Devon

[SuperG]

Random DPete memzy:

I loved yelling "Take it to the hole!" every time he touched the ball. He usually complied. I even started referring to him as "Take It To The Hole". It didn't really catch on.

[theswo]

 

[sys]

goddamnit.

[steve dave]

did anyone else see he tweeted his breakfast again the other day?   

[kso_FAN]

andre gilbert
abdul herereaerafa
buchi awaji
canadian
freddy
devon

Of all these Freddy is the biggest disappointment. He had decent expectations, prior D1 success, and the hope was that he would be a legit contributor. Every other JUCO Frank has recruited has been a later signee and really there was just hope they would provide some depth. And most of those guys are also bounce around transfers; played at some D1, didn't like it, may or may not have played at a JUCO, ended up at K-State. Awaji and Canada were guys who weren't highly recruited, went JUCO to get better offers, then we took a flier on them and neither really worked out. Lawrence and Watson are similar to these guys as well.

Really, Jones is probably one of Frank's top JUCO recruits and hopefully he can play. Though even he played at 2 different JUCOs, but he seems closer to your traditional JUCO type; likely a D1 player out of HS that didn't make grades and had to go JUCO. Most guys just take the prep route now, though the NCAA in theory has made that a bit more difficult.

But I agree, this recruiting route has not been a very productive one for Frank, but he doesn't seem to be going away from it. He's due for at least one of Jones, Lawrence, or Watson to work out.

[catzacker]

Most, if not all, of the players (juoc or hs) that have gotten Frank’d, when looked at in isolation aren’t terrible losses, however, when you consider that 11 of the 23 players that Frank has brought in since 2007 (at least by my count) have gotten Frank’d, it’s awful and unsustainable.   There’s no other way to look at it.  It’s either awful because he’s going to get a rep for doing this (which will decrease and already limited recruiting pool) or it’s awful because it shows he can’t evaluate talent or keep it. 

[kso_FAN]

Most, if not all, of the players (juoc or hs) that have gotten Frank’d, when looked at in isolation aren’t terrible losses, however, when you consider that 11 of the 23 players that Frank has brought in since 2007 (at least by my count) have gotten Frank’d, it’s awful and unsustainable.   There’s no other way to look at it.  It’s either awful because he’s going to get a rep for doing this (which will decrease and already limited recruiting pool) or it’s awful because it shows he can’t evaluate talent or keep it. 

I agree, Frank being Frank will catch up with Frank if Frank isn't careful.

[Skipper44]

This will hurt even worse if/when Jamar's eye hernia becomes terminal

[jtksu]

Not sure how Devon's absence would be magnified by Jamar's absence.

[CNS]

This will hurt even worse if/when Jamar's eye hernia becomes terminal

 

[sys]

Most, if not all, of the players (juoc or hs) that have gotten Frank’d, when looked at in isolation aren’t terrible losses, however, when you consider that 11 of the 23 players that Frank has brought in since 2007 (at least by my count) have gotten Frank’d, it’s awful and unsustainable.   There’s no other way to look at it.  It’s either awful because he’s going to get a rep for doing this (which will decrease and already limited recruiting pool) or it’s awful because it shows he can’t evaluate talent or keep it. 

i don't agree.  it's awful, but it's entirely sustainable.  you don't need 13 scholarship players to field a team, and recruits have proven over and over again that they could give a rat's ass about a coach's record of running off prior players.  if martin wants to use 1 or 2 scholarships a year to torture jucos, he can do so without having any negative impact on the program.

[jtksu]

I believe Sys is correct here.  Nobody remembers (outside of KSU fans anyway) the Abduls or Maple Leafs but they do remember the CK's and Denis'.  If a dude is looking to resurrect his career, Frank has quite a bit of recruiting material.  Now, if a kid is a traditional juco type, I guess other coaches could use past history against us but coaches run kids off all the time so I'm not sure it would be wise for manny coaches to start slinging those rocks around.

[CNS]

facts:

1. every year new kids enroll in JuCos

2. Every Juco would love to play D1 ball, and many would kill a drifter to do that in the Big 12

[Skipper44]

Not sure how Devon's absence would be magnified by Jamar's absence.

Jamar's departure will vacate the scholarship that could of kept 95 in our lives   

[pissclams]

i think that it just takes longer to fit into frank's world than the 2 years that jucos have.

[Rage Against the McKee]

i think that it just takes longer to fit into frank's world than the 2 years that jucos have.

Will Spradling managed to do it in just one. Maybe Frank should try to find juco Will Spradlings.

[Dr Rick Daris]

i think that it just takes longer to fit into frank's world than the 2 years that jucos have.

Will Spradling managed to do it in just one. Maybe Frank should try to find juco Will Spradlings.

i don't think this new jones guy is going to be a spraduco finding. i'll be somewhat surprised if he even makes the whole season.

[Rage Against the McKee]

i think that it just takes longer to fit into frank's world than the 2 years that jucos have.

Will Spradling managed to do it in just one. Maybe Frank should try to find juco Will Spradlings.

i don't think this new jones guy is going to be a spraduco finding. i'll be somewhat surprised if he even makes the whole season.

I agree completely. He's probably not even as good as 95.

[catzacker]

Most, if not all, of the players (juoc or hs) that have gotten Frank’d, when looked at in isolation aren’t terrible losses, however, when you consider that 11 of the 23 players that Frank has brought in since 2007 (at least by my count) have gotten Frank’d, it’s awful and unsustainable.   There’s no other way to look at it.  It’s either awful because he’s going to get a rep for doing this (which will decrease and already limited recruiting pool) or it’s awful because it shows he can’t evaluate talent or keep it. 

i don't agree.  it's awful, but it's entirely sustainable.  you don't need 13 scholarship players to field a team, and recruits have proven over and over again that they could give a rat's ass about a coach's record of running off prior players.  if martin wants to use 1 or 2 scholarships a year to torture jucos, he can do so without having any negative impact on the program.

i dont' think you can have it both ways.  fine, so there's no "rep" factor.  but he's using 2-3 scholarships a year on average. and each time he has to do this, it will feed on itself (i.e. see 2007 recruiting class that got frank'd which lead to giving scholarships to kids he's not going to have around longer than 2 years...which leads to a large recruiting class like 2007...rinse/repeat).  the recruits he gets are on average a 3*.  Now, if he can get high level guys to mix in with the 3* scrubs he shuffles in and out, then fine, it becomes somewhat sustainable.  I'm skeptical about his ability to do that. 

[jtksu]

i think that it just takes longer to fit into frank's world than the 2 years that jucos have.

Will Spradling managed to do it in just one. Maybe Frank should try to find juco Will Spradlings.

i don't think this new jones guy is going to be a spraduco finding. i'll be somewhat surprised if he even makes the whole season.

I agree completely. He's probably not even as good as 95.

Jones had some pretty damn good coaches interested in him.  At least that's what I keep telling myself.

[sys]

i dont' think you can have it both ways.  fine, so there's no "rep" factor.  but he's using 2-3 scholarships a year on average. and each time he has to do this, it will feed on itself (i.e. see 2007 recruiting class that got frank'd which lead to giving scholarships to kids he's not going to have around longer than 2 years...which leads to a large recruiting class like 2007...rinse/repeat).  the recruits he gets are on average a 3*.  Now, if he can get high level guys to mix in with the 3* scrubs he shuffles in and out, then fine, it becomes somewhat sustainable.  I'm skeptical about his ability to do that. 

i mean, i'm not arguing that it's a good thing, just that it's not unsustainable.  in your scenario above, the downfall would be due to not signing high-level guys, not the wasting 1-2 scholarships on mid-major jucos.

[ChiComCat]

I think the level of JUCO guys we've been getting will continue to come here because they have pretty limited options for major d-1 ball   That's exactly why I would like Frank to knock it off though