unbelievable

[Skipper44]

The BIOQ must be factored in, it is 100% Frank's fault he has only one scholarship senior.  Would Canada of helped yesterday? No.  Would I of liked 95 yesterday?  Of course

[sys]

you know Rosario wouldn't suck for Frank. You know it in your heart.

i don't.  i'm a frankite, but i don't think he's a magician.  i don't think he's better than donovan.  and he's had players that didn't play particularly well for him, including guys with some talent.

[catzacker]

Frank's recruiting has been average, relative to the other members in the league.  

he's finished in the top 4 of a 12 team league 4 out of 4 times.

Just think what he could do if he could recruit.  Would love to see it.

...also, he has basically won the same amount of games in conf regardless of his talent or other teams' talent.  Don't know what that means.

[michigancat]

you know Rosario wouldn't suck for Frank. You know it in your heart.

i don't.  i'm a frankite, but i don't think he's a magician.  i don't think he's better than donovan.  and he's had players that didn't play particularly well for him, including guys with some talent.

rosario would get more minutes here

[sys]

...also, he has basically won the same amount of games in conf regardless of his talent or other teams' talent.  Don't know what that means.

i think it means you don't know how to evaluate talent.

[sys]

rosario would get more minutes here

yeah, that's fair.  i just looked at his stats, and other than wanting to shoot more than all of his more talented teammates, he's been pretty decent.  or at least has put up decent stats.

[catzacker]

...also, he has basically won the same amount of games in conf regardless of his talent or other teams' talent.  Don't know what that means.

i think it means you don't know how to evaluate talent.

Me or Rivals, Scout?

[sys]

...also, he has basically won the same amount of games in conf regardless of his talent or other teams' talent.  Don't know what that means.

i think it means you don't know how to evaluate talent.

Me or Rivals, Scout?

you, based on just on the fact that i don't think martin has done anything with smoke and mirrors.  he's won because he's had good players.

rivals and scout - yeah, absolutely.  it's always important to keep in mind that they provide rankings, not ratings, that even they can't really define whether their rankings are based on college or pro potential, that the distribution of player abilities is a bell curve, that human males change a lot physically between ages 17 and 22.  and of course, that they can just make mistakes.

[michigancat]

Just think what he could do if he could recruit.  Would love to see it.

Are saying you think he does a good job with in-season and in-game coaching? Because that's what it sounds like. And now we've come full circle.

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank is fantastic, we actually have a guy with "signed" next to his name on the ESPN 150 website.  Damn, that's hot.

[AppleJack]

you know Rosario wouldn't suck for Frank. You know it in your heart.

i don't.  i'm a frankite, but i don't think he's a magician.  i don't think he's better than donovan.  and he's had players that didn't play particularly well for him, including guys with some talent.

rosario would get more minutes here

Until he made a mistake...

[catzacker]

Just think what he could do if he could recruit.  Would love to see it.

Are saying you think he does a good job with in-season and in-game coaching? Because that's what it sounds like. And now we've come full circle.

No.  He should recruit better and find a different way to prove points, because since he can't recruit better, his proving points/substititions are magnified and cause us to lose games.

I suppose he could just recruit better then he could frank with the line up all he wants.

[kougar24]

Just think what he could do if he could recruit.  Would love to see it.

Are saying you think he does a good job with in-season and in-game coaching? Because that's what it sounds like. And now we've come full circle.

No.  He should recruit better and find a different way to prove points, because since he can't recruit better, his proving points/substititions are magnified and cause us to lose games.

I suppose he could just recruit better then he could frank with the line up all he wants.

So you think Frank is a bad recruiter and X's & O's guy? Damn, we must suck.

[catzacker]

We don't suck, but we could be better.  And expecting better isn't unreasonable.

[kougar24]

We don't suck, but we could be better.  And expecting better isn't unreasonable.

Looks to me like all of us here are expecting better. Except maybe kim carnes.

[ZmoneyKSU]

Just think what he could do if he could recruit.  Would love to see it.

Are saying you think he does a good job with in-season and in-game coaching? Because that's what it sounds like. And now we've come full circle.

No.  He should recruit better and find a different way to prove points, because since he can't recruit better, his proving points/substititions are magnified and cause us to lose games.

I suppose he could just recruit better then he could frank with the line up all he wants.

I am starting to think Frank's system and philosophy doesn't lend itself to landing big time recruits. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Just think what he could do if he could recruit.  Would love to see it.

Are saying you think he does a good job with in-season and in-game coaching? Because that's what it sounds like. And now we've come full circle.

was just going to ask how many times this thread has come full circle?  apparently at least once.  It's also diverted direction several times (i.e. recruiting)

Summary: 
1. Everyone wishes, that by his fifth year, Frank's teams would NOT still be playing games like they did @OU
2. Almost no one should be surprised at the @OU game
3. K-State will probably be at its best come February and March (this is because Frank recruits above average, but not elite, players and is a good coach, not because of these BIOQ moments)

I'd like to remind everyone:  This was supposed to be a "rebuilding" season.

[WillieWatanabe]

[michigancat]

Just think what he could do if he could recruit.  Would love to see it.

Are saying you think he does a good job with in-season and in-game coaching? Because that's what it sounds like. And now we've come full circle.

No.  He should recruit better and find a different way to prove points, because since he can't recruit better, his proving points/substititions are magnified and cause us to lose games.

I suppose he could just recruit better then he could frank with the line up all he wants.

I am starting to think Frank's system and philosophy doesn't lend itself to landing big time recruits. 

That doesn't make any sense at all.

[Fuktard]

Just think what he could do if he could recruit.  Would love to see it.

Are saying you think he does a good job with in-season and in-game coaching? Because that's what it sounds like. And now we've come full circle.

was just going to ask how many times this thread has come full circle?  apparently at least once.  It's also diverted direction several times (i.e. recruiting)

Summary: 
1. Everyone wishes, that by his fifth year, Frank's teams would NOT still be playing games like they did @OU
2. Almost no one should be surprised at the @OU game
3. K-State will probably be at its best come February and March (this is because Frank recruits above average, but not elite, players and is a good coach, not because of these BIOQ moments)

I'd like to remind everyone:  This was supposed to be a "rebuilding" season.

Most people also clearly didn't check the ticker yesterday...Mich, Mich St and UNC all got beat by worse teams on the road in conference play...all were ranked and heavily favored.  Conference road loses happen, it's not time to melt down.  i would have preferred we put together a little winning streak before giving up the road loss, but as said early, if this makes us better, I'm all for it.

[gatoveintisiete]

Just think what he could do if he could recruit.  Would love to see it.

Are saying you think he does a good job with in-season and in-game coaching? Because that's what it sounds like. And now we've come full circle.

No.  He should recruit better and find a different way to prove points, because since he can't recruit better, his proving points/substititions are magnified and cause us to lose games.

I suppose he could just recruit better then he could frank with the line up all he wants.

I am starting to think Frank's system and philosophy doesn't lend itself to landing big time recruits. 

That doesn't make any sense at all.

What? that kids don't want to play defense, and look at his sets as a bogged down mess.

[kslim]

never thought it could get this bad

[sys]

What? that kids don't want to play defense, and look at his sets as a bogged down mess.

man oh, man.  if i had a dime for every top 150 recruit that has told me kstate's sets look like a bogged down mess.

[ednksu]

Just think what he could do if he could recruit.  Would love to see it.

Are saying you think he does a good job with in-season and in-game coaching? Because that's what it sounds like. And now we've come full circle.

No.  He should recruit better and find a different way to prove points, because since he can't recruit better, his proving points/substititions are magnified and cause us to lose games.

I suppose he could just recruit better then he could frank with the line up all he wants.

I am starting to think Frank's system and philosophy doesn't lend itself to landing big time recruits. 

That doesn't make any sense at all.

Best Frank player unquestionably, but arguably not an elite recruit


what 5*s have worked?

[MakeItRain]

If you want to criticize Frank's recruiting, I think you would be acting perfectly reasonable.

i don't.  martin is recruiting very well for kstate.  drew recruiting even better for baylor doesn't alter that.  it's the same point as the road record of final four teams thing.

Is he recruiting very well relative to the league? I'm not completely unhappy with it, but criticism of his recruiting/roster management over the years is a lot more valid than his substitution patterns or zone defense possessions. Just landing one of Maymon, Fontan, or Rosario instead of Omari would have made a HUGE difference.

don't know if you've noticed, but fontan and rosario suck.

Compared to Omari? Fontan is hurt. And you know Rosario wouldn't suck for Frank. You know it in your heart.

I really like Rosario, but he couldn't play for Mike Rice, Frank is out of the question.