thoughts on Mizzou...

[The Manhatter]

first, don't ride the tide.  No reason to get too  with nice wins or losses. 

This KSU team is very confident and seemingly has a bunch of different guys capable of making some crucial plays to beat people.

Mizzou is a dangerous team in that they get a lot of snaps offensively and they're balanced from the standpt that they have a lot of intent to use a two pronged rushing attack w/ their QB and RB.

But like Baylor, they really don't have a running back who scares anyone.  (I don't care what Josey's done with his numbers...he's a beauty queen in a scheme...system kid).  I thought the key going into the Baylor game was containing RG3 (make him throw from the pocket) and shut down the running game.  You knew RG3 was going to get his...I figured around 27-28 pts...he was even better than that.  But we contained him to the pocket and shut down the running game.

Baylor's had very solid OL play since Briles showed up so our containment, shutting down the run, and even getting more pressure than I saw coming is a very good sign for how we play in the front 7.  Mizzou is not a more physical team than the one we saw Saturday though, as stated earlier, they have more intent in their running game.

I still see Kibble (who is 1st team all-Big 12 caliber), Brown, and our "stop the run 1st" defensive ends shutting down or severely limiting what Mizzou has become accustomed to on the ground.  Mizzou's 530 yards vs. OU didn't bother me...we're better than OU up the middle of the defense and Mizzou did next to nothing on 9 straight drives in the heart of that OU game.  They notched 170 yards in the final 8 minutes and got half their points...by that time OU had several 2s working in with the 1s to gain experience.  That leaves Franklin in the pocket where you really can't compare a gamer and experienced (and insanely talented vet) like RG3.  Franklin isn't going to beat a whole lot of people with pocket passing if his run game is limited.  They do not stretch you vertically like Baylor nor do they possess that consistent big play capability in the passing game.  It's more of a methodical attack but they are having breakdowns with it this year.  They're still very formidable this year offensively but not the type that strikes fear in you like the one we saw last week or what they've had in the recent past.

To this point in the season I have not been impressed with Mizzou's LBs or secondary.  Their DL matches up well with us but there is this "scheme doctor" roaming our sidelines who has the antecdote for what ails.

[hemmy]

Lets face it, Pinkel will put a clown suit on Snyder just like the past 2 years.

[AbeFroman]

Lets face it, Pinkel will put a clown suit on Snyder just like the past 2 years.

Nah, mizzou had nfl talent at wr and lb those years. We had a terrible defense last year and a mediocre one before that. Order restored etc. Etc.

[The Manhatter]

Lets face it, Pinkel will put a clown suit on Snyder just like the past 2 years.

  and a JFC to boot.  (astonished)

[pike]

Mizzou has a nice little streak on us.

Time to rough ridin' end that.

 

[MobDeep]

I still see Kibble (who is 1st team all-Big 12 caliber), Brown, and our "stop the run 1st" defensive ends shutting down or severely limiting what Mizzou has become accustomed to on the ground.  Mizzou's 530 yards vs. OU didn't bother me...we're better than OU up the middle of the defense and Mizzou did next to nothing on 9 straight drives in the heart of that OU game.  They notched 170 yards in the final 8 minutes and got half their points...by that time OU had several 2s working in with the 1s to gain experience.  That leaves Franklin in the pocket where you really can't compare a gamer and experienced (and insanely talented vet) like RG3.  Franklin isn't going to beat a whole lot of people with pocket passing if his run game is limited.  They do not stretch you vertically like Baylor nor do they possess that consistent big play capability in the passing game.  It's more of a methodical attack but they are having breakdowns with it this year.  They're still very formidable this year offensively but not the type that strikes fear in you like the one we saw last week or what they've had in the recent past.

 

[ednksu]

Lets face it, Pinkel will put a clown suit on Snyder just like the past 2 years.

  and a JFC to boot.  (astonished)

yeah when queso almost comes back on ya, its not a clown suiting 

[FHSU92]

Lets face it, Pinkel will put a clown suit on Snyder just like the past 2 years.

He's had 2 weeks to meet with the tailor...measure twice & cut once for that perfect fit.   

[fatty fat fat]

It's 38-12 in MHK (2009) that scares me. the way they just clowned our run game.

[KITNfury]

It's 38-12 in MHK (2009) that scares me. the way they just clowned our run game.

Yea, I'm really scared we won't be able to run at all.

[felix rex]

It's 38-12 in MHK (2009) that scares me. the way they just clowned our run game.

Remember how exciting it was right until Banks fumbled at the goal line early? 

[Cire]

They are going to mash our faces in.  Good thing pinks doesn't run it up.

[felix rex]

They are going to mash our faces in.  Good thing pinks doesn't run it up.

Is this your new way to keep those walls up, now that you can't keep predicting losses to KU? Let em back in, cire. They've changed. They know they've made some mistakes and hurt us in the past, and they mean it when they say they're sorry this time. They've had a lot of time to think. A lot of time to grow up and reevaluate.

[Bookcat]

I understand where hemmy and cire are coming from....but this year is different...and they are just effing with us. So. kudos.

I bet you were a hit at the postgame tailgate Saturday.


"Well, we shoulda lost but we didn't".  GTFO.

[mcmwcat]

worst mizzou team in years should give us a chance.   

[Winters]

I want to win this game very badly, I mean like really really badly.

[kso_FAN]

I'm pretty sure Bill is tired of getting clowned by Pinkel (and he has the last 2 years). It helps that Missouri is a solid team, but not a great one. I am certain they are not better than Baylor.

[Panjandrum]

Love a good Hatter thread like this.

First of all, Hatter, your 27-28 prediction probably had a good chance of standing had Griffin and Wright not had that one sick TD where Griffin threw of his back foot and Wright ended up diving and catching that ball.  That was unreal.  Had they not hit that, you would have been dead on in your prediction.  So, all in all, I'll give you credit for it.

Second, yes, you're dead on about Mizzou and their running game.  The key is keeping Franklin in the pocket.  If we keep him isolated in there, and shut down his run game, my guess is that he throws a minimum of two picks.

I haven't had a chance to dive into the numbers yet, but just a gut feeling is that we see a Mizzou team get around 380-400 yards of total offense with 300-330 in the air.  Franklin will end up throwing at least 35 times.  At least.  We'll probably go up 7-10 points in the first half, and Pinkel will end up abandoning the run because it's ineffective somewhere in the third.  At that point, if we have a lead and Franklin has to play catch up, he'll start throwing picks, and we'll just run and wear down their defense and kill clock.

I'll end up saying that I think this game ends up something like 27-17 KSU or something like that.  Grant Whatshisname will end up missing some FG, so it probably should be closer than the final score will indicate.

We'll win TOP by at least five minutes.

[kso_FAN]

Love a good Hatter thread like this.

First of all, Hatter, your 27-28 prediction probably had a good chance of standing had Griffin and Wright not had that one sick TD where Griffin threw of his back foot and Wright ended up diving and catching that ball.  That was unreal.  Had they not hit that, you would have been dead on in your prediction.  So, all in all, I'll give you credit for it.

Second, yes, you're dead on about Mizzou and their running game.  The key is keeping Franklin in the pocket.  If we keep him isolated in there, and shut down his run game, my guess is that he throws a minimum of two picks.

I haven't had a chance to dive into the numbers yet, but just a gut feeling is that we see a Mizzou team get around 380-400 yards of total offense with 300-330 in the air.  Franklin will end up throwing at least 35 times.  At least.  We'll probably go up 7-10 points in the first half, and Pinkel will end up abandoning the run because it's ineffective somewhere in the third.  At that point, if we have a lead and Franklin has to play catch up, he'll start throwing picks, and we'll just run and wear down their defense and kill clock.

I'll end up saying that I think this game ends up something like 27-17 KSU or something like that.  Grant Whatshisname will end up missing some FG, so it probably should be closer than the final score will indicate.

We'll win TOP by at least five minutes.

Good thoughts. Franklin is solid, but he is no Griffin. There are differences, but MU's running game is similar to Baylor's; lots of stretch zone, zone read, and stretch read. I thought we handled it very well last week and I expect us to again. The biggest worry is getting bad match-ups like we did last week with MU recievers isolated on Hartman. Its easy to throw Hartman under the bus on those, but Davies was right on the telecast, the nickel DB has to jam the WR to give Hartman a chance. Even with a 15 yard cushion, its hard to adjust and stay with an elite WR running a vertical route right at you. I also agree that we can force Franklin into making some mistakes.

[Spaces]

Hatter and Pan make me feel better.

[kso_FAN]

Missouri's run D is a legitimate concern, they are pretty good: http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/team/434/rushing/defense/gamelog.html

[Winters]

Franklin doesn't scare me one bit

[Panjandrum]

Love a good Hatter thread like this.

First of all, Hatter, your 27-28 prediction probably had a good chance of standing had Griffin and Wright not had that one sick TD where Griffin threw of his back foot and Wright ended up diving and catching that ball.  That was unreal.  Had they not hit that, you would have been dead on in your prediction.  So, all in all, I'll give you credit for it.

Second, yes, you're dead on about Mizzou and their running game.  The key is keeping Franklin in the pocket.  If we keep him isolated in there, and shut down his run game, my guess is that he throws a minimum of two picks.

I haven't had a chance to dive into the numbers yet, but just a gut feeling is that we see a Mizzou team get around 380-400 yards of total offense with 300-330 in the air.  Franklin will end up throwing at least 35 times.  At least.  We'll probably go up 7-10 points in the first half, and Pinkel will end up abandoning the run because it's ineffective somewhere in the third.  At that point, if we have a lead and Franklin has to play catch up, he'll start throwing picks, and we'll just run and wear down their defense and kill clock.

I'll end up saying that I think this game ends up something like 27-17 KSU or something like that.  Grant Whatshisname will end up missing some FG, so it probably should be closer than the final score will indicate.

We'll win TOP by at least five minutes.

Good thoughts. Franklin is solid, but he is no Griffin. There are differences, but MU's running game is similar to Baylor's; lots of stretch zone, zone read, and stretch read. I thought we handled it very well last week and I expect us to again. The biggest worry is getting bad match-ups like we did last week with MU recievers isolated on Hartman. Its easy to throw Hartman under the bus on those, but Davies was right on the telecast, the nickel DB has to jam the WR to give Hartman a chance. Even with a 15 yard cushion, its hard to adjust and stay with an elite WR running a vertical route right at you. I also agree that we can force Franklin into making some mistakes.

Moe is the only thing that really scares me right now.  A good slot receiver that's adept at finding holes in the zone, especially post second level, concerns me with this defense.  My hope is that we put enough pressure on Franklin that he can't spend all day looking for him.

Honestly, with as good as we've been up the middle, I'm not opposed to moving Garrett to linebacker this week and letting him play on the slot during a lot of series.  Malone and Chapman can hold their own with Mizzou on the edge.  I'd like to see us keep Garrett on Moe most of the day if we can.

Of course, I wouldn't normally suggest this, but Garrett is such a great tackler that we can get away with it.

[The Manhatter]

Love a good Hatter thread like this.

First of all, Hatter, your 27-28 prediction probably had a good chance of standing had Griffin and Wright not had that one sick TD where Griffin threw of his back foot and Wright ended up diving and catching that ball.  That was unreal.  Had they not hit that, you would have been dead on in your prediction.  So, all in all, I'll give you credit for it.

Second, yes, you're dead on about Mizzou and their running game.  The key is keeping Franklin in the pocket.  If we keep him isolated in there, and shut down his run game, my guess is that he throws a minimum of two picks.

I haven't had a chance to dive into the numbers yet, but just a gut feeling is that we see a Mizzou team get around 380-400 yards of total offense with 300-330 in the air.  Franklin will end up throwing at least 35 times.  At least.  We'll probably go up 7-10 points in the first half, and Pinkel will end up abandoning the run because it's ineffective somewhere in the third.  At that point, if we have a lead and Franklin has to play catch up, he'll start throwing picks, and we'll just run and wear down their defense and kill clock.

I'll end up saying that I think this game ends up something like 27-17 KSU or something like that.  Grant Whatshisname will end up missing some FG, so it probably should be closer than the final score will indicate.

We'll win TOP by at least five minutes.

Good thoughts. Franklin is solid, but he is no Griffin. There are differences, but MU's running game is similar to Baylor's; lots of stretch zone, zone read, and stretch read. I thought we handled it very well last week and I expect us to again. The biggest worry is getting bad match-ups like we did last week with MU recievers isolated on Hartman. Its easy to throw Hartman under the bus on those, but Davies was right on the telecast, the nickel DB has to jam the WR to give Hartman a chance. Even with a 15 yard cushion, its hard to adjust and stay with an elite WR running a vertical route right at you. I also agree that we can force Franklin into making some mistakes.

No Mizzou scares me isolated on Hartman like Wright does...but let me clarify in saying that every receiver scares me isolated on Hartman...just wright it scarier.

I remember when Wright was coming out of high school...Prince recruited him for the duration of a cup of coffee.  He is one of those examples where it was rather obvious to me that rivals truly doesn't know how to evaluate talent.  Looked explosive and very talented on his video yet just a 5.6 3 star (even though he had offers from schools like OU).  Dynamic player and no receiver on Mizzou's roster has his capabilities.  But they have a lot of solid receivers.

[Panjandrum]

Missouri's run D is a legitimate concern, they are pretty good: http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/team/434/rushing/defense/gamelog.html

They are, but this is a situation where I think they'll end up selling out a lot on the run, and Snyder will take a chance and go vertical a few times and spend a lot of time out on the edge like he did against Miami.