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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #50 on: November 28, 2011, 09:56:44 AM »
Hey dumbasses, stop worrying! I sent some of gma fannings homemade bread over to the sugar bowl reps, this crap is locked up! Thank me later at MOAP 2.5!  :gocho:

Rumblings that MichiganisGood logged into your ups account and changed your card to reflect the bread came from him.  We're mumped.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #51 on: November 28, 2011, 10:01:23 AM »
Hey dumbasses, stop worrying! I sent some of gma fannings homemade bread over to the sugar bowl reps, this crap is locked up! Thank me later at MOAP 2.5!  :gocho:

Rumblings that MichiganisGood logged into your ups account and changed your card to reflect the bread came from him.  We're mumped.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #52 on: November 28, 2011, 10:20:07 AM »
Hey guys, stop worrying about the top 14 and it expanding to the top 18 to let Michigan in.  That is for the at-large pool only and you guys are forgetting that the Big East champ is already taking 1 of those 10 spot.  They won't have to expand outside of the top 14 because they only need 9 eligible teams in the top 14 to fill out the 5 bowls.  If you cross off 3 SEC teams and 1 Big12 team, that still leaves 10 teams with 1 to spare (Boise).



I'm not worried about the Top 18 stuff after reading this thread last night and some other stuff this morning.

I am concerned about Michigan getting into the Top 14.

I'm running a bunch of different scenario analysis of what has to happen for Michigan to get into the top 14 and for them to get left out of the top 14 (including getting jumped by Baylor) with respect to movement in all 3 polls for a final project for a class, will post wednesdayish...but prelim work is showing its not very good for KSU.
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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #53 on: November 28, 2011, 10:35:05 AM »
Hey guys, stop worrying about the top 14 and it expanding to the top 18 to let Michigan in.  That is for the at-large pool only and you guys are forgetting that the Big East champ is already taking 1 of those 10 spot.  They won't have to expand outside of the top 14 because they only need 9 eligible teams in the top 14 to fill out the 5 bowls.  If you cross off 3 SEC teams and 1 Big12 team, that still leaves 10 teams with 1 to spare (Boise).



I'm not worried about the Top 18 stuff after reading this thread last night and some other stuff this morning.

I am concerned about Michigan getting into the Top 14.

I'm running a bunch of different scenario analysis of what has to happen for Michigan to get into the top 14 and for them to get left out of the top 14 (including getting jumped by Baylor) with respect to movement in all 3 polls for a final project for a class, will post wednesdayish...but prelim work is showing its not very good for KSU.

Is it too late to change your class project to odds of us beating ISU and OU beating OSU?  I'd be interested in that.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #54 on: November 28, 2011, 10:57:58 AM »
So, why does everyone think the Sugar Bowl will choose us over OSU? :dunno:

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #55 on: November 28, 2011, 10:58:58 AM »
This is all Reggie Bush's fault :curse:

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #56 on: November 28, 2011, 11:09:44 AM »
Hey guys, stop worrying about the top 14 and it expanding to the top 18 to let Michigan in.  That is for the at-large pool only and you guys are forgetting that the Big East champ is already taking 1 of those 10 spot.  They won't have to expand outside of the top 14 because they only need 9 eligible teams in the top 14 to fill out the 5 bowls.  If you cross off 3 SEC teams and 1 Big12 team, that still leaves 10 teams with 1 to spare (Boise).



I'm not worried about the Top 18 stuff after reading this thread last night and some other stuff this morning.

I am concerned about Michigan getting into the Top 14.

I'm running a bunch of different scenario analysis of what has to happen for Michigan to get into the top 14 and for them to get left out of the top 14 (including getting jumped by Baylor) with respect to movement in all 3 polls for a final project for a class, will post wednesdayish...but prelim work is showing its not very good for KSU.

Is it too late to change your class project to odds of us beating ISU and OU beating OSU?  I'd be interested in that.

No, project is due Wednesday night.  I could use what is generally considered the best computer model out there, Sagarin's predictor, and find a relationship between the difference in predictor score between the favorite and underdog vs. the outcome of the games played in the last 3 weeks (result will be independent of score, just win vs loss of favorite), then use that as model to find the % chance KSU wins, the % chance OU wins, then the % chance of both of them happening.  If anyone else has a better idea of what computer model to use as the basis of difference in rating vs. the outcome of the game as win/loss of favorite, post it.  If a better idea surfaces I'll use that to do the analysis.  I'll do this analysis tomorrow and tack it onto the end of my other stuff, should garner more bonus (thanks for the idea Trim).
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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #57 on: November 28, 2011, 11:37:23 AM »

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Re: Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #58 on: November 28, 2011, 12:06:22 PM »
Hamburgler, out of curiosity, what class is this for?
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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #59 on: November 28, 2011, 12:10:10 PM »
Hey guys, stop worrying about the top 14 and it expanding to the top 18 to let Michigan in.  That is for the at-large pool only and you guys are forgetting that the Big East champ is already taking 1 of those 10 spot.  They won't have to expand outside of the top 14 because they only need 9 eligible teams in the top 14 to fill out the 5 bowls.  If you cross off 3 SEC teams and 1 Big12 team, that still leaves 10 teams with 1 to spare (Boise).



I'm not worried about the Top 18 stuff after reading this thread last night and some other stuff this morning.

I am concerned about Michigan getting into the Top 14.

I'm running a bunch of different scenario analysis of what has to happen for Michigan to get into the top 14 and for them to get left out of the top 14 (including getting jumped by Baylor) with respect to movement in all 3 polls for a final project for a class, will post wednesdayish...but prelim work is showing its not very good for KSU.

Is it too late to change your class project to odds of us beating ISU and OU beating OSU?  I'd be interested in that.

No, project is due Wednesday night.  I could use what is generally considered the best computer model out there, Sagarin's predictor, and find a relationship between the difference in predictor score between the favorite and underdog vs. the outcome of the games played in the last 3 weeks (result will be independent of score, just win vs loss of favorite), then use that as model to find the % chance KSU wins, the % chance OU wins, then the % chance of both of them happening.  If anyone else has a better idea of what computer model to use as the basis of difference in rating vs. the outcome of the game as win/loss of favorite, post it.  If a better idea surfaces I'll use that to do the analysis.  I'll do this analysis tomorrow and tack it onto the end of my other stuff, should garner more bonus (thanks for the idea Trim).

Just based on eyeball, Andersen and Hester looks like it's more in line with the actual BCS standings than Sagarin.  The Sagarin ratings look like they have a pretty wicked standard deviation.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2011, 12:20:58 PM »
Remember, though, 2/3 of the BCS ranking is based on the votes in the human polls, and typically speaking, human polls are not kind in week 14 to teams that are idle.  Make sure you factor that in there.

The thing that I was looking at is there is little possible room for movement above Michigan in a meaningful way in the Harris and Coaches polls.  Active teams next week outside of six or seven spots ahead of them most likely aren't in a position to lose.  However, there are teams immediately below Michigan with an opportunity to gain traction in the polls due to the potential for big wins over inferior opponents (TCU) or big wins over meaningful teams (Baylor).  The fact that Michigan is sandwiched between teams that will most likely fall into their immediate range (Michigan State/Wisconsin, Georgia), coupled with teams that will most likely rise into their range (TCU, Baylor) means that it will be hard to predict their vote tallies.

KSU was inactive last week, had no immediate movement around them, and just by having a bye week, they lost sixteen votes in the Harris poll and gained ten votes in the coaches poll.  You have to account for that variation.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #61 on: November 28, 2011, 12:25:48 PM »
ksu is inactive this week as well as far as that goes

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2011, 12:33:40 PM »
ksu is inactive this week as well as far as that goes

Yes, but as long as we roadblock a spot in front of Michigan in the Coaches and Harris polls, it's huge for us.

Should Georgia lose this weekend and KSU beats a bowl-eligible ISU, we'll move up to 14.  Depending on who loses between Mich St. and Wisconsin, we could go as high as 13.

However, a lame duck Michigan team is sandwiched between teams that will already be dropping 3-6 spots and teams with a potential for big wins.  Not a good situation to be in.

I can easily see Baylor jumping Michigan in the Harris and Coaches polls if Baylor thumps Texas at home on Senior Day (and RG3's last home game).

Michigan needs some serious help from other teams to get eligible this week.  They're farther out than ESPN's Michigan guy is postulating.

They beat OSU this past week and dropped.  Next week they're inactive with activity all around them.  That's not good for them at all.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #63 on: November 28, 2011, 12:37:44 PM »
ksu is inactive this week as well as far as that goes

Yes, but as long as we roadblock a spot in front of Michigan in the Coaches and Harris polls, it's huge for us.

Should Georgia lose this weekend and KSU beats a bowl-eligible ISU, we'll move up to 14.  Depending on who loses between Mich St. and Wisconsin, we could go as high as 13.

However, a lame duck Michigan team is sandwiched between teams that will already be dropping 3-6 spots and teams with a potential for big wins.  Not a good situation to be in.

I can easily see Baylor jumping Michigan in the Harris and Coaches polls if Baylor thumps Texas at home on Senior Day (and RG3's last home game).

Michigan needs some serious help from other teams to get eligible this week.  They're farther out than ESPN's Michigan guy is postulating.

They beat OSU this past week and dropped.  Next week they're inactive with activity all around them.  That's not good for them at all.

Snyder needs to run up the score. If we could put up 40 on them it could help with human voters quite a bit, especially with their OSU win fresh. Granted, I doubt it happens, but if we have opportunities to score late and are already comfortably in the lead, hopefullly we do.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #64 on: November 28, 2011, 12:41:00 PM »
ksu is inactive this week as well as far as that goes

Yes, but as long as we roadblock a spot in front of Michigan in the Coaches and Harris polls, it's huge for us.

Should Georgia lose this weekend and KSU beats a bowl-eligible ISU, we'll move up to 14.  Depending on who loses between Mich St. and Wisconsin, we could go as high as 13.

However, a lame duck Michigan team is sandwiched between teams that will already be dropping 3-6 spots and teams with a potential for big wins.  Not a good situation to be in.

I can easily see Baylor jumping Michigan in the Harris and Coaches polls if Baylor thumps Texas at home on Senior Day (and RG3's last home game).

Michigan needs some serious help from other teams to get eligible this week.  They're farther out than ESPN's Michigan guy is postulating.

They beat OSU this past week and dropped.  Next week they're inactive with activity all around them.  That's not good for them at all.

Snyder needs to run up the score. If we could put up 40 on them it could help with human voters quite a bit, especially with their OSU win fresh. Granted, I doubt it happens, but if we have opportunities to score late and are already comfortably in the lead, hopefullly we do.

This would be a fantastic week for a 66-14 thumping like we gave to A&M back in '09.

I have no doubt that Snyder is aware of that, too.  I'm betting it's why he was livid after we beat Texas in Austin without style points.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #65 on: November 28, 2011, 12:45:10 PM »
This is all going to come down to how much Georgia drops if they lose to LSU.  I doubt there their computer numbers are going to take much of a hit, so really it comes down to the human voters.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #66 on: November 28, 2011, 12:49:27 PM »
I think Oklahoma winning may actually help K-State in the BCS.  OU would fall below Michigan if they lost, but OSU is likely to stay ahead of them if they lose.  If Baylor and TCU leap Michigan, they will stay at 15.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2011, 12:51:03 PM »
If Houston loses to So. Miss and Michigan fails to make the top 15, I assume we end up playing BSU in the Sugar Bowl?

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2011, 12:52:48 PM »
If Houston loses, they won't qualify, but I think maybe Boise State does. I'm not sure. 

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2011, 12:53:32 PM »
I wish most goEMAW posters had attacked the banana thread with the zeal they're wasting here.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2011, 12:54:06 PM »
I wish most goEMAW posters had attacked the banana thread with the zeal they're wasting here.
i did appreciate the reference to your banana holder.


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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #71 on: November 28, 2011, 12:56:45 PM »
I wish most goEMAW posters had attacked the banana thread with the zeal they're wasting here.
i did appreciate the reference to your banana holder.

It's loaded up with some 'nanas right now that should be just ripe for consumption when I get home.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #72 on: November 28, 2011, 12:58:18 PM »
I think Oklahoma winning may actually help K-State in the BCS.  OU would fall below Michigan if they lost, but OSU is likely to stay ahead of them if they lose.  If Baylor and TCU leap Michigan, they will stay at 15.

Yep.  Wisconsin beating Mich St. probably wouldn't hurt.  It would most likely impact Michigan's computer numbers in a negative way, and it would be difficult for voters to drop Michigan State over six spots in the coaches poll (they currently sit at 9) and past a team they beat head-to-head.  Also, in the Harris Poll, Mich St. sits at 11 and Georgia sits at 12.  A loss to LSU may not drop Georgia past 15 in the Harris, and Mich St. losing to #13 Wisconsin may not be much of a penalty either.

Oklahoma and Wisconsin winning would be good for us in all polls from a BCS standpoint.  We should all be Boomer Sooner on Saturday for BCS reasons, too.

I really can't stress how little positive movement Michigan has the potential for this week.  If their computer numbers dive at all, or stay where they are, they're screwed.  If Baylor has any positive movement in the human polls, they're probably jumping Michigan because of their computer numbers.  They aren't very far behind now as it is.

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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #73 on: November 28, 2011, 01:03:19 PM »
I wish most goEMAW posters had attacked the banana thread with the zeal they're wasting here.
i did appreciate the reference to your banana holder.

It's loaded up with some 'nanas right now that should be just ripe for consumption when I get home.

man that sounds fantastic.  well, i guess I hope that they are extra stringy.  assuming you like stringy fruits since you like bananas.  kudos.


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Re: BCS Odds
« Reply #74 on: November 28, 2011, 01:04:16 PM »
Oklahoma winning would be good for us in all polls from a BCS standpoint.  We should all be Boomer Sooner on Saturday for BCS reasons, too.


Have we already discussed why K-State would be more attractive than OSU to the Sugar Bowl if OSU loses? No way they drop below us. Is it just because they would have lost 2 in a row?