but its passage is not guaranteed in the body.

Parts of the House Republican plan, such as opening up the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration, stand little chance of passing the Democratic-controlled U.S. Senate.

Attaching Keystone to a pending deal to extend payroll tax cuts for workers, which has greater bipartisan backing than the highway bills, is another vehicle Republicans are considering.

(Reporting By Kim Dixon; Editing by Paul Simao)

It's nice to see the republicans putting politics in the way of job creation, I guess.

[06wildcat]

I'll just leave this here:

pdf warning

http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallaborinstitute/research/upload/GLI_KeystoneXL_Reportpdf.pdf

KXL will divert Tar Sands oil now supplying Midwest refineries, so it can be sold at higher prices to the Gulf Coast and export markets. As a result, consumers in the
Midwest could be paying 10 to 20 cents more per gallon for gasoline and diesel fuel. These additional costs (estimated to total $2–4 billion) will suppress other
spending and will therefore cost jobs.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Keystone to be linked to U.S. highway bill: Boehner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican lawmakers will try to force the Obama administration to approve the Canada-to-Texas Keystone XL pipeline by attaching it to a highway bill that Congress will consider next month, House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner said on Sunday.

President Barack Obama earlier this month denied TransCanada's application for the oil sands pipeline, citing lack of time to review an alternative route within a 60-day window for action set by Congress.

Republicans have since been looking for a vehicle to resurrect the $7 billion project, and Boehner said that would be a House Republican energy and highway bill.

"If (Keystone) is not enacted before we take up the American Energy and Infrastructure Jobs Act, it will be part of it," Boehner said on ABC's "This Week" news program.

Environmentalists and some Democrats oppose Keystone, citing higher greenhouse gas emissions, while most Republicans say it would create needed jobs.

Republicans in the Senate also plan to introduce a Keystone bill. Some Senate Democrats back the pipeline, but its passage is not guaranteed in the body.

Parts of the House Republican plan, such as opening up the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration, stand little chance of passing the Democratic-controlled U.S. Senate.

Attaching Keystone to a pending deal to extend payroll tax cuts for workers, which has greater bipartisan backing than the highway bills, is another vehicle Republicans are considering.

(Reporting By Kim Dixon; Editing by Paul Simao)

It's nice to see the republicans putting politics in the way of job creation, I guess.

LOL

[Rage Against the McKee]

Keystone to be linked to U.S. highway bill: Boehner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican lawmakers will try to force the Obama administration to approve the Canada-to-Texas Keystone XL pipeline by attaching it to a highway bill that Congress will consider next month, House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner said on Sunday.

President Barack Obama earlier this month denied TransCanada's application for the oil sands pipeline, citing lack of time to review an alternative route within a 60-day window for action set by Congress.

Republicans have since been looking for a vehicle to resurrect the $7 billion project, and Boehner said that would be a House Republican energy and highway bill.

"If (Keystone) is not enacted before we take up the American Energy and Infrastructure Jobs Act, it will be part of it," Boehner said on ABC's "This Week" news program.

Environmentalists and some Democrats oppose Keystone, citing higher greenhouse gas emissions, while most Republicans say it would create needed jobs.

Republicans in the Senate also plan to introduce a Keystone bill. Some Senate Democrats back the pipeline, but its passage is not guaranteed in the body.

Parts of the House Republican plan, such as opening up the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration, stand little chance of passing the Democratic-controlled U.S. Senate.

Attaching Keystone to a pending deal to extend payroll tax cuts for workers, which has greater bipartisan backing than the highway bills, is another vehicle Republicans are considering.

(Reporting By Kim Dixon; Editing by Paul Simao)

It's nice to see the republicans putting politics in the way of job creation, I guess.

LOL

It's not really that funny.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Keystone to be linked to U.S. highway bill: Boehner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican lawmakers will try to force the Obama administration to approve the Canada-to-Texas Keystone XL pipeline by attaching it to a highway bill that Congress will consider next month, House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner said on Sunday.

President Barack Obama earlier this month denied TransCanada's application for the oil sands pipeline, citing lack of time to review an alternative route within a 60-day window for action set by Congress.

Republicans have since been looking for a vehicle to resurrect the $7 billion project, and Boehner said that would be a House Republican energy and highway bill.

"If (Keystone) is not enacted before we take up the American Energy and Infrastructure Jobs Act, it will be part of it," Boehner said on ABC's "This Week" news program.

Environmentalists and some Democrats oppose Keystone, citing higher greenhouse gas emissions, while most Republicans say it would create needed jobs.

Republicans in the Senate also plan to introduce a Keystone bill. Some Senate Democrats back the pipeline, but its passage is not guaranteed in the body.

Parts of the House Republican plan, such as opening up the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration, stand little chance of passing the Democratic-controlled U.S. Senate.

Attaching Keystone to a pending deal to extend payroll tax cuts for workers, which has greater bipartisan backing than the highway bills, is another vehicle Republicans are considering.

(Reporting By Kim Dixon; Editing by Paul Simao)

It's nice to see the republicans putting politics in the way of job creation, I guess.

LOL

It's not really that funny.

What's funny is that the decision to block it is purely political.  3 days after a little march on Washington by the enviro-nazis, Obama shuts it even though 10 different departments, including the EPA (shocking, really), gave it the green light. The state department, including a statement by Hillary Clinton in 2010, said they were inclined to approve it. It is Obama, and only Obama, that has nixed the pipeline. The excuse being used is, that after 40 months, the State Department needs more time to review a new path through NE, and that would take it past the next election.  Actually, you are right, not that funny.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Keystone to be linked to U.S. highway bill: Boehner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican lawmakers will try to force the Obama administration to approve the Canada-to-Texas Keystone XL pipeline by attaching it to a highway bill that Congress will consider next month, House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner said on Sunday.

President Barack Obama earlier this month denied TransCanada's application for the oil sands pipeline, citing lack of time to review an alternative route within a 60-day window for action set by Congress.

Republicans have since been looking for a vehicle to resurrect the $7 billion project, and Boehner said that would be a House Republican energy and highway bill.

"If (Keystone) is not enacted before we take up the American Energy and Infrastructure Jobs Act, it will be part of it," Boehner said on ABC's "This Week" news program.

Environmentalists and some Democrats oppose Keystone, citing higher greenhouse gas emissions, while most Republicans say it would create needed jobs.

Republicans in the Senate also plan to introduce a Keystone bill. Some Senate Democrats back the pipeline, but its passage is not guaranteed in the body.

Parts of the House Republican plan, such as opening up the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration, stand little chance of passing the Democratic-controlled U.S. Senate.

Attaching Keystone to a pending deal to extend payroll tax cuts for workers, which has greater bipartisan backing than the highway bills, is another vehicle Republicans are considering.

(Reporting By Kim Dixon; Editing by Paul Simao)

It's nice to see the republicans putting politics in the way of job creation, I guess.

LOL

It's not really that funny.

What's funny is that the decision to block it is purely political.  3 days after a little march on Washington by the enviro-nazis, Obama shuts it even though 10 different departments, including the EPA (shocking, really), gave it the green light. The state department, including a statement by Hillary Clinton in 2010, said they were inclined to approve it. It is Obama, and only Obama, that has nixed the pipeline. The excuse being used is, that after 40 months, the State Department needs more time to review a new path through NE, and that would take it past the next election.  Actually, you are right, not that funny.

What's wrong with rerouting the pipeline around an environmentally sensitive area? By all indications I've seen, this project is going to ultimately increase the cost of oil in America and cost us jobs in the long run, anyway.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Keystone to be linked to U.S. highway bill: Boehner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican lawmakers will try to force the Obama administration to approve the Canada-to-Texas Keystone XL pipeline by attaching it to a highway bill that Congress will consider next month, House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner said on Sunday.

President Barack Obama earlier this month denied TransCanada's application for the oil sands pipeline, citing lack of time to review an alternative route within a 60-day window for action set by Congress.

Republicans have since been looking for a vehicle to resurrect the $7 billion project, and Boehner said that would be a House Republican energy and highway bill.

"If (Keystone) is not enacted before we take up the American Energy and Infrastructure Jobs Act, it will be part of it," Boehner said on ABC's "This Week" news program.

Environmentalists and some Democrats oppose Keystone, citing higher greenhouse gas emissions, while most Republicans say it would create needed jobs.

Republicans in the Senate also plan to introduce a Keystone bill. Some Senate Democrats back the pipeline, but its passage is not guaranteed in the body.

Parts of the House Republican plan, such as opening up the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration, stand little chance of passing the Democratic-controlled U.S. Senate.

Attaching Keystone to a pending deal to extend payroll tax cuts for workers, which has greater bipartisan backing than the highway bills, is another vehicle Republicans are considering.

(Reporting By Kim Dixon; Editing by Paul Simao)

It's nice to see the republicans putting politics in the way of job creation, I guess.

LOL

It's not really that funny.

What's funny is that the decision to block it is purely political.  3 days after a little march on Washington by the enviro-nazis, Obama shuts it even though 10 different departments, including the EPA (shocking, really), gave it the green light. The state department, including a statement by Hillary Clinton in 2010, said they were inclined to approve it. It is Obama, and only Obama, that has nixed the pipeline. The excuse being used is, that after 40 months, the State Department needs more time to review a new path through NE, and that would take it past the next election.  Actually, you are right, not that funny.

What's wrong with rerouting the pipeline around an environmentally sensitive area? By all indications I've seen, this project is going to ultimately increase the cost of oil in America and cost us jobs in the long run, anyway.

Pure BS.  The State Department's job estimations only include the construction workforce to lay the pipe, nothing else. This is total manipulation of the numbers.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Keystone to be linked to U.S. highway bill: Boehner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican lawmakers will try to force the Obama administration to approve the Canada-to-Texas Keystone XL pipeline by attaching it to a highway bill that Congress will consider next month, House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner said on Sunday.

President Barack Obama earlier this month denied TransCanada's application for the oil sands pipeline, citing lack of time to review an alternative route within a 60-day window for action set by Congress.

Republicans have since been looking for a vehicle to resurrect the $7 billion project, and Boehner said that would be a House Republican energy and highway bill.

"If (Keystone) is not enacted before we take up the American Energy and Infrastructure Jobs Act, it will be part of it," Boehner said on ABC's "This Week" news program.

Environmentalists and some Democrats oppose Keystone, citing higher greenhouse gas emissions, while most Republicans say it would create needed jobs.

Republicans in the Senate also plan to introduce a Keystone bill. Some Senate Democrats back the pipeline, but its passage is not guaranteed in the body.

Parts of the House Republican plan, such as opening up the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration, stand little chance of passing the Democratic-controlled U.S. Senate.

Attaching Keystone to a pending deal to extend payroll tax cuts for workers, which has greater bipartisan backing than the highway bills, is another vehicle Republicans are considering.

(Reporting By Kim Dixon; Editing by Paul Simao)

It's nice to see the republicans putting politics in the way of job creation, I guess.

LOL

It's not really that funny.

What's funny is that the decision to block it is purely political.  3 days after a little march on Washington by the enviro-nazis, Obama shuts it even though 10 different departments, including the EPA (shocking, really), gave it the green light. The state department, including a statement by Hillary Clinton in 2010, said they were inclined to approve it. It is Obama, and only Obama, that has nixed the pipeline. The excuse being used is, that after 40 months, the State Department needs more time to review a new path through NE, and that would take it past the next election.  Actually, you are right, not that funny.

What's wrong with rerouting the pipeline around an environmentally sensitive area? By all indications I've seen, this project is going to ultimately increase the cost of oil in America and cost us jobs in the long run, anyway.

Pure BS.  The State Department's job estimations only include the construction workforce to lay the pipe, nothing else. This is total manipulation of the numbers.

Who are they leaving out? Most of the steel and other construction materials have already been purchased from India and Canada. Cornell found that this project will add about 50 non-construction jobs. So after a 2 year construction period, we have gained 50 jobs and probably lost more than that from other industries due to a lack of need of manpower to transport the oil as well as rising energy costs due to the creation of a new avenue for Canada to export oil to countries other than the US.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Well it took them longer than usual (a little over a week) but the left is finally getting it's propoganda and outright lies in order regarding the pipeline.  An oil pipeline that necessarily takes thousands of people to build and necessarily lowers the cost of transporting oil reducing it's cost at delivery actually reduces the number of jobs and makes the cost of oil go up.  Intuition and common sense aside, this is still a ridiculous thing to say.

Unbelieveable.  I just can't wait for Gitmo to close so the terrorists will finally stop terrorizing.  Then, when we finally get taxes on the rich up to "their fair share" everyone that isn't rich finally can be rich.  Finally, when we give everyone free healthcare who is too poor or sick to afford it, the cost we finally come down to reasonable levels.  Welcome to the world Tom the Dancing Bug so ironically lives in.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Well it took them longer than usual (a little over a week) but the left is finally getting it's propoganda and outright lies in order regarding the pipeline.  An oil pipeline that necessarily takes thousands of people to build and necessarily lowers the cost of transporting oil reducing it's cost at delivery actually reduces the number of jobs and makes the cost of oil go up.  Intuition and common sense aside, this is still a ridiculous thing to say.

Unbelieveable.  I just can't wait for Gitmo to close so the terrorists will finally stop terrorizing.  Then, when we finally get taxes on the rich up to "their fair share" everyone that isn't rich finally can be rich.  Finally, when we give everyone free healthcare who is too poor or sick to afford it, the cost we finally come down to reasonable levels.  Welcome to the world Tom the Dancing Bug so ironically lives in.

The cost of delivering oil has nothing to do with the value of that oil.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The cost of delivering oil has nothing to do with the value of that oil.

good dear

[OregonSmock]

A spill seems to be a stupid argument given the safety procedures, remote valves, leak detection, and construction of the pipe in general. It seems to be much safer than train, truck or ship. How long would oil need to sit on the surface untouched to leach at least 50' down through the soil?  Liberal fear mongering.

Yeah, that BP oil spill was just a mythical fabrication made up by the left.   Pffffftttttt....

[OregonSmock]

Libtard Green Carl Safina of LibtardHuffPost understands the "Greens" were a driving force behind this.  Why don't you?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-safina/obama-keystone-pipeline_b_1228314.html


Unsurprisingly it's another well-known Nebraskan manipulating his puppet in support of this debacle, not the sand farmers who sold easements to transcanada so it could build its rough ridin' pipe.  One of those newfangled pipes that "needs to be further evaluated" before it can be trusted.  Canada is sending the oil down Gulf of Mexico way, whether by pipe, land, sea, train, truck or pony express.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=49036

Pull your heads out of your ass and use your rough ridin' brains.   Even the most anecdotal understanding of property law, federalism, and washington politics will lead you to the right answer.

The pipeline will be rerouted around the sand hills. It's still going to go through Nebraska. How many jobs were created at BNSF because Obama rejected the pipeline?

None.  Believe it or not they didn't stop pumping oil FOUR rough ridin' YEARS AGO when they applied for the rough ridin' pipe, they kept pumping it and sending it freight.  They want the pipe so they can send it faster and cheaper and with a lesser risk of spilling it. GASP, when oil companies spill oil they can't sell it.

THIS IS INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING SO ITS IMPORTANT AND SHOVEL READY AND STUFF AND MAKES GAS CHEAPER FOR THE POOR AND PUTS THEM TO WORK SO THEY HAVE MONEY TO SPEND.

The libs on this board are disgusting slobs of stupidity.

So angry.  So full of hate.  Seek therapy.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

A spill seems to be a stupid argument given the safety procedures, remote valves, leak detection, and construction of the pipe in general. It seems to be much safer than train, truck or ship. How long would oil need to sit on the surface untouched to leach at least 50' down through the soil?  Liberal fear mongering.

Yeah, that BP oil spill was just a mythical fabrication made up by the left.   Pffffftttttt....

  

[Rage Against the McKee]

A spill seems to be a stupid argument given the safety procedures, remote valves, leak detection, and construction of the pipe in general. It seems to be much safer than train, truck or ship. How long would oil need to sit on the surface untouched to leach at least 50' down through the soil?  Liberal fear mongering.

Yeah, that BP oil spill was just a mythical fabrication made up by the left.   Pffffftttttt....

  

You do realize that some oil would leach into the water supply just by being in contact with the surface, right? It's not a matter of "how long oil is on the surface". It's a sandy soil. It's capable of soaking up oil at a pretty fast rate. The 50' depth to water is completely irrelevant. Once the oil is below the surface, it will make its way to the aquifer.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

A spill seems to be a stupid argument given the safety procedures, remote valves, leak detection, and construction of the pipe in general. It seems to be much safer than train, truck or ship. How long would oil need to sit on the surface untouched to leach at least 50' down through the soil?  Liberal fear mongering.

Yeah, that BP oil spill was just a mythical fabrication made up by the left.   Pffffftttttt....

   

You do realize that some oil would leach into the water supply just by being in contact with the surface, right? It's not a matter of "how long oil is on the surface". It's a sandy soil. It's capable of soaking up oil at a pretty fast rate. The 50' depth to water is completely irrelevant. Once the oil is below the surface, it will make its way to the aquifer.

You remove the contaminated soil within a few days.  They already do this, not rocket science. Also, the aquifer is much deeper in most areas, like hundreds of feet.  I used 50 ft because that was the shallowest point.  A train wreck is likely to spill more oil than a pipeline leak.