proposal to change :opcat: to :gingrich:

[LickNeckey]

Historically there have been large numbers of Palestinian Jews however many no longer identify as such.

Also for those interrested "how to cure a fanatic" by Amos Ozis an illuminating essay on the topic.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

[Talk to Israel they don't have full citizenship rights so they sure as hell aren't Israeli.

Wow, pretty impressive how Arabs snuck into the Knesset without full citizenship. I do know there are Arabs who have refused full Israeli citizenship. Is that who you are referring to?

If Israelis had a right to a state, then why don't Palestinians?

Exactly the backwards argument I'm talking about. "Israelis" didn't have a right to a state - they didn't even exist until Israel was carved out of a British territory.

Hamas is on record as supporting a two-state solution.

Yeah, that lasted for about 5 days until Hamas went back "on the record" and denounced it. I think they meant to say they support two states of Hamas and Fatah. Every last man, woman, and child of the Jew vermin must be driven into the sea, etc. etc.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

We should just make a deal with Mexico to give part of Baja to the Jews and get them away from the Muslims.  I think the Jews could develop an awesome tourist resort area on the Pacific. Let the Arabs sink back into the 10th century and be happy.

[DQ12]

[Talk to Israel they don't have full citizenship rights so they sure as hell aren't Israeli.

Wow, pretty impressive how Arabs snuck into the Knesset without full citizenship. I do know there are Arabs who have refused full Israeli citizenship. Is that who you are referring to?

If Israelis had a right to a state, then why don't Palestinians?

Exactly the backwards argument I'm talking about. "Israelis" didn't have a right to a state - they didn't even exist until Israel was carved out of a British territory.

Hamas is on record as supporting a two-state solution.

Yeah, that lasted for about 5 days until Hamas went back "on the record" and denounced it. I think they meant to say they support two states of Hamas and Fatah. Every last man, woman, and child of the Jew vermin must be driven into the sea, etc. etc.

Interesting.  Would you mind expanding on this a little?

[LickNeckey]

There was nothing that established a "right" for Israel to exist.  The zionist movement prior to WWII, coupled with the influx of Jewish refugees into British controlled Palestine created a lot of pressure on the British to create Israel.  Britain turned the territory over to the U.N. which caved to the pressure and created a two state solution creating a Palestinian territory and a Jewish territory.  Fighting breaks out immediately following the decree and the lines established by the U.N. have been reshaped by the ensuing violence.

The U.N. decree establishes the "right" for both nations to exist.