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I have no idea why none of the good conferences want KSU or KU. I think we're both great.

[OK_Cat]

...  You guys act like KU basketball doesn't generate crap, when all the numbers and evidence show that KU is right up there in the top 20 or so schools when it comes to athletic budgets/revenues/profits. 

Not us Beems, people like Larry Scott are saying that what basketball generates doesn't mean crap.

Then why is Duke firmly in the ACC?

Academics/UNC/already being there  

I have been assured by the resident hayseeds that academics don't matter at all.  See:  KU's AAU membership.  Next.

First, it was "KU = NOTRE DAME"

now it's "KU ACADEMICS = DUKE ACADEMICS"

 

[BMWWcat]

And if I'm not mistaken all of those facility improvements at ku are not paid for.
What is the bond amount that they still owe on all of that?

[deputy dawg]

"Neither team approaches Texas or Oklahoma numbers.
Still, it's crazy for the Purples to claim any kind of historical dominance or even parity with KU in conference play."

Someone help me out here.  I know Baylor has the worst Big 12 football record.  Is ku the next worst,  or is Iowa State the next worst?  

I read somewhere that K-State was 3rd best in conference wins in Big 12 play.  Does that mean we are on par with ku?  3rd worst = 3rd best?

[OregonSmock]

How many conference titles in revenue sports does K-State have since the formation of the Big 12? 

[CNS]

How many conference titles in revenue sports does K-State have since the formation of the Big 12? 

Irrelevant to realignment.

[OK_Cat]

How many conference titles in revenue sports does K-State have since the formation of the Big 12? 

as many as aTm, and they're going to the SEC.

[sonofdaxjones]

2009 Football Revenues:

Notre Dame:  $64.1 Million

ku:  $16.2 million

The Little Validation Engine is trying to change the subject again.

[sonofdaxjones]

That had NOTHING to do with what I said, you actually don't even know what you've posted.

SMH

So in essence Ben, a re-structured media deal between a conference and Notre Dame could be absolutely off the charts, dwarfing Patrick-Longtime TV Insider's estimates.

ku filled their stadium every bit as much if not moreso the following year Beems and gross revenues plummeted $17 million dollars.   This is not hard.

This covers a five year period, 'Pad:

Institution Name    Grand Total Revenue    Grand Total Expenses    Profit

Texas    $605,108,282    $500,783,830    $104,324,452
Ohio State    $575,074,569    $516,982,310    $58,092,259
Florida    $521,026,679    $475,216,193    $45,810,486
Michigan    $475,418,749    $376,093,582    $99,325,167
Alabama    $472,696,121    $374,990,279    $97,705,842
Tennessee    $447,299,149    $435,339,648    $11,959,501
Penn State    $441,004,474    $378,106,020    $62,898,454
Wisconsin    $438,714,947    $413,421,089    $25,293,858
Louisiana State    $435,601,796    $407,465,214    $28,136,582
Auburn    $418,904,026    $376,841,279    $42,062,747
Notre Dame    $417,065,007    $313,623,490    $103,441,517
Georgia    $408,680,608    $343,635,239    $65,045,369
Iowa    $396,206,849    $344,731,540    $51,475,309
Oklahoma    $391,200,150    $380,479,633    $10,720,517
USC    $374,128,429    $374,128,429    $0
Michigan State    $373,348,695    $321,539,458    $51,809,237
Virginia    $371,891,285    $357,475,801    $14,415,484
Texas A&M    $359,862,009    $342,419,076    $17,442,933
Stanford    $359,261,704    $356,038,374    $3,223,330
Nebraska    $359,089,969    $332,714,925    $26,375,044
Kansas    $356,685,528    $297,351,141    $59,334,387
Kentucky    $340,638,906    $327,047,572    $13,591,334
South Carolina    $336,434,820    $328,674,789    $7,760,031
Minnesota    $329,448,928    $322,970,257    $6,478,671
Oklahoma State    $326,238,178    $273,959,017    $52,279,161
California    $319,553,483    $319,502,736    $50,747
Arkansas    $317,472,840    $304,516,585    $12,956,255
North Carolina    $311,318,829    $310,322,260    $996,569
UCLA    $307,518,115    $307,501,197    $16,918
Duke    $305,442,709    $304,180,138    $1,262,571
Boston College    $300,446,948    $295,093,893    $5,353,055
Washington    $297,429,491    $279,371,129    $18,058,362
Purdue    $289,997,727    $277,327,048    $12,670,679
Oregon    $287,925,483    $276,292,935    $11,632,548
Virginia Tech    $281,014,390    $252,140,462    $28,873,928
Clemson    $278,773,748    $265,776,203    $12,997,545
Florida State    $278,057,903    $271,387,906    $6,669,997
Louisville    $276,626,938    $263,116,665    $13,510,273
Connecticut    $274,438,065    $274,159,199    $278,866
Illinois    $272,272,142    $244,345,811    $27,926,331
West Virginia    $268,839,229    $240,910,022    $27,929,207
Indiana    $268,489,651    $247,066,702    $21,422,949
Arizona State    $265,675,468    $263,293,925    $2,381,543
Missouri    $256,386,080    $251,401,330    $4,984,750
Miami (FL)    $255,735,910    $242,972,602    $12,763,308
Rutgers    $245,105,184    $244,719,877    $385,307
Texas Tech    $244,451,812    $228,964,729    $15,487,083
Colorado    $241,239,561    $230,601,450    $10,638,111
Arizona    $240,762,291    $230,260,937    $10,501,354
Kansas State    $239,718,709    $202,264,641    $37,454,068
Syracuse    $237,755,312    $231,115,007    $6,640,305
Georgia Tech    $236,123,569    $234,657,630    $1,465,939
Oregon State    $232,407,604    $229,464,206    $2,943,398
Baylor    $223,543,720    $223,543,720    $0
North Carolina State    $223,022,563    $218,020,914    $5,001,649
Vanderbilt    $220,415,601    $214,755,898    $5,659,703


 

[OregonSmock]

Instead of focusing on one or two years, look at the bigger picture, 'Pad.  Over the most recent five year stretch, KU is top 20 in total revenue.  That's nothing to sneeze at.

[chum1]

forbes puts out top 20 lists.  ku is never on them.  but what does it have to do with their value to football tv ratings anyway?  no one watches ku football even in kc, let alone the rest of the country.

[wetwillie]

I bet the mods are all  when ben comes back and the post count goes through the roof

[sonofdaxjones]

What does revenue of individual athletic departments have to do with media worth?   

Using what you've been saying Beems, if ND agrees to share the media deals they have negotiated on their own with any conference they join, their worth to the conference blows schools like ku out of the water.   

Looking at ku's last 3 years of gross revenues, they're in a log jam with a host of other schools and still well below the top schools in D1 athletics. 

[Trim]

forbes puts out top 20 lists. 

Wait until you see the one for America's Most Promising Companies. 

[Dugout DickStone]

Just as well.  The Gridiron club was very bush league and looked stupid.

[michigancat]

this is from a freaking KU beat writer:

What's more, the rumors are roaring that the league would like Texas and Kansas to become the 15th and 16th members. There's a lot of stuff that would need to happen before we reach that point. And just because the ACC wants those two schools doesn't mean the ACC will get them.

That said, it is in line with what I've been hearing all along and would make a ton of sense for Kansas. Remember, KU's chancellor, Bernadette Gray-Little, came from North Carolina, where she was the provost, aka No. 2 on the totem pole. Gray-Little knows the ACC administrators very well and most that I've talked to throughout the last few weeks have praised her for being actively and passionately involved in the realignment talks.

Updated percentage wheel... we have a new leader.

    ACC - 41%
    Big 12 - 29%
    Big Ten - 14%
    Big East - 11%
    Pac-12 - 5%

Stay tuned...

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2011/sep/17/realignment-today-what-acc-expansion-tal/?utm_campaign=ljtweet&utm_source=ljtweet&utm_medium=ljtweet

[I_have_purplewood]

[sonofdaxjones]

Like I said earlier this week, the editor of the ACC Sports Journal and a sydicated talk show host out of Raleigh said that as long as Texas clings to the LHN, according to the ACC administrators he talked to, there's very little chance they'll be invited to the ACC.   That isn't to say the LHN format can be changed to appease the ACC schools, but if Texas wants the LHN as is, according to David Glenn they're not going to get invited to the ACC.

[deputy dawg]

Will the Turner Gill hate threads reduce the supply of phog realignment gems?

[kstater]

Jesus

I don't even know if this belongs here.  It wasn't even a thread about realignment.

I feel KSU got good in football because KU basically ignored it for a long stretch. If you look at when they went from horrible to mediocre (with a short blast of good), it was when KU sort of became complacent.

[Dr Rick Daris]

this is from a freaking KU beat writer:

What's more, the rumors are roaring that the league would like Texas and Kansas to become the 15th and 16th members. There's a lot of stuff that would need to happen before we reach that point. And just because the ACC wants those two schools doesn't mean the ACC will get them.

That said, it is in line with what I've been hearing all along and would make a ton of sense for Kansas. Remember, KU's chancellor, Bernadette Gray-Little, came from North Carolina, where she was the provost, aka No. 2 on the totem pole. Gray-Little knows the ACC administrators very well and most that I've talked to throughout the last few weeks have praised her for being actively and passionately involved in the realignment talks.

Updated percentage wheel... we have a new leader.

    ACC - 41%
    Big 12 - 29%
    Big Ten - 14%
    Big East - 11%
    Pac-12 - 5%

Stay tuned...

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2011/sep/17/realignment-today-what-acc-expansion-tal/?utm_campaign=ljtweet&utm_source=ljtweet&utm_medium=ljtweet

lol

[felix rex]

If we didn't have our basketball program, we would have invested more in football, and would probably be more like other successful football only schools.

Ironically, KSU probably never would have become anything more than a school like Fort Hays State. I feel KSU got good in football because KU basically ignored it for a long stretch. If you look at when they went from horrible to mediocre (with a short blast of good), it was when KU sort of became complacent.

Thanks Roy.

[ChiComCat]

Dear KU,

Thank you for letting us become good at football.  You know, with the not trying to build a successful program and all that.  I also appreciate you trying to make this happen again.

Love,

ChiCat

[felix rex]

Dear KU,

Thank you for letting us become good at football.  You know, with the not trying to build a successful program and all that.  I also appreciate you trying to make this happen again.

Love,

ChiCat

OMG think about how good we would have been at bball if KU was rough ridin' around and focusing on football in those years. 

[Ira Hayes]

How many conference titles in revenue sports does K-State have since the formation of the Big 12? 

Won 1 and played for 3.

KU is zero for zero but did come within one game of making one appearance.  Just like Iowa State.