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Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« on: August 03, 2011, 10:57:12 AM »
the kid is just a heckuva player.  Hopefully we can keep him at safety. 

Not much else on there to get excited about...Hrebec is so damned slow its laughable.  Slaughter isn't far behind him.  We'll miss Prizell Brown...he was just too light in the britches but he gave us something.

Something that got me excited was watching Tre Walker...at 4:45ish he tracks RG3 mirroring him across the field and then accelerating and dumping him on our sideline.  Then in the Texas segment he's covering a slot receiver...receiver tries to shake him and he sticks on him beautifully.  That kid has a lot of talent.  He's struggling in the running game in the video but much of that has to do w/ no lead in the drawers and no experience but the kid is going to be really good.  That is evident.

Harold can still be a nice player for us.  Dude needs some help and depth with him at his position.



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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2011, 11:01:54 AM »
I like manhatter's descriptions of needing to put on weight  :thumbs:

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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2011, 11:39:07 AM »
I like manhatter's descriptions of needing to put on weight  :thumbs:
I hope he has more!   :D

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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 11:42:16 AM »
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Something that got me excited was watching Tre Walker...at 4:45ish he tracks RG3 mirroring him across the field and then accelerating and dumping him on our sideline.
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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2011, 12:01:36 PM »
While our LBs were maligned (and rightfully so) last season I think lack of quality depth on the DL hurt our defense more than anything last year.  I am holding out hope that some of the guys we've brought in and some of the returnees development has negated that enough to sow marked improvement.  Our offense will be better than adequate as always, if we can have a "middle of the road" defense we should have a solid 7-8 win season.  5-4 in the big 12 would be awesome. 

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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2011, 12:45:48 PM »
well when you watch this video it's readily apparent where we struggled against the run (it stems from multiple levels of problems: DL, LB, and safety) but you can also see where it will be improved this season...that is obvious.

first, we need DL who don't get reached and or sealed consistently.  Getting off blocks is one thing and while that is a premium with your DTs at the very least you won't guys who can fight off against those sealed running lanes because that is where the trouble begins.  That is happening too much in this video.  Prizell Brown, god bless him, was just too light and wore down.  Kibble looks like a first year JC DL.  Guidry isn't terrible but he simply isn't that good of an athlete.

So the running lanes are creating...problems #2 and #3 follow.  You have slow ass Hrebec who can't step into that running lane fast enough and what that creates is another option to bounce for the running back.  A player like A. Brown has the ability to get into that hole instantly and either make the play or create a "bow" in the backfield limiting the speed at which the running back can cut and take another route...that is when other defensive players come in to help finish off the prey.  Cut off the alternative routes by hitting that running lane quick and knifing to the LOS or into the backfield.  The 3rd is watching Hartman (primarily) or Zimmerman.  Zimmo will be a good one but he had no familiarity with that position.  Hartman simply isn't a quick enforcer there.  A couple of big plays stemmed from Hartman either hesitating or simply not getting in there quick enough.  Garrett would more than get there and make a play and that is why I hope we don't have to use him at corner (but that is up to Chapman, Daily, Malone, Evans, and...hopefully, Thomas).
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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 12:06:41 AM »
well when you watch this video it's readily apparent where we struggled against the run (it stems from multiple levels of problems: DL, LB, and safety) but you can also see where it will be improved this season...that is obvious.

first, we need DL who don't get reached and or sealed consistently.  Getting off blocks is one thing and while that is a premium with your DTs at the very least you won't guys who can fight off against those sealed running lanes because that is where the trouble begins.  That is happening too much in this video.  Prizell Brown, god bless him, was just too light and wore down.  Kibble looks like a first year JC DL.  Guidry isn't terrible but he simply isn't that good of an athlete.

So the running lanes are creating...problems #2 and #3 follow.  You have slow ass Hrebec who can't step into that running lane fast enough and what that creates is another option to bounce for the running back.  A player like A. Brown has the ability to get into that hole instantly and either make the play or create a "bow" in the backfield limiting the speed at which the running back can cut and take another route...that is when other defensive players come in to help finish off the prey.  Cut off the alternative routes by hitting that running lane quick and knifing to the LOS or into the backfield.  The 3rd is watching Hartman (primarily) or Zimmerman.  Zimmo will be a good one but he had no familiarity with that position.  Hartman simply isn't a quick enforcer there.  A couple of big plays stemmed from Hartman either hesitating or simply not getting in there quick enough.  Garrett would more than get there and make a play and that is why I hope we don't have to use him at corner (but that is up to Chapman, Daily, Malone, Evans, and...hopefully, Thomas).

Even if Garrett plays corner in a 4-3, there will surely be plenty of nickel sets where Garrett will play closer to the ball.  From those clips, he looked a lot more like a nickel corner than a safety.  I see him as a boundary corner/nickelback.  I don't see him on an island against Broyles, Fuller, and Blackmon, and I don't see him playing centerfield, either.

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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 12:44:33 AM »
the kid is just a heckuva player.  Hopefully we can keep him at safety. 

Not much else on there to get excited about...Hrebec is so damned slow its laughable.  Slaughter isn't far behind him.  We'll miss Prizell Brown...he was just too light in the britches but he gave us something.

Something that got me excited was watching Tre Walker...at 4:45ish he tracks RG3 mirroring him across the field and then accelerating and dumping him on our sideline.  Then in the Texas segment he's covering a slot receiver...receiver tries to shake him and he sticks on him beautifully.  That kid has a lot of talent.  He's struggling in the running game in the video but much of that has to do w/ no lead in the drawers and no experience but the kid is going to be really good.  That is evident.

Harold can still be a nice player for us.  Dude needs some help and depth with him at his position.


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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2011, 02:54:45 PM »
7:56

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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2011, 03:07:20 AM »
yeah, 7:56 is bad.

X's and O's gurus, whose fault is something like that???

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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2011, 03:27:40 AM »
yeah, 7:56 is bad.

X's and O's gurus, whose fault is something like that???

i trust that 'hatter will have a better perspective than mine on this but i'll give it a go

The d-line got absolutely punked and the DT on our right (can't see his number) tried to move way too far to his right/our left and got jammed up, leaving a huge hole to drive a truck through. I really don't understand the scheme of that play (COSH :shakesfist: ) because it looks like the line was slanting to their right yet the LB was coming off the left inside of the LE but outside of the DT, meaning there was likely to be a huge hole between the CU C and RG anyway unless their guys ran left straight into the d-line slanting right. So the play was mumped from the trenches, then it looks like both Slaughter and Tysyn completely whiffed on the zone read fake and anticipated the cutback by RB #5 of CU rather than their QB. When your LB/Safety failsafe doesn't work, you have a completely blown play.

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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 09:27:47 AM »
yeah, 7:56 is bad.

X's and O's gurus, whose fault is something like that???

i trust that 'hatter will have a better perspective than mine on this but i'll give it a go

The d-line got absolutely punked and the DT on our right (can't see his number) tried to move way too far to his right/our left and got jammed up, leaving a huge hole to drive a truck through. I really don't understand the scheme of that play (COSH :shakesfist: ) because it looks like the line was slanting to their right yet the LB was coming off the left inside of the LE but outside of the DT, meaning there was likely to be a huge hole between the CU C and RG anyway unless their guys ran left straight into the d-line slanting right. So the play was effed from the trenches, then it looks like both Slaughter and Tysyn completely whiffed on the zone read fake and anticipated the cutback by RB #5 of CU rather than their QB. When your LB/Safety failsafe doesn't work, you have a completely blown play.

The hole was wide, but the scheme was completely sound if executed correctly. There was a simple twist going on between the NG and Slaughter with the NG crossing the center's face and essentually those two players switching gap responsibilty. Even though the hole widened, it should've been at most a 2-3 yard gain. The biggest error there was by Slaughter, any inside LB is taught to attack a blocker, especially when you have saftey help behind you. If Slaughter just steps up into the hole immediately when he recognizes the the RB as the lead blocker, it immediately would've shrunk the running lane and allowed Hartman to fill and make the tackle. By staying on his heals, not attacking, and then switching directions (all 3-4 yards off the line of scrimmage) he made it impossible for Hartman to get a true run fit. Often times on defense your job is not to make the tackle, but to take on a block correctly allowing your teammate to make a play, in that situation Slaughter did not do that.

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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 11:26:18 AM »
yeah, 7:56 is bad.

X's and O's gurus, whose fault is something like that???

i trust that 'hatter will have a better perspective than mine on this but i'll give it a go

The d-line got absolutely punked and the DT on our right (can't see his number) tried to move way too far to his right/our left and got jammed up, leaving a huge hole to drive a truck through. I really don't understand the scheme of that play (COSH :shakesfist: ) because it looks like the line was slanting to their right yet the LB was coming off the left inside of the LE but outside of the DT, meaning there was likely to be a huge hole between the CU C and RG anyway unless their guys ran left straight into the d-line slanting right. So the play was effed from the trenches, then it looks like both Slaughter and Tysyn completely whiffed on the zone read fake and anticipated the cutback by RB #5 of CU rather than their QB. When your LB/Safety failsafe doesn't work, you have a completely blown play.

The hole was wide, but the scheme was completely sound if executed correctly. There was a simple twist going on between the NG and Slaughter with the NG crossing the center's face and essentually those two players switching gap responsibilty. Even though the hole widened, it should've been at most a 2-3 yard gain. The biggest error there was by Slaughter, any inside LB is taught to attack a blocker, especially when you have saftey help behind you. If Slaughter just steps up into the hole immediately when he recognizes the the RB as the lead blocker, it immediately would've shrunk the running lane and allowed Hartman to fill and make the tackle. By staying on his heals, not attacking, and then switching directions (all 3-4 yards off the line of scrimmage) he made it impossible for Hartman to get a true run fit. Often times on defense your job is not to make the tackle, but to take on a block correctly allowing your teammate to make a play, in that situation Slaughter did not do that.

my response would be that it's "perfect, we have nothing more to add" ala james carville in old school debate contest.

That was a huge problem last year from the LB spot and one that I see as being a big difference between the LBs last year and this year.  The run fits and LBs jumping in there.  Snyder has stated repeatedly that Arthur has good instincts let's just hope he doesn't take many false steps because when that happens you can get the same result. 
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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2011, 12:00:01 PM »
yeah, 7:56 is bad.

X's and O's gurus, whose fault is something like that???

i trust that 'hatter will have a better perspective than mine on this but i'll give it a go

The d-line got absolutely punked and the DT on our right (can't see his number) tried to move way too far to his right/our left and got jammed up, leaving a huge hole to drive a truck through. I really don't understand the scheme of that play (COSH :shakesfist: ) because it looks like the line was slanting to their right yet the LB was coming off the left inside of the LE but outside of the DT, meaning there was likely to be a huge hole between the CU C and RG anyway unless their guys ran left straight into the d-line slanting right. So the play was effed from the trenches, then it looks like both Slaughter and Tysyn completely whiffed on the zone read fake and anticipated the cutback by RB #5 of CU rather than their QB. When your LB/Safety failsafe doesn't work, you have a completely blown play.

The hole was wide, but the scheme was completely sound if executed correctly. There was a simple twist going on between the NG and Slaughter with the NG crossing the center's face and essentually those two players switching gap responsibilty. Even though the hole widened, it should've been at most a 2-3 yard gain. The biggest error there was by Slaughter, any inside LB is taught to attack a blocker, especially when you have saftey help behind you. If Slaughter just steps up into the hole immediately when he recognizes the the RB as the lead blocker, it immediately would've shrunk the running lane and allowed Hartman to fill and make the tackle. By staying on his heals, not attacking, and then switching directions (all 3-4 yards off the line of scrimmage) he made it impossible for Hartman to get a true run fit. Often times on defense your job is not to make the tackle, but to take on a block correctly allowing your teammate to make a play, in that situation Slaughter did not do that.

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Re: Rat Garrett's highlight video from the "film" angle...
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2011, 12:15:24 PM »
yeah, 7:56 is bad.

X's and O's gurus, whose fault is something like that???

i trust that 'hatter will have a better perspective than mine on this but i'll give it a go

The d-line got absolutely punked and the DT on our right (can't see his number) tried to move way too far to his right/our left and got jammed up, leaving a huge hole to drive a truck through. I really don't understand the scheme of that play (COSH :shakesfist: ) because it looks like the line was slanting to their right yet the LB was coming off the left inside of the LE but outside of the DT, meaning there was likely to be a huge hole between the CU C and RG anyway unless their guys ran left straight into the d-line slanting right. So the play was effed from the trenches, then it looks like both Slaughter and Tysyn completely whiffed on the zone read fake and anticipated the cutback by RB #5 of CU rather than their QB. When your LB/Safety failsafe doesn't work, you have a completely blown play.

The hole was wide, but the scheme was completely sound if executed correctly. There was a simple twist going on between the NG and Slaughter with the NG crossing the center's face and essentually those two players switching gap responsibilty. Even though the hole widened, it should've been at most a 2-3 yard gain. The biggest error there was by Slaughter, any inside LB is taught to attack a blocker, especially when you have saftey help behind you. If Slaughter just steps up into the hole immediately when he recognizes the the RB as the lead blocker, it immediately would've shrunk the running lane and allowed Hartman to fill and make the tackle. By staying on his heals, not attacking, and then switching directions (all 3-4 yards off the line of scrimmage) he made it impossible for Hartman to get a true run fit. Often times on defense your job is not to make the tackle, but to take on a block correctly allowing your teammate to make a play, in that situation Slaughter did not do that.

 :love:

i love this sort of thing and wish i was better at it.

You gotta leave this kind of high level football X & O talk to the pros.