Bryce

[DQ12]

Yeah people write off "not trying hard" pretty easily on this board.

Trying hard is a pretty big deal. 

[steve dave]

Yeah people write off "not trying hard" pretty easily on this board.

Trying hard is a pretty big deal.  

As someone who is currently living out every one of your dreams of owning of a big time sports message board I can confidently say trying hard is overemphasized if anything.  

[Rage Against the McKee]

I just don't see why people think Hubert sucks so much. He's a very good running back.

[steve dave]

I just don't see why people think Hubert sucks so much. He's a very good running back.

yeah, he's great.  I don't think anyone thinks he sucks. 

[Belvis Noland]

The kind that play for LHC Bill Snyder.

List a single NFL caliber player that has been stymied by Snyder.  We've got a pretty goo sample size.  We can all agree that OB has placed a fairly substantial number of players in the League.  

Snyder can't manage talent?  Name a single talented player that he hasn't managed.  Seriously.  I'll criticize OB for not bringing in more 4* and 5* talent (especially the KS players).  But, he consistently plays his best players.  Fact.  

[EMAWmeister]

Has it been discussed how adorable Hubie's high school logo was?



 

[DQ12]

I just don't see why people think Hubert sucks so much. He's a very good running back.

It's just that people were looking forward to the x-headed monster.  Hubert's great.  Love Hubert, but we saw on Saturday that he wears down sometimes.  This was especially notable in his long run when he was run down by a Miami secondary guy.  Hubes was clearly gassed.

Having Hubert and Bryce would be a very good 1-2 punch, especially since Pease is banged up.  

[Belvis Noland]

So here's a short (and incomplete) list of realistic possibilties:

1.  Snyder has failed Bryce (and all qatz fans) by not giving him the support/encouragement and touches he needs to be productive
2.  Bryce has failed Snyder (and all qatz fans) by being a lazy POS headcase that is letting his personal life interfere with his football career
3.  Bryce is an amazing talent (evidenced by his performance at Tenn) that Snyder mumped up because he sucks at coddling 5* recruits
4.  Bryce is overrated and even though he had decent to solid numbers at Tenn, he now has personal issues that are making him suck at playing football
5.  Bryce sucks in practice and has sucked in games when given the opportunities so it's not Snyder's fault
6.  Bryce is just being lazy in practice and needs more opportunities in games to get motivated so it's Snyder's fault

That about sum it up?  NOBODY on this board has the facts to dispute any one of those assumptions, so anybody that's taking a hard line in either Camp Snyder or Camp Bryce is a rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) given everything we DON'T know right now.

7.  Snyder always plays his best players, not the most physically gifted.  

[Jackstraw]

Citing Larry Johnson as your example Belvis is kind of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  The guy ran for 2100 yards his senior year, was a heismen finalist, was drafted in the first round, ran for 1700 yards in back to back years, and played 8 years in the league.  Oh and he's not in his prime.  He's 31 years old and is a running back.  If anything he actually proves that if you can really run the ball, then you can still be a pretty effective back if used right.  And I really don't think blocking and all of the other things that go into being a complete back are not important.  My issue is with the people who have concluded after 8 plays that Bryce can't do anything, but run the ball.  Maybe that's true, but until we actually get some kind of a sample size then it's hard to draw a conclusion either way.

[06wildcat]

I just don't see why people think Hubert sucks so much. He's a very good running back.

He's quite serviceable, however there are other running backs out there that have to do very, very little to be better than JH trying his hardest. It's entirely possible that BB doesn't have that kind of talent. I was merely making the point that it's also possible he does have that kind of talent, which sometimes leads to a lower work ethic.

[PurpleSleezyE]

Just a thought...

I wonder what the other players think.  Team chemistry for the offense is important.  Would the team have issues if Bryce played more with the supposed issues he seems to have? 

[Cire]

LJ is a big slow back that had success behind one of the best run blocking lines ever and a crap load of carries.

[Belvis Noland]

Citing Larry Johnson as your example Belvis is kind of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  The guy ran for 2100 yards his senior year, was a heismen finalist, was drafted in the first round, ran for 1700 yards in back to back years, and played 8 years in the league.  Oh and he's not in his prime.  He's 31 years old and is a running back.  If anything he actually proves that if you can really run the ball, then you can still be a pretty effective back if used right.  And I really don't think blocking and all of the other things that go into being a complete back are not important.  My issue is with the people who have concluded after 8 plays that Bryce can't do anything, but run the ball.  Maybe that's true, but until we actually get some kind of a sample size then it's hard to draw a conclusion either way.

He sat the bench his first two years in the League because Vermeil preferred Priest Holmes' work ethic.  Vermeil is as worthless at coaching as Snyder, but I believe he told Larry to take of his diaper at one point.  His 3rd and 4th years he blew up for 1,700 per season (mistakenly thought he only had 1 good season).  Got a huge contract extension and starting beating up girls off of field.  

As a 25 year olf all-pro RB, in the prime of his career, LJ proceeded to crap all over himself.  559 yds ('07), 874 yds ('08), 377 yds ('09), 204 yds ('10), 2 yds ('11), 2 yds ('12).  

The dude had the talent to be a very good running back in the NFL.  You even cited his college stats for me.  He turned all of that talent into two (2) very good seasons.  Talent, alone, doesn't get it done.  You've got to work hard and be disciplined.    

[Rage Against the McKee]

I just don't see why people think Hubert sucks so much. He's a very good running back.

He's quite serviceable, however there are other running backs out there that have to do very, very little to be better than JH trying his hardest. It's entirely possible that BB doesn't have that kind of talent. I was merely making the point that it's also possible he does have that kind of talent, which sometimes leads to a lower work ethic.

Name one good running back who didn't try hard. You are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to think that anybody has the natural talent to just line up and play running back.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Citing Larry Johnson as your example Belvis is kind of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  The guy ran for 2100 yards his senior year, was a heismen finalist, was drafted in the first round, ran for 1700 yards in back to back years, and played 8 years in the league.  Oh and he's not in his prime.  He's 31 years old and is a running back.  If anything he actually proves that if you can really run the ball, then you can still be a pretty effective back if used right.  And I really don't think blocking and all of the other things that go into being a complete back are not important.  My issue is with the people who have concluded after 8 plays that Bryce can't do anything, but run the ball.  Maybe that's true, but until we actually get some kind of a sample size then it's hard to draw a conclusion either way.

He sat the bench his first two years in the League because Vermeil preferred Priest Holmes' work ethic.  Vermeil is as worthless at coaching as Snyder, but I believe he told Larry to take of his diaper at one point.  His 3rd and 4th years he blew up for 1,700 per season (mistakenly thought he only had 1 good season).  Got a huge contract extension and starting beating up girls off of field.  

As a 25 year olf all-pro RB, in the prime of his career, LJ proceeded to crap all over himself.  559 yds ('07), 874 yds ('08), 377 yds ('09), 204 yds ('10), 2 yds ('11), 2 yds ('12).  

The dude had the talent to be a very good running back in the NFL.  You even cited his college stats for me.  He turned all of that talent into two (2) very good seasons.  Talent, alone, doesn't get it done.  You've got to work hard and be disciplined.    

There is not and never was a problem with LJ's work ethic. I'm not sure where you are getting that.

[Jackstraw]

LJ is a big slow back that had success behind one of the best run blocking lines ever and a crap load of carries.

Definitely agree with that.  That line was amazing, especially Willie Roaf.   Regardless LJ played 8 years in the league and is richer than he could have ever imagined.  Not a good example.  

[kstatefreak42]

"the guy just stays to himself"


Take notes from your bro...bro.

[mocat]

this whole "try hard" vs "not try hard" argument reminds of all the morons who voted for Tyler Hansbrough instead of Michael Beasley for POY 

[EMAWmeister]

Citing Larry Johnson as your example Belvis is kind of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  The guy ran for 2100 yards his senior year, was a heismen finalist, was drafted in the first round, ran for 1700 yards in back to back years, and played 8 years in the league.  Oh and he's not in his prime.  He's 31 years old and is a running back.  If anything he actually proves that if you can really run the ball, then you can still be a pretty effective back if used right.  And I really don't think blocking and all of the other things that go into being a complete back are not important.  My issue is with the people who have concluded after 8 plays that Bryce can't do anything, but run the ball.  Maybe that's true, but until we actually get some kind of a sample size then it's hard to draw a conclusion either way.

He sat the bench his first two years in the League because Vermeil preferred Priest Holmes' work ethic.  Vermeil is as worthless at coaching as Snyder, but I believe he told Larry to take of his diaper at one point.  His 3rd and 4th years he blew up for 1,700 per season (mistakenly thought he only had 1 good season).  Got a huge contract extension and starting beating up girls off of field.  

As a 25 year olf all-pro RB, in the prime of his career, LJ proceeded to crap all over himself.  559 yds ('07), 874 yds ('08), 377 yds ('09), 204 yds ('10), 2 yds ('11), 2 yds ('12).  

The dude had the talent to be a very good running back in the NFL.  You even cited his college stats for me.  He turned all of that talent into two (2) very good seasons.  Talent, alone, doesn't get it done.  You've got to work hard and be disciplined.    

Priest Holmes was still having career years.

[Belvis Noland]

There is not and never was a problem with LJ's work ethic. I'm not sure where you are getting that.

"He's sometimes his own worst enemy," Vermeil said. "He's a good person. He can, when he wants, have a tremendous work ethic."

[Cartierfor3]

Mods move to Chiefs thread.  TIA

[HeinBallz]

Just a thought...

I wonder what the other players think.  Team chemistry for the offense is important.  Would the team have issues if Bryce played more with the supposed issues he seems to have? 

OR... maybe BB hates CK & the missed block was intentional.  

[WillieWatanabe]

what the eff is going on here?

[BRULL]

This is all part of the "Big Scheme".

[Cartierfor3]

what the eff is going on here?

Bryce is a reverse aging alien.  Others debating the running back credentials of Larry Johnson.  Still others hating LHC Bill Snyder.