Occupy your neighbors yard

[Stupid Fitz]

Took a trip there this week.  Smaller than I expected but exactly the clusterfrack I expected.  "Down with the Banks", "Support Unions", "Stop Fracking" (not like fracking fracking, the oil kind) "Pay my student loan".  Complete chaos.  The only thing they had organized was that they were all smelly and disgusting and that I am pretty certain no one would ever hire any of them even if they did go to an interview instead of sit in a dirty tent all day.  I got some great pics. 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Took a trip there this week.  Smaller than I expected but exactly the clusterfrack I expected.  "Down with the Banks", "Support Unions", "Stop Fracking" (not like fracking fracking, the oil kind) "Pay my student loan".  Complete chaos.  The only thing they had organized was that they were all smelly and disgusting and that I am pretty certain no one would ever hire any of them even if they did go to an interview instead of sit in a dirty tent all day.  I got some great pics. 

Please post pics.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Please post pics.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/v/Wl1ObUGAoHE?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0

[Stupid Fitz]

 Welp, glad I got to see/smell them last week.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

It is both hilarious and telling that the Democrats rushed to embrace these protests as their version of the Tea Party.  It says a lot about the Democratic Party and its socialist base.

These "protests" are pretty much nothing more than the same collection of assholes who show up to protest at the Gx summits. "Waaa, waaa, its the BANKS' fault I can't get a job" (that pays me what I feel I deserve for my liberal arts degree). "It's those GREEDY CORPORATIONS that crashed the economy!"

Tip to the Occupiers: Why don't you start protesting the government that subsidized and promoted the reckless lending practices that resulted in the housing bubble and crash? Wasn't the government at least equally responsible for this mess, if not more so?

[LickNeckey]

most of the Tea Partiers that i know are retirees who collect social security, utilize medicare, or collect government/military pensions 

both groups are self serving idiots



in fact i know one family who the wife teaches while her husband is retired ex-military so he spends his time traveling to and writing op-ed tea party pieces deriding big government.  the family makes a weekly trip to post to shop so they don't have to pay tax.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

in fact i know one family who the wife teaches while her husband is retired ex-military so he spends his time traveling to and writing op-ed tea party pieces deriding big government.  the family makes a weekly trip to post to shop so they don't have to pay tax.

Right. Because the Tea Party wants to cut military benefits. What a bunch of hypocrites. As for the retirees that want to reform entitlement spending but preserve their own benefits, I guess that could be considered hypocritical on some level, but at least they worked a job for 40 years and paid something into the system. The OWSrs are just looking for handouts. They're the Democratic base.

But, by all means, let's attack the Tea Party and divert attention from the OWS clowns.

[LickNeckey]

no doubt there are idiots with the OWS movement but there are also hard working americans who have a legitimate gripe.

the problem is the idiots are not the "base" of the democratic party.

no doubt there are idots within the Tea Party but there are also hard working americans who have a legitimate gripe.

the problem is the idiots are not the "base of the republican party

#now can we stop trying to characterize each other as extremes and attempt to have a dialogue not centered on name calling and extremes

(p.s. i grew up on a farm, have never been unemployed, never accepted government benefits, often worked multiple jobs and i am not a republican.)
crazy but true

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

no doubt there are idiots with the OWS movement but there are also hard working americans who have a legitimate gripe.

Please explain: What is the gripe, to whom is it directed, and how is that gripe legitimate?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

no doubt there are idiots with the OWS movement but there are also hard working americans who have a legitimate gripe.

the problem is the idiots are not the "base" of the democratic party.

no doubt there are idots within the Tea Party but there are also hard working americans who have a legitimate gripe.

the problem is the idiots are not the "base of the republican party

#now can we stop trying to characterize each other as extremes and attempt to have a dialogue not centered on name calling and extremes

(p.s. i grew up on a farm, have never been unemployed, never accepted government benefits, often worked multiple jobs and i am not a republican.)
crazy but true

Comparing the OWS movement to the Tea Party is like comparing a male genitals fight to PGA golf in terms of organization, civility, intelligence, and message.  Any rational person can see that.

You have a collection of people squatting on public property and using it as a latrine, implementing prison law, call each other comrade, protesting a legal entity with the unclear goal of anarchy and/or radical government redistribution and/or myriad other absurd propositions. 

You have another collection of people who peacefully assemble, clean up before they go home, occasionally dress up as a 18th Century politician, with a general goal of reducing the size of our $4+ trillion govt. (to the size it was 10 years ago, which according to the MSM is also radical)

Saying each has a few idiots, as to imply they are virtually the same but for the end of the political continuum they represent, is either wishful thinking or utter ignorance on your part.  The OWS movement is nothing like the Tea Party.  The Tea Party is extreme, the OWS'ers are a disgusting display of humanity.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

The overnight camping bullshit needs to stop. I am going to hazard a guess that overnight camping is illegal in 99.9% of the OWS protest sites and they are now setting a precedent for permanent feces infested homeless encampments of STD infected "protesters" soon to be known as "Obamavilles". 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The overnight camping bullshit needs to stop. I am going to hazard a guess that overnight camping is illegal in 99.9% of the OWS protest sites and they are now setting a precedent for permanent feces infested homeless encampments of STD infected "protesters" soon to be known as "Obamavilles". 

Good news, a New York Supreme Court judge just today ruled that the City's ban on tents and sleeping bags is constitutional. Freedom of speech does not mean you can just set up a homestead in a public square. Gonna be some cold, uncomfortable hippies and anarchists...

[jtksu]

Seems like you see "no camping" signs in tons of parks around the country.  Not sure how that went all the way to the Supreme Court.  Pretty jacked up that crap like that is clogging up dockets.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Seems like you see "no camping" signs in tons of parks around the country.  Not sure how that went all the way to the Supreme Court.  Pretty jacked up that crap like that is clogging up dockets.

I'm pretty impressed that the judge resolved the matter so quickly, within about 24 hours. What's funny is that it took Bloomberg over 60 days to issue the edict in the first place. As you point out, it's just common sense.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

There is a silver lining to the OWS movement. They've made the Tea Party a lot more favorable by comparison.

From Democratic pollster PPP:

The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement's support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street's goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

Voters don't care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed.  But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.

[Dugout DickStone]

The overnight camping bullshit needs to stop. I am going to hazard a guess that overnight camping is illegal in 99.9% of the OWS protest sites and they are now setting a precedent for permanent feces infested homeless encampments of STD infected "protesters" soon to be known as "Obamavilles". 

Good news, a New York Supreme Court judge just today ruled that the City's ban on tents and sleeping bags is constitutional. Freedom of speech does not mean you can just set up a homestead in a public square. Gonna be some cold, uncomfortable hippies and anarchists...

So, where is it that the friendly hippies will sell good quality blow at a decent price to a comrade?  Just asking, I have an ex-step cousin from Ontario who was asking me.  I told him I'd find out if he'd promise not to go get a bunch.

[LickNeckey]

"Saying each has a few idiots, as to imply they are virtually the same but for the end of the political continuum they represent, is either wishful thinking or utter ignorance on your part.  The OWS movement is nothing like the Tea Party.  The Tea Party is extreme, the OWS'ers are a disgusting display of humanity."

My point is to say that the OWS has raised some valid points and legitimate concerns as our nation moves forward.  Many of those concerns are glossed over or dismissed due to the actions and perceptions of those taking part. 

The Tea Party has suffered similar challenges.  Seeing many of the valid points and concerns overshadowed by racist or bigoted elements.  There are clearly numerous differences between the movements, however both sides have at times clearly lacked civility.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

My point is to say that the OWS has raised some valid points and legitimate concerns as our nation moves forward.  Many of those concerns are glossed over or dismissed due to the actions and perceptions of those taking part. 

Please explain: What are the valid points and legitimate concerns, to whom are they directed, and how is the valid and legitimate?

[AbeFroman]

Congrats to the democrats for creating a successful class war. It compliments the nice race war the republicans ignited a couple years ago.

[LickNeckey]

"Please explain: What are the valid points and legitimate concerns, to whom are they directed, and how is the valid and legitimate?"

Concerns - The widening gulf between richa nd poor and the de-evolution of the middle class.  The favortism shown towards banks and financial institutions who engaged in reckless profiteering and faced little consequence.



Direction - Towards the populace to engage dialogue on the issues at hand in order to find solution and potentially force action through non-violent dissent (i understand that this is not always what has taken place but i believe was the intent.)

Finally - "and how is the valid and legitimate?"

i don't know what that means.

[LickNeckey]

also very PGA like don't you think?



but i mean he did pick up after himself.  right?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

"Please explain: What are the valid points and legitimate concerns, to whom are they directed, and how is the valid and legitimate?"

Concerns - The widening gulf between richa nd poor and the de-evolution of the middle class.  The favortism shown towards banks and financial institutions who engaged in reckless profiteering and faced little consequence.



Direction - Towards the populace to engage dialogue on the issues at hand in order to find solution and potentially force action through non-violent dissent (i understand that this is not always what has taken place but i believe was the intent.)

Finally - "and how is the valid and legitimate?"

i don't know what that means.

The last question is the most important. OWS may have a gripe, but that doesn't mean it is legitimate. A growing income disparity is just a symptom of a crappy economy, which has hit hardest the poor and lower middle-class, particularly those without a college degree. But instead of advocating for policies to get employers hiring again, the protestors are whining for more government redistribution of income ("social justice"). Instead of occupying the National Mall, they "Occupy Wall Street," demanding that the richest 1% (but not Michael Moore) "pay their fair share." these same 1%rs are the very employers who they bitch aren't hiring people! This is not legitimate. It is petulant and irrational.

Regarding "The favortism shown towards banks and financial institutions who engaged in reckless profiteering and faced little consequence" - here OWS has common ground with... the Tea Party! The difference is that the Tea Party is smart enough to direct their gripe at the people actually responsible for the bailouts: the government.

Here's a clue: Anytime you've got people beating bongos while at the same time engaging in "the people's megaphone" because its too hard to hear, you're on the wrong side. The occupiers are a revolting mishmash of the crazy, lazy, stupid, and misguided.

[LickNeckey]

the concerns are legitimate. 

regardless of where the protests are taking place the positive benefit from both OWS and the Tea Party is initiating a dialogue about the concerns.

furthermore... "demanding that the richest 1% (but not Michael Moore) "pay their fair share." these same 1%rs are the very employers who they bitch aren't hiring people!"

i haven't heard anyone claim that people of wealth who are left leaning or all out liberals shouldn't be subject to tax increases.  i also disagree with the notion that somehow taxing the wealthy will make them less motivated.  The wealthy have the ability and i believe moral obligation to be positive contributors to our great nation.

and Country Superstar and all around great american Toby Keith agrees

http://michelle.kscs.com/?p=1319

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

the concerns are legitimate. 

regardless of where the protests are taking place the positive benefit from both OWS and the Tea Party is initiating a dialogue about the concerns.

furthermore... "demanding that the richest 1% (but not Michael Moore) "pay their fair share." these same 1%rs are the very employers who they bitch aren't hiring people!"

i haven't heard anyone claim that people of wealth who are left leaning or all out liberals shouldn't be subject to tax increases.  i also disagree with the notion that somehow taxing the wealthy will make them less motivated.  The wealthy have the ability and i believe moral obligation to be positive contributors to our great nation.

Ah, the "moral obligation" to work your butt off no matter how much the government takes. From each according to his ability, and so forth. I thought charity was moral, and taxes was just... obeying the law. And I'm so glad the occupiers have "started a dialogue about their concerns." Again, concerns are not the same as solutions. The occupiers' solution is socialism.