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DQ12 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 13, 2011, 03:03:20 PM »

'Hatter, any W-L predictions for this season?

TY

jtksu · « **Reply #26 on:** July 13, 2011, 03:04:16 PM »

I guess I forgot how we suddenly got more players this year. Why didn't Snyder think about this last year?

The Manhatter · « **Reply #27 on:** July 13, 2011, 03:10:33 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 13, 2011, 03:04:16 PM

I guess I forgot how we suddenly got more players this year. Why didn't Snyder think about this last year?

well let's revisit that.

If you have a previous f'n head coach who signs 20 jcs in back to back seasons then he's going to have a TON of kids leaving the program in back to back classes now won't he? Scholarship limitations of 25 per year. It's not that he didn't want more bodies...he simply couldn't get more bodies even if he wanted them. He had a jc kid that didn't make it..a jc kid that got hurt, etc.

Most KSU fans have been aware of the issue Prince left behind. It was going to take several years to get the numbers up.

It doesn't help in other places, like corner, when your top kid declares early unexpectedly and two others are ineligible. If you can only carry about 70 scholarships for a few years your numbers are going to be thin in a few areas and injuries and ineligibles are going to hurt you.

The Manhatter · « **Reply #28 on:** July 13, 2011, 03:11:36 PM »

Quote from: Dlew12 on July 13, 2011, 03:03:20 PM

'Hatter, any W-L predictions for this season?

TY

I think we'll be 7-5...best case 8-4. I know Phil Steele's best case was 9-3 but I really can't see it.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #29 on:** July 13, 2011, 03:16:22 PM »

Quote from: The Manhatter on July 13, 2011, 03:11:36 PM

Quote from: Dlew12 on July 13, 2011, 03:03:20 PM
'Hatter, any W-L predictions for this season?

TY

I think we'll be 7-5...best case 8-4. I know Phil Steele's best case was 9-3 but I really can't see it.

IMO, based upon the tougher schedule this year, 7-5 would show improvement. 6-6 would show stagnation. I'm with you in thinking that 7-5 should be the expectation. 6-6 seems more likely to me, though. 5-7 and Snyder should be fired.

steve dave · « **Reply #30 on:** July 13, 2011, 03:17:43 PM »

8-4 would be dreamy. I am feeling a giddy 5-2 start turning into a depressing 6-6 end.

steve dave · « **Reply #31 on:** July 13, 2011, 03:19:17 PM »

Which reminds me, where is everyone going on vacation from 10/29 to 11/19? I'm feeling mexico. one last hard tan before winter sets in.

DQ12 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 13, 2011, 03:21:05 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on July 13, 2011, 03:17:43 PM

8-4 would be dreamy. I am feeling a giddy 5-2 start turning into a depressing 6-6 end.

7-0 start.

Count on it.*
maybe!

jtksu · « **Reply #33 on:** July 13, 2011, 03:33:27 PM »

So we didn't have 85 dudes on scholarship last season?

The Manhatter · « **Reply #34 on:** July 13, 2011, 03:41:27 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 13, 2011, 03:33:27 PM

So we didn't have 85 dudes on scholarship last season?

not even close to it. We won't be at 85 this year but Snyder usually keeps it a few below 85 to reward walk-ons or needs that pop up (those seem to be a lot of places in recent years).

jtksu · « **Reply #35 on:** July 13, 2011, 03:54:39 PM »

So, we just had a bunch of open scholarships? Why not use them to pay for walk-ons, at least for a year? Seems pretty silly not to. How many schollies did we use last year?

The Manhatter · « **Reply #36 on:** July 13, 2011, 04:02:23 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 13, 2011, 03:54:39 PM

So, we just had a bunch of open scholarships? Why not use them to pay for walk-ons, at least for a year? Seems pretty silly not to. How many schollies did we use last year?

I'm sure a few were rewarded for a year. but there are limits...I know there is something in the NCAA about those counting towards the 25...not certain how it works. but some of these kids are not big 12 material. it's not like eric diesel from St. Mary's or wherever was going to stone syracuse. capiche?

CHONGS · « **Reply #37 on:** July 13, 2011, 04:08:16 PM »

anything less than 4 conference wins is no good and should not be sugarcoated

jtksu · « **Reply #38 on:** July 13, 2011, 04:09:27 PM »

Who cares if they were Big 12 caliber players? If you think enough of a kid to give him a spot on your team, he must add something. Rather than just have vacant ships, why not pay for Joe Blow's education for a year? It's not like having one more kid in a lecture hall actually costs the school anything...

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #39 on:** July 13, 2011, 04:11:18 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 13, 2011, 04:09:27 PM

Who cares if they were Big 12 caliber players? If you think enough of a kid to give him a spot on your team, he must add something. Rather than just have vacant ships, why not pay for Joe Blow's education for a year? It's not like having one more kid in a lecture hall actually costs the school anything...

Isn't that the same thing as giving him a scholarship? I can't imagine the NCAA allowing that.

BRULL · « **Reply #40 on:** July 13, 2011, 04:11:50 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 13, 2011, 03:54:39 PM

So, we just had a bunch of open scholarships? Why not use them to pay for walk-ons, at least for a year? Seems pretty silly not to. How many schollies did we use last year?

My best guess, we will have 76 players on scholarship when fall camp starts. This is without knowing if any w/o was awarded a ride. OB has usually operated with 80 - 82 in years past. Like Hatter said, he likes keeping a few in his pocket.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #41 on:** July 13, 2011, 04:12:23 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 13, 2011, 04:09:27 PM

Who cares if they were Big 12 caliber players? If you think enough of a kid to give him a spot on your team, he must add something. Rather than just have vacant ships, why not pay for Joe Blow's education for a year? It's not like having one more kid in a lecture hall actually costs the school anything...

Why pay someone for work they're willing to do for free?

jtksu · « **Reply #42 on:** July 13, 2011, 04:13:48 PM »

The walkons work harder if you hold a carrot in front of then.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #43 on:** July 13, 2011, 05:13:53 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on July 13, 2011, 03:19:17 PM

Which reminds me, where is everyone going on vacation from 10/29 to 11/19? I'm feeling mexico. one last hard tan before winter sets in.

SXM

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #44 on:** July 13, 2011, 05:23:08 PM »

Quote from: The Manhatter on July 13, 2011, 01:21:21 PM

The issue with the analysis defensively is that it fails miserably to tackle the issues of depth in terms of available players. Give Snyder a LOT of bodies to work with on the DL and he'll have a decent one every time. A corpse would have been better than what we had at RDE and many corpses for depth would have been better than last year.

How many years of eligibility does Austin Box have left?

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #45 on:** July 13, 2011, 05:39:32 PM »

Quote from: Emo EMAW on July 13, 2011, 05:23:08 PM

Quote from: The Manhatter on July 13, 2011, 01:21:21 PM
The issue with the analysis defensively is that it fails miserably to tackle the issues of depth in terms of available players. Give Snyder a LOT of bodies to work with on the DL and he'll have a decent one every time. A corpse would have been better than what we had at RDE and many corpses for depth would have been better than last year.

How many years of eligibility does Austin Box have left?

Would zombie Austin Box > Hrebec?

wetwillie · « **Reply #46 on:** July 13, 2011, 05:48:06 PM »

Quote from: Limestone on July 13, 2011, 05:39:32 PM

Quote from: Emo EMAW on July 13, 2011, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: The Manhatter on July 13, 2011, 01:21:21 PM
The issue with the analysis defensively is that it fails miserably to tackle the issues of depth in terms of available players. Give Snyder a LOT of bodies to work with on the DL and he'll have a decent one every time. A corpse would have been better than what we had at RDE and many corpses for depth would have been better than last year.

How many years of eligibility does Austin Box have left?

Would zombie Austin Box > Hrebec?

Would be in pretty good position to make ankle diving type tackles

kougar24 · « **Reply #47 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:07:34 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 13, 2011, 04:13:48 PM

The walkons work harder if you hold a carrot in front of then.

Wait, so you actually believe awarding some walk-ons scholarships would have made them better football players?

jtksu · « **Reply #48 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:37:00 PM »

Yeah, I do. Not that they would make an actual contribution on the field but that they would practice harder against the guys who do matter. Why do you think walk-ons are even kept around?

wetwillie · « **Reply #49 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:40:46 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 13, 2011, 06:37:00 PM

Yeah, I do. Not that they would make an actual contribution on the field but that they would practice harder against the guys who do matter. Why do you think walk-ons are even kept around?

Walkons are a great way to fill up some roster space with hard working white boys that do things the right way.